2004 ram 3500 diesel remote start

Ok so its been a quite a few years since i have installed a remote start and alarm. A bit has changed with the Vipers compared to the old Matrix RS3's that I last installed. My old name on here I cant remember the password so i had to make a new name.

Im having some issues with getting the remote start to work with my 04 ram 3500 diesel. It will crank but not start, Im sure it has to do with the flex relay and hooking up enough accys/Ign. Im installing the Viper 5704 and the Flex relay is a little different to me. Im sure its no different than adding the additional relays ive done in the past to control the extra accy and ign of some vehicles, but im stuck. Any tips/help you can give please let me know. Also occasionally the factory alarm goes off with the remote start im not sure why, since the plain metal key will start the truck and let it run without issues. Do i need a bypass module even though the truck works fine with that?

I have as a diagram the following

In Car What I Hooked to remote start
12V        Red and Red both 40A    Red and RED / Black
Starter     Yellow   Car Side Green, Key Side Purple
Ignition    Pink/White  Pink/White
Ing 2       pink/lt. green Pink
Accy        dk. blue and pink / YELLOW 16 awg        Orange (seems odd that accy1 is so small gauged)
Accy 2      pink / YELLOW 14 awg
accy 3      pink / YELLOW 10 awg


Remote start harness is as follows.
H3/1 Pink (+) Inginition 1 INPUT/OUTPUT     
H3/2 RED / White Fused 30amp Ingnition 2 / Flex Relay input 87 (not used?)
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory Output
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter Output (Car side of starter Kill)
H3/5 Green (+) Starter Input (Key side of starter kill)   
H3/6 Red (+) Fused 30amp Ignition 1 Input (12V battery)
H3/7 Pink/White (+) Ingnition 2/ Flex Relay Output
H3/8 Pink/Black (+) Flex Relay Input 87A key side        (not used?)
H3/9 RED / Black (+) Fused 30amp Accesory/Starter Input
H3/10 NO CONNECTION

Do i need to use the h2/1 Pink/white (-)200mA Ignition/Flex Relay Control Output wire with the flex relay etc. Is the flex relay built in or should i be using another relay with these being some inputs for it? The more i think about it I think the RED / white and pink/white need to be off another relay getting 12v and using the h2/1 as a trigger.

Sorry if formatting didnt work when i preview it, i cant get any indention i used to help keep things in columns.

The reason the truck is not starting and running is because H3/2 is not connected to +12V constant. 
OK.  Here is one way to do it.

H3/1 Pink (+) Ignition 1 INPUT/OUTPUT Pink/White      IGN1
H3/2 RED / White Fused 30amp Ignition 2 / Flex Relay input 87   Red    +12V
H3/3 Orange (+) Accessory Output         Dk Blue & Pink / YELLOW          ACC1
H3/4 Violet (+) Starter Output (Car side of starter Kill) Yellow - cut     Starter
H3/5 Green (+) Starter Input (Key side of starter kill)    Yellow - cut     Starter
H3/6 Red (+) Fused 30amp Ignition 1 Input (12V battery)         Red    +12V
H3/7 Pink/White (+) Ignition 2/ Flex Relay Output    ***Set to ACC2*** Pink / YELLOW 10Gauge   ACC2
H3/8 Pink/Black (+) Flex Relay Input 87A key side         not used
H3/9 RED / Black (+) Fused 30amp Accessory/Starter Input       Red   +12V
H3/10 NO CONNECTION

H3/7 comes factory defaulted to IGN2.  Change programming in Menu 3, Item 8 to Option 2 ( for ACC2 ).
To power the IGN2 and ACC3 you will need 2 extra 30/40 Amp SPDT relays with fuseholder & 20A fuses.  Wire as follows:

Relay1 for IGN2 circuit

Relay Pin 85 to Viper Pink (-)200ma Ignition Output
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant fused at 20 Amps
Relay Pin 30 to IGN2 wire in truck Pink/Light Green

Relay 2 for ACC3 circuit

Relay Pin 85 to Viper Orange (-)200ma Accessory Output
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant fused at 20 Amps
Relay Pin 30 to ACC3 wire in truck Pink / YELLOW 14 Gauge

Relay Pin 87A is not used on both relays and should be insulated.

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Ive got everything hooked up the way you suggested. I'm still getting the cranking without starting. Do i need to hook up the h2/1 to anything?

I saw you wanted both Dk. Blue & Pink / YELLOW (16ga) hooked up for acc 1. I used a relay the same way as the other acc relay so i didn't just hook them all together. Instead of having it triggered by the orange viper output should i have it triggered off the Dk. Blue acc wire? I have changed the flex relay to be acc 2. As well as the external relay for acc 3 and ign 2.

I can use the remote start button when the truck is on and it will stay started without a key in the ignition. Of course to get it to work i have to follow the manual start procedures.

Is there a way to factory restore the alarm back to default? It seems like when i was setting the flex relay it was not setup for ign from default like it should of been? I can get a hold of a bitwriter to go through everything setting by setting but it will be a few days. Resetting and configuring the way i want/need seems easier.

The Viper H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT is not used.

Are the Accessory 1 wires, dk. blue and pink / YELLOW, sharing the same ignition harness connector pin?  That's
the way it sounds going by the DEI wire guide.  Haven't done a 2004 3500, but keeping all the ignition wires
isolated is a good idea.

Are you running in Tach Mode and have you done a successful Tach Learn?  Here is some tach info from DEI:
On diesel models, the tach wire is at the ECM on the lower driver side of the engine, 60 pin plug, pin 24, or at the camshaft
position sensor just left of the ECM, in a 3 pin plug.

Have you set a Wait to Start Delay and programmed the Viper for Accessory State During Wait To Start to ON?

Is the truck an auto or manual trans vehicle?  If it's an auto, then program the Viper to Auto Trans ( Menu 3, Item 1, Opt 2 ).

Not sure with the Viper programming.  Here are the reset instructions from the Viper 5904 from Page 23  :
Reset and Deletion
If a feature/virtual tach needs to be reset or the remote controls need to be deleted, use the following procedure.
1. Open a door. (The green wire, H2/6, or the violet, H2/12 must be connected.)
2. Turn the ignition to the ON position (The heavy gauge pink wire must be connected).
3. Within 10 seconds, press and release the Control button: 2 times if you want to delete remotes, 3 times
   to reset features or 4 times to reset virtual tach. These features are described next.
Delete remotes: This feature erases all remotes from the memory of the security system. This is useful
in cases when a customer’s remote is lost or stolen.
Note: This does not reset the programmed features of the security system or reset the Virtual Tach
setting.
Reset Features: This resets features all of the security system to the factory default settings.
Note: This feature does not delete the remotes from the security system or reset the Virtual Tach setting
Virtual Tach Reset: Deletes all previously learned values for Virtual Tach, and on the next remote start
sequence the unit begins virtual tach initialization.
Note: The “Zap” feature on the Bitwriter does not reset the Virtual tach setting.
4. Once you have selected the function step, press the Control button once more and hold it. The LED flashes
and the siren chirps to confirm the selected functional step. Do not release the Control button
5. While holding the control button, press the AUX button on the remote control. The unit chirps to confirm that
the feature has been successfully reset.
Once the feature is reset, the Control button can be released.

 

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I dont think they are on the same circuit, while the truck was running off the alarm (started remote start while it was running and turned it off removed key) I tested all wires to see if they were all powered up and working correctly (in case a relay was bad) I also checked the other wires to see what wires had power etc.

It is a manual Transmission. I've also learned the tach, and I'm not using the wait to start 528-T yet. Im going to see how this works without it first just using the 15 seconds i setup. My truck doesnt use glow plugs so the only reason it needs to wait is for the grid heaters when its below 60*F.

So far the features i set different from default are
option #
2 Tachometer
6 on-1 min
8 Acc 2
9 timed 15 sec.

I guess I will try and reset the alarm and try to setup everything again because it sounds like all the wires are attached where they need to be.