2006 envoy denali remote start problem

Hello experts. I have installed an Autopage C3RS665-2W into a 2006 GMC Envoy Denali which has the V8 engine and I cannot get the remote start to work. I can't even get the system to attempt a start. I am using a iDatalink ADS-ALSL GM module in which I have made sure to update with the latest firmware. I have it hooked up and programed for 2-way communication except for the Tach signal which I have sourced from the instrument cluster since that isn't available via the data bus on the V8 engines. The lock, unlock and door open notifications are all working properly. The remote start however, does not even attempt to work and I need some ideas on what to check. When I push the button to remote start the remote just beeps 3 times and then nothing happens, I am not even hearing the relays click on the unit. I have went through the programming to set it to Tach learning mode, but I have not been able to get the system into the tach learning mode. I have tried dozens of times and after I push the valet button 11 times and hold in nothing ever happens. I would really appreciate any ideas you can give me to resolve this problem.

If the relays aren't clicking then there is most likely a shut down being activated. I would check your brake wire connection and make sure it is 12v only when the brake pedal is pressed. Also, I'm not familiar with that unit, but is there a neutral safety shutdown that needs to be ground?

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

After a quick google search for the install manual, what do you have the BLACK/ white wire from the H7 connector attached to? That should see a ground in order to start. If the vehicle has a factory neutral safety start (will not start in gear.. which it should) then you can either ground this wire or ground it through a switch.

And finally, if that is connected properly, also check your hood pin input to make sure you are only getting a ground signal when the hood is open (open circuit when hood is closed)

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Oh man call me stupid, but I bet you are right. I hope that's all I did wrong. I believe I neglected to hook that one up thinking the iDatalink took care of it.

Thanks a lot for the suggestion I'll check that out as soon as I can.

Thanks a lot for pointing out my mistake. I did neglect to hook up the Park/neutral safety wire. I also ended up needing to use the voltage method for detecting start which is fine. For some reason I could not get the Autopage unit into the Tach learning mode. After cycling the key and pressing the valet butting the required amount of times and holding it nothing would ever happen... No big deal since it is working now without using the tach.

Other than the over-rev protection there really is no need for the tach on that vehicle. The drop in acc. tells the bcm to start and the bcm takes over from there. The remote start doesn't actually crank the starter. Did you connect the starter wire?

As far as programming the tach... did you have the engine running at all? And what did you connect the tach wire to?

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Kenny, isn't "Hello Experts" so much nicer than "So I"?

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

that it is... and its nice to have someone who actually takes your suggestions and puts them to use. Instead of just, "No, that can't be it because ____"

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Yes and the worst cases are those who don't even listen, the post goes around the houses, comes back to what you suggested 3 pages ago and I want to scream pay attention you moron! And sometimes do which is why I've twice been "demoted" from Platinum

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

that makes me winder where my 4 or 5 stars are.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Yes Ted very true and you do have great knowledge which you dispense without my cynicism/sarcasm.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

offroadzj wrote:

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Other than the over-rev protection there really is no need for the tach on that vehicle. The drop in acc. tells the bcm to start and the bcm takes over from there. The remote start doesn't actually crank the starter. Did you connect the starter wire?

As far as programming the tach... did you have the engine running at all? And what did you connect the tach wire to?

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Sorry I never have responded back. Since I got it working I haven't been checking back and I didn't have it set to send me e-mails. It's been working fine in the voltage sensing mode so I don't care about hooking up the tach anymore. Just for the sake of answering your question though hooked to a white wire going into the instrument cluster that I believe to be a tach signal. I used the same wire on my 2003 Silverado and it works fine. The big problem I was having was that I could not even get the remote start module to go into the programing mode. I followed the directions a bunch of times and it would go into every other mode in the manual, but not the tach programing. Had I been able to get it into the right mode I would have been able to follow the rest of the setup directions, which did included starting the engine. Oh well not big deal since I don't need it anymore. :)

I do however have a few annoying issues with this system I'm wondering about though.

The horn doesn't honk to verify the doors are locked on a second lock command.

When a remote start is commanded it is suppose to lock the doors automatically and that isn't happening.

I also don't think the parking lights are flashing when the are suppose to.

I believe all of these things are suppose to be controlled via the idatlink module, but for some reason it doesn't seem to be working properly. It does lock, unlock and start when commanded as it should though. I think I'm going to try and re-flash the firmware to the module and see if that helps. That is if I can get into the flashing software since they want you to have a business in order to login to the site and flash modules.

Looking at idatalink's site, I don't see that module listed for the 2006 Envoy or Envoy XL (Denali is not listed but it should not matter). It does however list the ADS-DLSL GM1. However the features list for that module does not contain parking lights or horn.

As far as the locking after starting, that may be a programming option in the starter. I know on the newer DEI they call it the starter safelock. It is defaulted to Off. You need to turn it on for the doors to lock after starting.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

The idatalink does not do horn or parking lights, you need to wire those to the vehicle. So your horn isnt going to honk if it isn't connected to the vehicle. The parking lights need to be wired directly to the vehicle also ( Autopage default is to have them come on solid when remote start. you can program to flash).As far as I know the doors should lock upon remote starting, this can be turned off with programming also. If you look at install #3 in the idatalink manual it shows no connection for park lights and horn from R/S to bypass. These are usually not done through data bus in most vehicles anyway. I use only Autopage remote starters and have done about 15 of them in the last 3 months as a side job.

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offroadzj wrote:

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Looking at idatalink's site, I don't see that module listed for the 2006 Envoy or Envoy XL (Denali is not listed but it should not matter). It does however list the ADS-DLSL GM1. However the features list for that module does not contain parking lights or horn.

As far as the locking after starting, that may be a programming option in the starter. I know on the newer DEI they call it the starter safelock. It is defaulted to Off. You need to turn it on for the doors to lock after starting.

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The ADS-ALSL GM is their all-in-one module so with the correct firmware loaded it does the same as the ADS-DLSL GM1.

I'll have to double check the remote start programming. I think the Autopage is suppose to be set to lock the doors by default, but I may have read it wrong or messed it up trying to get things to work early on.

jstruckman wrote:

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The idatalink does not do horn or parking lights, you need to wire those to the vehicle. So your horn isnt going to honk if it isn't connected to the vehicle. The parking lights need to be wired directly to the vehicle also ( Autopage default is to have them come on solid when remote start. you can program to flash).As far as I know the doors should lock upon remote starting, this can be turned off with programming also. If you look at install #3 in the idatalink manual it shows no connection for park lights and horn from R/S to bypass. These are usually not done through data bus in most vehicles anyway. I use only Autopage remote starters and have done about 15 of them in the last 3 months as a side job.

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Darn. This is the first time I have used idatlink. I understand about the horn as it looks like none of the modules do that, but I can't believe it won't do the parking lights through the data bus. I'm pretty sure the Fortin module is capable of that. What's funny about the parking lights on it now is they do flash when doing an unlock, but that seems to be the only time they ever do anything. The only reason I picked the idatlink over Fortin is my wife like the 2 step door unlock feature (which I actually can't stand since it doesn't really work like the factory). I'll have to double check the Autopage programing on the door lock when starting. I may have just inadvertently changed that feature.

Guess I'll be hooking up a few more wires when I have time. Thanks for the info!

I just ran out and checked the programing on the Autopage unit. The doors not locking with a remote start was not programmed like I thought I had it, so I fixed that.

While I was at it I took a better look over some of the other features and notice one about the door locks with ignition control that has been annoying me so I disabled that. The vehicle takes care of the locking and unlock fine on it's own without help from the remote start unit. :)

I also notice there is a 2 step unlock program mode in the remote start unit. Hopefully changing that setting will make the 2 step unlock work better. It seemed to be more responsive in my short test than just relying on the interface module to deal with it.

After I get the horn and parking light wires hooked up I'll be set! Thanks again for the input and pointing me in the right direction. I think this is the 5th install I've done on various vehicles I've owned and it seems to be getting more complicated every time. I guess that's the way it goes. Glad you guys are here to help me out.