09 mdx, pkall viper responder 1

Thank in advance for your time..

Just getting ready to start a remote start install on my 09 mdx. Was hoping someone could help a bit. Pkall and a viper responder 1. have not even really figured out how to get started with the pkall.

 Frustrated since the pins were listed wrong on the pkall diagram, but I believe i have everything connected. Brown ignition to pkall pink and green data to purple data. Blue to - when running.. Can't even get anything else to light up, Does anyone have a step by step guide, or pkall troubelshooting steps.. ie whatever you used to complete your install? I just can't seem to find anything on the subject. I have done a lot of 12 volt installs carputers etc..

Did you have to flash the pkall or anything like that?  I know that people will offer to flash them for you, but I'm not even getting power now I believe.  Where does it take it's power from?

 Do the responder 1 connections need to be made, and which ones need to be made?

Sorry for the book, just frustrated.  More than happy to troubleshoot, but can't get pointed in the right direction. 

Go to xpresskit.com and punch in the year make model of your vehicle and an install guide will pop up .siimply download the guide an it will give you all the right connections to your vehicle

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triniforever

you still need power and ground from the 4pin connector 1.


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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Have the guide guys thanks.. my prob is that only the data and ignition wires are shownto connect... datawire is 5 volts and ignition is only on when key is turned.. you guys are saying it needs power from anothrr wire in that bundle? not from the d2d cable though right?
Thx for your time almost ready to scrap it..

Only 4 pin is the d2d cable but the instructions does the light blinking Before that cable is even plugged in..ie it's getting power for the from the bypass somewhere? Maybe I'm saying wrong? Also is there any benefit to d2d here? What wiring am i saving myself

Re read it wants 2 first to if i did w2w it would get 12 volt.. d2d must get 12 volt to remote start therefor remote start not passing 12 volt maybe?

Lastly do i need to hook up any door cables or trunk releases etc? Hoping that its just the power. Remote start only no alarm integration..

if you want to make your life simple, buy an idatalink ads-al-ca flashed with the right firmware. it will do locks, trunk release, disarm, more through data. all the hard work is done for you.

if you want to stick with the pkall, follow the w2w installation. from your remote start, you still need to wire lock,unlock, parkinglight, disarm, rearm. these wires will be in the kick panel. sometimes you have to go into the drivers door.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

I agree with tedmond.

The MDX is probably the worst car I'v ever dealt with as far as door panel removal, running wires through the molex into the door.....and then on top of that, you need to somehow run up to a total of 5 wires through that annoying (and greasy) molex connector: arm, disarm, lock, unlock, and hatch release.

Even if you're only doing a 1-button starter, you still need to run two wires in there for disarm and unlock.

Unless you have an extra hour or two to spare, I'd just do exactly what tedmond said, and get the ADS ALCA (or Flashlogic FLCAN or Omegalink OM-something-or-other) and save lots of time, as well as not hacking into the door panel of your nice luxury car.

If you're a DEI fan (or need to return your PKALL for credit with a DEI-only dealer), they list the DBALL and XK09. I haven't tried either, but they should offer a similar feature set and installation to the ALCA.

I think Fortin (ifar.ca) probably also has a module that'll do your car.

Anyway, if you're set on using the PKALL, you should only have three connections, just like it shows in the guide:

ground-when-running is blue/white on module, to blue/white on Viper
ignition is pink from module, to ignition wire in car
data is PURPLE / white from module to data wire in car

the alternatives in bypasses are

idatalink: ads-al-ca (multi) or ads-dlsl-ca2 (solo)
fortin: EVO-can or EVO-All
xpresskits: DBALL or XK09 (the DBALL would be a better option)

i would recommend using the idatalink or fortin personally.
on that note, you should reconsider, and get a remote start with keyless entry. Once the vehicle is started, keyless features not longer work from the factory remote.

as what chris mentioned, the door molex is horrible to work on. Running speaker wires into the door is not favorable when i did one. And careful if you take the door panel off, those white clips are cheap, they break very easily in cold weather.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Points noted.  I appear to be stuck anyway.  Can't even get the pkall to indicate any sort of led action.  At this point I have cut the d2d and am just trying to get 12 volt and a ground out of it.  Still nothing on the pkall even though multimeter says it's perfect.  Sucks...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you would recommend sending the whole setup back and getting an alarm with remote?  I didn't realize the remote start would render the factory system off.  If it were your guys money, please recommend the setup I should get and from whom as well.  I don't have any loyalty to dei etc.. just wanted something I could setup in a few hours.  Setup a manual remote start on a jetta 8 years ago or so, so I must be going backwards in terms of skills..  If I didn't get the remote with keyess entry would I have to use the acura key in the door to lock and unlock?

At this point i would like a remote start for the wife.  If she can use factory keys fine, if she needs to use an aftermarket fob fine.  I feel like I really don't need the alarm system some of these come with, but that's also just an uniformed opinion.

Guys I really appreciate your time.  A recomendation from you as exactally what to purchase would be much apprecaited.  I'm going to go rip it all out.. Thank God for temp connections.

i would recommend a compustar pro 1wg4ss with an idatalink module flashed for your vehicle. this is a starter and keyless entry unit only.

the setup will take you at most 3h for novice installer.

if you want to be with directed dei, viper 5101 is a pretty good unit. any unit is fine with keyless entry and just use the fortin or idata bypass.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Thanks very much for your time.  Very much appreciated.

You can keep the remote starter you already have...it's a 1-button Viper right? Or, you can get a system with separate buttons for lock, unlock, start, trunk, and maybe panic.

1-button advantages:
---small remote
---simple to understand. Push twice to start; push once (after remote started) to unlock

1-button disadvantages:
---cannot open rear hatch or activate panic when remote starter is on
---some people can become a little confused as to how to use the same button to both start, and unlock the car.

Multi-button advantages
---Each button clearly labeled as to what it does; no confusion as to how to unlock
---Longer range lets you lock car doors from inside house, in case you can't remember if you locked it while parking
---Able to control all functions of car even when remote starter is running, including hatch up/down (NOTE: No matter which databus module you buy, they all only do hatch with the car off. If you need hatch up/down when the remote starter is on, must run wire into door)


Multi-button disadvantages:
---Bulky remote to carry
---Sometimes (depending on brand) higher product cost

Another option:
---You could also use a multi-button remote, but use the gray valet key to drive the car. At least that way there's only one remote to carry around instead of two.

all the above, agreed. its entirely up to how you want the setup.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert