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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: remote start, 2004 grand prix

Posted By: amsanders843
Subject: remote start, 2004 grand prix
Date Posted: November 22, 2011 at 2:08 PM

Good evening, I just finished installing my remote start/alarm system in my 2004 grand prix. I used the bmw nitro 433 system with the 556U bypass module. EVERYTHING works fine except for remote starting the car. The alarm, door locks, trunk pop, etc all work accordingly. When I try to RS the car, I hear the bypass module clicking, nothing happens, and the whole system stops working. Then I have to unhook my neg batt cable n rehook it to get it workin again. I have the starter kill (n/c prewired relay) wired that 85 GWR, 86 ign12V, 30 starter side, 87a key side. Ive tested all of my wires, all carry the charge they're suppose to, to and from the system. Id really appreciate it if someone would help. I know the rs system isn't a usually used one such as viper, but that shouldn't b an issue. I can provide pics, etc to assist!!



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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 22, 2011 at 4:49 PM
Sorry but I know nothing about either the car or the R/S except that 85 on that relay should be GWA* not GWR, the GWR should go to the by-pass blue wire.
*GWA = Ground whilst armed, GWR = Ground whilst running A.K.A. status output.

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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 22, 2011 at 7:00 PM

Your wiring on that external relay looks like Anti-Grind not Starter Kill. 

Being as you cut the Starter wire and inserted the relay, it now matters where you
connect the BMW 433 Violet Starter Output wire.  It should be either to Pin 87 or
on the Pin 30 side of the cut starter wire.

      Grand Prix                                                                                                        BMX 433  Thick IGN wires
12volts          red (50A)  +        back of fuse box, passenger dash
Starter           yellow  +             ignition harness                                               Purple 
Ignition          pink  +                ignition harness                                                Pink
Accessory     brown  +            ignition harness                                               Orange
 
The BMW 433 Blue/White wire should go to the 556UW Blue (-) Status Input.  If you
connect the Blue/White wire to more than one place, diode isolate the connections.



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Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 23, 2011 at 5:06 PM

I switched the 30pin to the key side and 87a to starter side. connected the purple starter wire to the starter side 87a; 86 ign 12V, 85 GWA wire from r/s..these are all of my connections

BMW---->Car
purple wire----starter side pin 87a
orange wire----brown acc wire ign switch
red wire----WHITE/ black constant 12V ign switch
pink wire----pink ign wire ign switch
pink/white wire----pink ign wire BCM
PURPLE / white wire----tach wire at PCM, confirmed tach reading
BLACK/ white wire----park break switch wire BCM
blue/white wire----blue wire 556U

GREEN/ black wire----purple fac disarm wire
GREEN / WHITE wire----lt green fac arm wire
brown wire----white brake wire
yellow wire----(2nd)pink ign wire BCM
green wire----diode isolated door trigger wires BCM

orange wire----87a starterkill/antigrind relay
blue wire----blue pssnger unlock wire
BLACK/ white wire----tapped into green door trig wire on r/s
WHITE/ black wire----relayed to trunk release wire

brown wire---red siren wire
white wire----parking lights wire
door wires--driver door lock/unlock wires

all power wires were connected, all ground wires were properly grounded





Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 23, 2011 at 6:02 PM

BMW---->Car
purple wire----starter side pin 87a
orange wire----brown acc wire ign switch
red wire----WHITE/ black constant 12V ign switch
pink wire----pink ign wire ign switch
pink/white wire----pink ign wire BCM                          *******  Not Necessary
PURPLE / white wire----tach wire at PCM, confirmed tach reading
BLACK/ white wire----park break switch wire BCM
blue/white wire----blue wire 556U

GREEN/ black wire----purple fac disarm wire
GREEN / WHITE wire----lt green fac arm wire
brown wire----white brake wire
yellow wire----(2nd)pink ign wire BCM                         ******  Not Necessary
green wire----diode isolated door trigger wires BCM

orange wire----87a starterkill/antigrind relay                *****  Typo - Should be Pin 85 as noted above?
blue wire----blue pssnger unlock wire
BLACK/ white wire----tapped into green door trig wire on r/s
WHITE/ black wire----relayed to trunk release wire

brown wire---red siren wire
white wire----parking lights wire                            **** Selectable + / - output
door wires--driver door lock/unlock wires

Here is a note from DEI :
Keysense       lt. green (required)  (-)          ignition harness or BCM, conn. C1, pin 40
Bulldog, Omega and Audiovox don't say Keysense is required but if you are having issues,
try connecting it to the Blue/White GWR wire also.  Use 1N400x diodes inline to isolate the two
wires ( 556UW and Keysense ) bands toward the BMWX 433.



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Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 24, 2011 at 12:49 AM
yes that was a typo, its connected to 85. So let me get this straight; I should solder the green keysense wire from the 556u to the lt green keysense wire at the ign switch? which do i run a diode off towards the blue/white bypass output wire, both?




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 24, 2011 at 3:03 AM

A diagram is worth a thousand words  :

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Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 24, 2011 at 3:14 AM
Being that my car has a negative keysense, shouldnt the diode coming from the ignition switch be the other way around? And thanks a lot man for helping me out. I'm going to dig back into it tomorrow to see if this fixes the problem.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 24, 2011 at 4:10 AM
The purpose of the diode is to prevent the (-) Keysense signal generated from inserting a key into the ignition cylinder from feeding back to the 556UW bypass module and turning it on during a normal key start-up.  The diode blocks this signal.  You only want the BMWX 433 GWR output to signal the 556UX and fool the vehicle into thinking a key is inserted during an actual remote start.

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Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 24, 2011 at 4:38 AM
oh okay. well isnt that just like wiring the keysense wire of the 556u to the car keysense wire? the 556u manual says doing this will achieve the same goal, canceling out the 556u when a key is inserted in the ign switch.




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 24, 2011 at 7:21 AM

That Green wire on the 556UW is an Input only.  It is used to sense ( watch ) for the
actual Keysense signal generated when a key is inserted into the ignition and turn off
the 556UW antenna output.  Some vehicles don't like to "see" two transponder keys at the
same time.  Unfortunately, it is not an Output that could be used to fool the vehicle into
thinking a key was inserted as DEI claims is needed. 

Here is the note from DEI :
Keysense       lt. green (required)  (-)          ignition harness or BCM, conn. C1, pin 40
 
Bulldog, Omega and Audiovox don't say Keysense is required so you might try the install without
this Keysense connection.  Watch for service or security lights during remote start or after key
takeover.



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Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 26, 2011 at 1:21 AM
Okay I've done what you told me. Quick question..I just tested all wires linked to the remote start module (thick gauges). When I turn the key to the ign on position, the voltage coming to it across the red main power wire drops from 11.8V to about 10.8V; could this be an issue, being its not 12V? That same 10.8V is also coming out of the pink ign wire from the module to the car ign wire




Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 26, 2011 at 1:56 AM
And also, when I crank the car with the key, the purple starter wire reads around 10.6V n drops to 0, but when I try to use the remote start no voltage comes across is




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 26, 2011 at 6:29 AM

Could be a bad BMWX 433 brain.  Not sure, never used one and can't find the install manual anywhere.  Is there any sort of programming/jumper/switch for Tach Mode operation?  Any Tach Learn process prior to actual remote starter use?

What voltage reading do you get right at the battery?  Just measured two vehicles ( both less than two years old ) and got 12.15V and 12.44V at the battery.

Assuming the car works fine / normally with the key.  Also assuming the Keyless entry portion of the BMWX433 works (lock, unlock, arm, disarm, trunk release, parking lights & siren). 

Think I would try a few things. 

Verify that the Black Ground wire from the BMWX 433 is securely connected to a good chassis ground point.

Check the BMWX433 satellite relays ( ACC, IGN, Start ) for any loose / poor connections.

Connect both the Red 15 Amp and Red 30 Amp fused wires from the BMWX433 to the RED +12V constant wire at back of the fusebox under the passenger dash.

Remove the Starter Kill / Anti-Grind relay from the circuit.  Re-connect the G.P.'s cut Yellow starter wire and then connect the BMWX433's thick Purple wire to this Yellow wire.



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Posted By: amsanders843
Date Posted: November 28, 2011 at 12:24 PM

it says to verify the tach signal, start vehicle with key. press and release valet switch 5 times within 10 sec. 6 chirps + 6 flashes indicates tach signal is picked up. Ive done this and i get the 6 flashes, i ran the tach directly off the coil by the engine. thinking about running it off the PCM, however, because the wire can be tucked away much easier. The battery gives me a read of around 11.8V, im going to let an auto shop charge it for me today. As i said before, the locks, alarm, flash lights, trunk pop all work fine. The ground wires are grounded to the same metal frame as the factory ground wires on the bolts that werent already occupied. I've tested the heavy gauge harness wires for the correct voltages with key positions, those are fine. I disconnected the starter relay and reconnected the starter wire, car starts fine with key. I need to figure out how to get to the back of the passenger fuse box. When i get my battery back, ill go about trying the remote start again. If i disconnect the bypass module completely, leave the key in the ign off position, should the remote start activate? The r/s has a loop wire dealing with auto or manual trans..i accidently cut it which is for manual, but i soldered it back together. i hope that's not causing the issue






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