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Hi,

I've searched around but haven't found anything on the topic.

I purchased a 7351v remote as according to the Viper website, it's compatible with my Viper 5701 alarm system.

However when I try and pair it, it keeps failing. I can successfully delete all remotes and re-pair my other remote (7251v) however still no luck on the 7351v.

Has anyone actually paired a 7351v to a 5701, and if so did you have to do anything different to normally pairing?

The 7351v is fully charged, and the system mode is set to "SEC"

Thanks in advance

The Viper web site says that the 7351v will work with units with a DATE CODE of 10D and up.

https://www.viper.com/ShopViperProducts/ItemDetail.aspx?ItemCode=7351V Link to determining the date code.

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Thanks for that,

My current remote is the 7251v, which according to the Viper website, is only compatible with 10D models and above as well.

So my Viper alarm is definately 10D or later.

Hello, I know you posted your question some time ago but i am interested in knowing if you got your 7351v remote to work with the 5701v alarm. I have the same issue here and i was told it supposed to work. I read somewhere else that you have to change the anttena in order for it work. Any ideas?? Anyone?? Thanks

The antenna changed to a DEI 548T LED 2Way IVU GEN2 RCVR for the 10D date code. So if you want to use the 7351LC with the 5701 you would need to replace the antenna with the GEN2 one, otherwise The 6711t Antenna for 5901 and 5902 is also supposed to work but are rare to find for cheap!

You also need to verify that 4 remotes haven't been paired to the 5701 if so you will need to delete all the remotes from memory to add new remotes.

Also the DEI 548T LED 2Way IVU GEN2 RCVR is a 4 pin antenna if you have the 6 pin antenna (with valet and led built in) you would either have to use a seperate valet and led if the main unit has seperate plugs for them. Otherwise you would need to get a Gen2 6211t.

The 6211t antenna has to have a date code of 10/D to work with the 7351 remotes the date code of the CPU dosen't matter as the antenna controls the remote and communicates to the CPU through DATA! Only the remote ID is stored in the CPU.

To the 5701 can use the 7351v remote if we upgrade the antennae to the 6211T (10D). Which this basically makes the 5701 a 5901. But I'm having the same problem as the original poster (Deepulse).

I've swapped out the antenna (not the wires because they look the same) 1) opened door turn key to on
2) Press/release then press and hold the control button
3) Alarm chirps once - blue light flashes
4) With remote in pairing mode I hit the lock button

FAILURE... remote makes a mean noise and after about three attempts the alarm itself does a quick siren and i have to start over.

I can always put the old antenna back up and the old remote works fine... wierd

please help me somebody...

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If pairing fails you need to check a few things below

Things to verify,
1. green wire-H1/8 or violet-H1/6 is connected.
2. Heavy guage pink is hooked up to car ignition (Viper 5701 H3/1)
3. Delete all remotes, Then attempt pairing.
4. If installed by a dealer verify the unit is not bitwriter bit locked. (The learn routine may be locked if previously programmed using the Bitwriter®. If the siren generates one long chirp when attempting to program the unit, the learn routine is locked and must be unlocked using the Bitwriter® before proceeding.)
5. The valet/program button must continue to be held after the siren chirp and led flash.
6. Alway's enter pairing mode with the remote first then the main brain unit.
7. Verify the correct (System type) mode of the 7351 is set to match your system ie (Remote start & Security for the 5701) not (Remote start).

I have never seen any changes to the antenna wires color order in the connectors but you can just check and make sure the order hasn't changed at either end. Especially the green and blue wires as those are the send and receive wires.

[QUOTE=rodeolove] To the 5701 can use the 7351v remote if we upgrade the antennae to the 6211T (10D). Which this basically makes the 5701 a 5901.QUOTE]

Correction the the 6211t doesn't make the 5701 a 5901, the 6211t has a Gen 1 IVU and GEN 2 IVU.
To make the 5701 a 5901 requires the 6711t antenna/receiver and uses the 7752 or Hd 7941 7652 remotes.

so you are saying that the unit of 7351v remote wont work with a 5701 brain with an upgraded antennae 6711t?

i am having an issues with my alarm. i have 5701 and did purchased the 7351v remote and did upgrade my antennae as well to 6711t. pls shed some light. thanks

cityvan180 wrote:

so you are saying that the unit of 7351v remote wont work with a 5701 brain with an upgraded antennae 6711t?

No, you need a 6211t with a date code of 10D or newer for the LC3 7351v. They may be a newer version of the 6211t that will work for both types of remotes but haven't found out a Date code or part number to verify it yet.

The LC3 7351v LE (2500 Ft.)remote is a non SST remote that works with the 6211t antenna.

The LC3 7752v is the SST version (1 mile range) as well as the HD 7941v Remote that works with the 6711T antenna.

Substituting the letter at the end of these remote models will get you the same remote different case.

V = Viper

P = Python

X = Clifford

lurch228 wrote:

If pairing fails you need to check a few things below

Things to verify,

3. Delete all remotes, Then attempt pairing.
7. Verify the correct (System type) mode of the 7351 is set to match your system ie (Remote start & Security for the 5701) not (Remote start).

3. is there anyway to delete them besides using a bitwriter?
7. how can i verify this? i have the first gen 5701 susan g komen version (pink one). if that matters

long story making it short.

my 5701 system both remotes went to doodie. did my research found the 7351v says it is compatible with 5701. searched google and i found this forum talking about the alarm. found that it needs an upgraded antennae 6711t to make it work, so i purchased it. now i am stucked and i cant pair it up to my existing alarm 5701.

lurch228. i will try those other suggestion you posted. but if you know soemething pls reply back thanks

Do you know the date code of your 5701? It can be found on the original antenna or the main unit it's self.

cityvan180 wrote:

3. is there anyway to delete them besides using a bitwriter?
7. how can i verify this? i have the first gen 5701 susan g komen version (pink one). if that matters

long story making it short.

my 5701 system both remotes went to doodie. did my research found the 7351v says it is compatible with 5701. searched google and i found this forum talking about the alarm. found that it needs an upgraded antennae 6711t to make it work, so i purchased it. now i am stucked and i cant pair it up to my existing alarm 5701.

lurch228. i will try those other suggestion you posted. but if you know soemething pls reply back thanks

A functioning remote is needed to delete all remotes without a bitwriter.

As I don't own or have a 7351v remote to test with the 6711t antenna.
Others say the 6711t is supposed to work but has not been verified that I know of with the 7351v remote. The 7351v is verified to work with a 6211t antenna that is date code of 10D or newer.

With the 6711t antenna you have you can use a 7652v/p/x, 7752v/p/x, and 7941v/p/x.

When I upgraded the Viper 5601 from the 6111t to the 6711t for the LC3 remotes. The LC3 7752v would not pair, until I paired a 7652v to the 6711t and then deleted all remotes and then it paired the LC3 7752v the first time with out a problem.

So to upgrade to the LC3 7752v with a 5601 you need to delete all remotes and start fresh with the 6711t antenna to get the LC3 remote to pair successfully.

This is from Viper, That the 7351v/p/x works with these Vipers listed.

System Model / Number / System Part Number / Date Code

3203        3203V        All

5204        5204V        All

4204        4204V        All

5701        5202V        10D-up

5301        4202V        10D-up

3303        3303V        All

i did talked someone from viper via facebook. tried to seek extra help.

Viper: We just noticed that you have the pink edition of the 5701. The 7351V remote will only program to the newer version of the 5701 (the one with an 18-pin main harness). The pink edition has not been manufactured since 2010 so it is not compatible.

Me: Even if you changed the antenna to 6711t?

Viper: The 6711T is only for SST remotes. The 7351V is not an SST remote. However, if you were to swap out the antenna to a 6711T you could use a 7752V remote which looks just like a 7351V but has 1 mile range.

me: I checked 3303v. It uses 7351v remote and uses same antennae as a 5701? So it really the brain not compatible at all?

Viper: That is correct.

me: So if those 2 works. Then the main brain of my alarm is not exactly compatible with 7351v remote? Even if i upgrade my antennae?

Viper: It depends on the production date. There was a cutoff in 2010 where the 5701 brain became compatible. However, the pink edition stopped production prior to that and was never compatible with the 7351v.

it sucks though. i already purchased my remote 7351v and antennae 6711t. i am running of options. but i really need my alarm get back up and running.

The production date is a general date code for the units shipped and the antenna with a pre 10D remote won't work, but the brain will work with a antenna that is 10D or newer. As they probally didn't test this out they are just covering their backsides. I have told a few people with pre 10D units (non-pink remotes) to update the antenna to a 10D or later and they have replied back that it worked with the 7351.

If they say that a 6711t will work with a 7752 with your brain then the 10D or later 6211T should work with the 7351 and your brain.

You already have the remote so you have 2 options find a 6211t antenna and test for youself, or sell the 7351 and buy a 7752 to work with your 6711t you have. I got my last 6211t for free and the last 6711t for $20 shipped from ebay. You can use a 6211t from any alarm only, remote start or alarm remote start combo that has the 10D or later date code from any of these brands viper, python, clifford. Use this page to cross reference any unit that uses a 7251 remote:Transcross
Then let the hunt begin for a used or refurbished complete unit to swap the antenna and keep for a spare give as a gift or resell as the older date code antenna will work with the unit you buy with out any programming needed. Will just need some new 3M doubled side tape which any autoparts store will have one for sure is advanceautoparts.

I'm suprised they admitted that the 6711t will work with your pre 10D date code unit, as they wan't you to buy a new system not buy cheap upgrades.

i initially tried to pair up the 7351v remote to my original unit with original antennae (6211t) still no go. that prompt me that if i went upgrade to 6711t it will work.

where can i verify about the 10d thing? sry i got lost on that part

The 6211t antenna/receiver should have a white sticker on the thin part on the sticky side towards the windsheild that reads OK/10D or later for the 7351 to work with your system.

The date code reads as 10 for the year 2010 and D is the month (starting with A would be Janurary).

ok cool. so yea i was able to exchange my 6711t antennae for a 6211t. now i found on the sticker says 12E on the back.

i tried to pair up still no go. so now it stopped raining here in the bay and got the chance to verify my unit/brain date.

my brain is dated back in 08 of may. it has dual dial for month and yr. so im assuming the reason why it wont pair it is because my brain/unit is the first gen, per viper there was a cut off date for a 5701 to be compatible with the remote 7351v.

so not my last attempt to use this remote. i will try to talk to my guy who installed my alarm which is an authorized dealer to help me out and see if we can get an exchange for my brain by using my warranty.

ill will update you guys later.

I had the same issue with my 7752 remote not pairing to a viper 5601 with 2-way SST upgrade antenna. Had to pair a 7652 one way remote to the viper [DATE CODE OK/9D] 5601 {as the 5601 was purchased with out any remotes or antenna} with 6711t antenna first then delete all remotes and then pairing the 7752 remote to the viper 5601 was successful the first time. Which is why I can't stress enough that deleting all remotes with an already paired remote and starting fresh eliminates most of the issues. If a 9D datecode on sticker or 9-1 on clock arrows dials in plastic isn't proof enuff that the 10D date code is not tied to the brain but only the antenna its self.

I tried to pair my 7351v remote to my 5701 remote start. unsuccessful. tried deleting all remotes then tried that way. nothing. my antenna has 9b on the back. Is that something I'm going to have to change? vipers website lets you put in your remote start model # and gives you a list of remotes that are compatible in which the 7351v was listed. reading about the antenna situation kind of makes me wonder if its BS. Thanks for any help

Update to a 10D or newer antenna and it will pair with your 5701.

Lurch I'm back!! I've tried to follow whats going on. And I'm still (I'm sorry) a little confused.

My 5701 brain says 9F (or some other letter, its definitely not 10 anything)

Now my new antenna is a 6211T (10d)

Just to be Clear the 7351v remote will NOT work for the configuration I have.

But if I switch my remote to the 7752V remote (using the new 6211T antenna) everything should work?!!?

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Crap I can't edit.. I meant to say I have the 6711T antenna!!!

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Lurch I'm back!! I've tried to follow whats going on. And I'm still (I'm sorry) a little confused.

My 5701 brain says 9F (or some other letter, its definitely not 10 anything)

Now my new antenna is a 6711T (10d)

Just to be Clear the 7351v remote will NOT work for the configuration I have.

But if I switch my remote to the 7752V remote (using the new 6711T antenna) everything should work?!!?

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I also think its funny that viper no longer evern shows the crappy 7251V remote on their list of remotes.

Must be because of all the complaints of the battery case always breaking!!

Which is the whole reason most of us are going through all this to begin with!

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Here is what I have for my bench testing unit:

Pyhton 872 18 Pin model...date code 9-11

6711t Antenna...date code 10I

Python 7752 remote...date code 12f

Clifford 7941 date code unknown..bought this a few days ago from E-Bay. Guy said he has had it for a few years?? No date code on package.

These two remotes pair up with this remote starter with no issues. When I switch it back to the 6211t antenna, the older style LE remotes work with the Python 872.

Are you following the pairing procedure for the remotes as well as the 5701?

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rodeolove wrote:

Crap I can't edit.. I meant to say I have the 6711T antenna!!!

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Lurch I'm back!! I've tried to follow whats going on. And I'm still (I'm sorry) a little confused.

My 5701 brain says 9F (or some other letter, its definitely not 10 anything)

Now my new antenna is a 6711T (10d)

Just to be Clear the 7351v remote will NOT work for the configuration I have.

But if I switch my remote to the 7752V remote (using the new 6711T antenna) everything should work?!!?

Yes it will work!

The only issue I have found with going to the 6711t antenna on the older brains is you need to erase all remotes and then pair the 7652v first if you want to use a 7941v or a 7752v LCD remote as for some reason the system won't pair the LCD remotes until a 7652v has been paired first.

As when I upgraded my 5601 (6111t antenna) to the 6711t antenna the 7752v remote would not pair if the 7652v wasn't paired first. After the 7652 was paired to the system, the 7752 paired the first time.

So If you try to pair the 7752v and it fails, then you will need to pair a 7652v first then delete all remotes and pair the 7652v first again and it will pair the 7752v fine.

The original packaging for the 7351v stated it would work with the Viper 5901 system. The newer ones no longer list the 5901 on the packaging. So The compatibility with the 7351v and 6711t antenna is still unproven as far as I know.

As far as the 6711t antenna date code, that is not an issue for the older systems. It only applied to the to the pre 10D 6211t antennas shipped with the pre 10D systems, and needed to be updated to a 10D or newer antenna for the 7351v remote support.

The antenna is the interface or hub by which the remotes communicate with and the antenna also communicates with the brain via data, the only portion of the remote contained in the brain is the paired remote ID.

That's why if you want to use a 7351v remote with a older than 10D date code system the 6211t antenna needs to be upgraded to a 6211t 10D or newer date code. DEI covers all their bases by only saying that only a 10D or newer system will work. As thats when they made the changes to the 6211t antenna. And they didn't test to see if it would still work with the older systems though it should.

I upgraded my antenna to one with the date code ok/11j. tried to pair my 7152v then the 7351, the 7351 wont pair. tired to delete all remotes then pair, still nothing for the 7351v. any other suggestions? please and thank you for any help

i forgot to mention the part #'s. my viper is 5701 and the antenna is the 6211

bojangle50 wrote:

I upgraded my antenna to one with the date code ok/11j. tried to pair my 7152v then the 7351, the 7351 wont pair. tired to delete all remotes then pair, still nothing for the 7351v. any other suggestions? please and thank you for any help

Follow these steps as follows and post back what your results are!

Delete all remotes
Exit pairing mode and verify all remotes have been deleted, and do not function.
Pair the 7152 remote first and verify that it works.
Pair the 7351 LCD remote.
Exit pairing mode test all remotes.
Post back your results!

followed those steps precisely and still no go on the 7351

lurch228 wrote:

bojangle50 wrote:

I upgraded my antenna to one with the date code ok/11j. tried to pair my 7152v then the 7351, the 7351 wont pair. tired to delete all remotes then pair, still nothing for the 7351v. any other suggestions? please and thank you for any help

Follow these steps as follows and post back what your results are!

Delete all remotes
Exit pairing mode and verify all remotes have been deleted, and do not function.
Pair the 7152 remote first and verify that it works.
Pair the 7351 LCD remote.
Exit pairing mode test all remotes.
Post back your results!

Follow these UPDATED steps as follows and post back what your results are!

Delete all remotes
Exit pairing mode and verify all remotes have been deleted, and do not function.
*Pull all power from the Unit and repower.
Pair the 7152 remote first and verify that it works.
Pair the 7351 LCD remote.
Exit pairing mode test all remotes.
Post back your results!

Also post what the main unit model date code is.

still no go. where would the date code be? thank you for all your help lurch

lurch228 wrote:

Follow these UPDATED steps as follows and post back what your results are!

Delete all remotes
Exit pairing mode and verify all remotes have been deleted, and do not function.
*Pull all power from the Unit and repower.
Pair the 7152 remote first and verify that it works.
Pair the 7351 LCD remote.
Exit pairing mode test all remotes.
Post back your results!

Some times it can take mutiple tries to get it to update to the new antenna and remote. You can also try with no antenna pluged in and power cycle it, then pull power and reconnect antenna and try my updated list again.

Also verify that the 7351 is set to the Security mode not Remote start mode in it's internal settings.

But there could be a cut-off date that the antenna upgrade won't work. As this is a work in progress to determine what will work and what won't. The only thing that would limit the remotes would be a id range that is not included in the older firmware that the 7351 uses. As a refurbished unit would have the latest firmware loaded at the time of repair so that can also make a difference.

If you had it installed at a authorized dealer they can replace it with a brain that will work with the 7351.

Otherwise the cheapest way to upgrade the brain is to get a refurbished matching 5601 or 5701 with the 10D or newer date code.

Should be a white sticker on the main unit that reads OK/9D or the like or you can get a close match to the date code by the small raised clock dials in the plastic case.

Also there are 2 versions of the alarm/remote start in this series the 18 pin and non-18 pin.

DATE CODE LOOKS LIKE 6/08 ON THE MAIN BRAIN

lurch228 wrote:

Also post what the main unit model date code is.

I do believe it is a reman to

bojangle50 wrote:

I do believe it is a reman to

The Reman's that I have installed are all remaned after the 10D date code even though they were originally manufactured prior to the 10D date code so that may the the key. Wish there was more I could tell you as everthing that I have learned is from trial and error. So the firmware that is loaded on the main brain is key to the 7351 functioning with the older units, so it looks like you will need to do a brain swap.

Basicly we have learned that units maufactured prior to the 10D date code that haven't been remanufactured after the 10D date code won't work with the 7351 remote. And any that have been remanufactured after the 10d date code could have the newer firmware that will allow the 7351 remote to work but it's not guarenteed too.

So for all who want to upgrade to a LCD remote and have a pre 10D date code your best bet is to use the 6711t antenna and the 7752 or 7941 7652(one way) remotes for guarenteed compatibility with the 5101,5301,5601, and 5701 brains and their Python and Clifford equivalents.

If anyone has had different result please post you you findings.

Lurch228 you really know your stuff and it's nice that you help and share your knowledge. Thank you very much for all your help. You know of a good spot to get a new brain with out buying the whole unit? thanks again

lurch228 wrote:

bojangle50 wrote:

I do believe it is a reman to

The Reman's that I have installed are all remaned after the 10D date code even though they were originally manufactured prior to the 10D date code so that may the the key. Wish there was more I could tell you as everthing that I have learned is from trial and error. So the firmware that is loaded on the main brain is key to the 7351 functioning with the older units, so it looks like you will need to do a brain swap.

Basicly we have learned that units maufactured prior to the 10D date code that haven't been remanufactured after the 10D date code won't work with the 7351 remote. And any that have been remanufactured after the 10d date code could have the newer firmware that will allow the 7351 remote to work but it's not guarenteed too.

So for all who want to upgrade to a LCD remote and have a pre 10D date code your best bet is to use the 6711t antenna and the 7752 or 7941 7652(one way) remotes for guarenteed compatibility with the 5101,5301,5601, and 5701 brains and their Python and Clifford equivlents.

If anyone has had different result please post you you findings.

You could check with the seller below by sending the seller a message and ask them to verify the date code you need, and if you ask they will work with you for just buying the brain or you can buy the whole alarm swap the brain and resell it to recoup as much of your cost as possible. As usually buying just the brain is as much or more than a refurb unit typically, if you don't know what seller to talk to.

You need to make sure that you are getting the same 18 pin or non 18 pin plug that you have now if just buying a brain.

They qouted me the brain from the 5701 and all the wiring harness' shipped $60. no antenna.no siren.no antenna cable.no remotes- discountcarstereos

Here's their ebay refurb. listing for 127.33 free shipping.

https://www./itm/130834656596

Here's a 5701(B5202v) refurb 18 pin for 92.99 free ship also if you want to buy a whole system.
https://www.dpcauto.com/viper-5701-2way-remote-start-car-alarm-w-led-b5202v-refurbished/

So I got the new brain today and plugged it up. remotes program fine except the 7351v still, anything you could suggest?

lurch228 wrote:

They qouted me the brain from the 5701 and all the wiring harness' shipped $60. no antenna.no siren.no antenna cable.no remotes- discountcarstereos

https://www./itm/130834656596

I read through the owners manual and so doesn't look like I'm missing anything

What date code and pin count is the new brain?

It looks like feb 2008 but it's a reman

lurch228 wrote:

What date code and pin count is the new brain?

oh and it's non-18 pin

My only other suggestion at this point is to try my steps a few more times but only pair the one way remote first then try pairing the 7351 a few more times exiting pairing mode and then going back into pairing mode each time to see if it will pair. If not then you will need to check around at your local stereo shops asking the installers if they have one that is 10D or later that they will swap you even up or for a few bucks, as I'm sure you don't need 3 brains.

I have helped other people with the 7351 issue and they updated the antenna and it worked for them. I would have to believe that if you still can't get it to work then there must be a difference between your non 18 pin and the 18 pin that replaced it in 2008.

And you may need to use the 18-pin to resolve your issue or go with a 7941&7752&7652(1-way)/6711t remotes/antenna combo with your current brain. But all your old LE remotes won't work with the 6711t antenna.

For gaureenteed compatiablity you can use any 18 pin that is 10D or later viper 5601,5701,5901, Python 991,872,1601, Clifford Matrix 50.7x,3.3x,2.2 are all interchangable for the 18pin just shipped with the different antenna and remotes and badged as applicable.

Or you could try one more time with a brain swap but to a 18-pin instead of the non you have. If you can still return the one you bought for an exchange and they are willing to do so. "Be aware that you will need to either rewire the 18 pin portion or swap the current color matching wires from the non 18 pin plugs to the 18-pin plug". The wires can be carefully removed from the plugs and swapped if you take your time and don't break the retaing tabs off in the process.

Hope this helps you to resolve this issue and you post back your results to continue to help others.