avital 4103 1995 accord ex

I have on order a new Avital 4103 to install in a 1995 Accord EX...  I have downloaded the online installation manual along with the cross reference to the Honda wiring for my vehicle...  I am hung up on a couple of items and hope to get some clearification...  They basicly hover around this neutral switch issue...

1.  Page 21 and 22 of the manual talkes ablout the neutral safety switch input and also shows a toggle switch..  The honda wiring does not state anything about a neutral wire so I need some advice here please...

2.  Does page 24 refer to the same as above...  If so, do I do this test stated on page 24 before doing anthing in part one above. 

Hopefully somebody can take the time to cross reference the manual to look at these pages...  Thanks

Is there anyone who has done this installation which could provide a cross reference of wire hookups from Avital 4103 to the Honda schematic and any problem areas...

It would be deeply appreciated..  Any input or direction would be great...  Pretty good with car wiring but just a little hung up on these two neutral questions...

The neutral safety switch (NSS) wire is only required to be connected to the vehicle if it is able to start in gear. You should not have that probelm on your accord (mostly only matters on older vehicles). To test you can simply put the car in gear with your foot close to the brake pedal and try starting it. if it tries to start then you need to connect the NSS wire. If not then you need to either ground the NSS wire or connect it through a toggle switch that you can use as a "kill" switch for the remote starter. Basically by installing the toggle switch you will have the ability to deactivate the remote starter and not allow it to be remote started.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Thanks for the update....  Makes total sense...  Could possibly answer one more question...

Page 16 talks about the installation of the momentary switch is this the same as the "push-button Valet switch" I would lean towards the yes but would just like to make sure...

Thanks

Once again any cross reference sheets for Avital 4103 to the 1995 Honda wiring schematic...

There are no cross-reference sheets. You will have to match up the install diagram from the 4103 to the install data sheet for the car (can be found on this site). Make sure you test all wires with your DMM and don't put full trust in teh data sheet.

As far as the momentary switch I am not 100% sure since I don't have the manual in front of me. I would assume that is correct though.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Kenny,

Thanks for all your help...  This is the link to the manual...  If you have a minute can you take a look please... 

https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/IG/Avital/N4103_2008-07_web.pdf

This is what I cross referenced in my preliminary wiring to the 1995 Accord

Primary Harness

H1/1-3 not used

H1/4 to Momentary Switch/ Valet Switch

H1/6 Horn to Horn (Blue/Red or GREEN/ Blue)

H1/7 not used because the Trunk release works off of a cable

H1/8 Ground - Ok with this one...

H1/9 Light Flash to Parking Lights (RED / Black)

4-Pin Satellite Harness - Not used

Heavy Gauge Relay Wiring

1 Pink to BLACK / YELLOW Ignition 1

2 Purple to BLACK/ Whire Starter 1

3 Orange to ACCESSORY /HEATER Blower Yellow

4/6 Red to White 12 Volt Constant

5 Not using

Door Lock Harness

1 Blue to Power Unlock (Orange)

3 Green to Power Lock (BLACK/ White)

Remote Start Harness

H2/1 Probably to Switch but will check

H2/2 Violet/White to Blue at Distributer

H2/3 Brown to Brake Switch (GREEN / WHITE)

H2/4 Grey to Hood Pin Switch

H2/5 Blue/White possibly to the Rear Defroster or may not use..

Thanks again for your help..

ferrcad wrote:

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Kenny,

Thanks for all your help...  This is the link to the manual...  If you have a minute can you take a look please... 

https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/IG/Avital/N4103_2008-07_web.pdf

This is what I cross referenced in my preliminary wiring to the 1995 Accord

Primary Harness

H1/1-3 not used

H1/4 to Momentary Switch/ Valet Switch <--This only gets connected if you wish to have a button that will activate the remote starter. A ground on the activation wire accomplishes the same thing as pressing the remote start button. It is normally not connected.

H1/6 Horn to Horn (Blue/Red or GREEN/ Blue)

H1/7 not used because the Trunk release works off of a cable

H1/8 Ground - Ok with this one... <-- Make sure to use a good solid chassis ground and scrape off any paint.

H1/9 Light Flash to Parking Lights (RED / Black)

4-Pin Satellite Harness - Not used

Heavy Gauge Relay Wiring

1 Pink to BLACK / YELLOW Ignition 1

2 Purple to BLACK/ Whire Starter 1

3 Orange to ACCESSORY /HEATER Blower Yellow

4/6 Red to White 12 Volt Constant

5 Not using

Door Lock Harness

1 Blue to Power Unlock (Orange)

3 Green to Power Lock (BLACK/ White)

Remote Start Harness

H2/1 Probably to Switch but will check <--Yes, this will go to the toggle switch or to ground depending on how you wish to install the unit (with or without a remote starter kill switch)

H2/2 Violet/White to Blue at Distributer

H2/3 Brown to Brake Switch (GREEN / WHITE)

H2/4 Grey to Hood Pin Switch

H2/5 Blue/White possibly to the Rear Defroster or may not use..

Thanks again for your help..

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Please see added comments within quote.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

On this car you have two accessory wires red an yellow if u want to turn the heater with the remote start you have to use the red wire the yellow wire does the radio and other stuff

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triniforever

triniforever wrote:

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On this car you have two accessory wires red an yellow if u want to turn the heater with the remote start you have to use the red wire the yellow wire does the radio and other stuff

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Not sure what you are saying here...  The following chart is directly from the wire diagram on 12 volt web site...

Constant 12V+	White	Ignition Switch Harness or Fuse Panel
Starter	BLACK/ White	Ignition Switch Harness
Ignition	BLACK / YELLOW	Ignition Switch Harness
Accessory	Yellow	Ignition Switch Harness
Tach	Blue	Distributor
Brake Switch	GREEN / WHITE	Brake Switch
Trunk Pin	ORANGE / Silver (-)	Right of Column Gray Connector
Parking Lights	RED / Black	Fuse Panel Blue Connector
Head Lamp	Blue	Left of Column Blue Connector
Hood Pin	n/a
Door Trigger	BLACK/ White (-)	Right of Column Gray Connector
Door Lock	BLACK/ White (-)	Gray Connector above Fuse Panel TapeD to Harness
Door Unlock	Orange (-)
Horn Wire	GREEN/ Blue (-)	Left of Column Gray Connector

Can you explain your comment and wires you are talking about in more detail please...

Thanks

DEI also says its just 1 Yellow accessory wire.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

offroadzj wrote:

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DEI also says its just 1 Yellow accessory wire.

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Kenny,

He got me wondering so I pulled the manual up and found the following in the ignition switch:

Start - BLK/WHT

ACC - WHT/BLK (This one is not mentioned on anything other than the Honda Accord shop manual)

IG1 - BLK/YEL

IG2 - YEL

Is he possibly talking about the ACC - WHT/BLK which according to the manual states to WHT/YEL Cigarette Lighter Relay and Fuse Relay

Box socket (Optional Connector - A)

The manual all states that IG2 - YEL controls all of the following:

ABS Inspection connector, ABS control unit (IG2), ABS pump motor relay, power mirror actuators, power mirror defogger (Not applicable on my model)

Recirculation control motor, Heater control panel, Rear window defogger indicator light, A/C compressor clutch relay and etc....

Just got the starter in yesterday so will attempt install this weekend...

Any input please let me know... 

Thanks

Brian

I've always used DEI on the Honda's I've done and its never let me down. Have you looked at the ignition switch to see what is there?

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

offroadzj wrote:

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I've always used DEI on the Honda's I've done and its never let me down. Have you looked at the ignition switch to see what is there?

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No, as I said earlier I will be digging into this weekend...  Just trying to do as much preliminary before the initial dig in... I will keep you posted...  Thanks for all you help...

should have no issues with this vehicle. i owned one and they are cake to install alarm/start, easier if start and keyless.

if you have trouble pm me and ill copy/post the question/answer here in the board.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

tedmond wrote:

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should have no issues with this vehicle. i owned one and they are cake to install alarm/start, easier if start and keyless.

if you have trouble pm me and ill copy/post the question/answer here in the board.

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Thanks a million tedmond...  I will do so if needed...