viper 5704, 2003 acura rsx

I have a question on the following wires for a Viper 5704 alarm/remote start on 2003 Acura RSX Type-S.

H1/4 WHITE/ Brown Parking Light Isolation Wire: Not Used?

H1/6 Orange 500mA Ground When Armed Output: Where does this go to?

H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output: Where does this go to?

H3/2 RED / White Fused Ignition 2: Where does this go to?

H3/3 Orange Accessory Output:

H3/4 Violet Starter Output: BLACK/ White - Key or Car Side ?

H3/5 Green Starter Input: BLACK/ White - Key or Car Side ?

H3/6 Red Fused Ignition 1 Input: Where does this go?

H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output: Where does this go?

H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A Key Side of Flex Relay: Not Used?

H3/9 RED / Black Fused Accessory/Starter Input: Where does this go?

I see that Ignition 1, Ignition 2, and Accessory are listed twice in the H3 harnesses. Does this mean the wires get cut like the starter wire?

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Forgot to add the following:

H2/1 Pink/White 200mA Ignition/Flex Relay Control Output: Where does this go, or not used?

H2/10 Pink 200mA Ignition 1 Output: Where does this go?

H2/12 Violet Door Trigger Input (+) - Not used? (RSX has - door trigger so I'm using H2/6 Green instead.

H2/22 Orange 200mA Accessory Output: Where does this go?

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H1/4 WHITE/ Brown Parking Light Isolation Wire:   Not Used
H1/6 Orange 500mA Ground When Armed Output:      Not Used

H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output:              BLACK / YELLOW @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/2 RED / White Fused Ignition 2: White @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/3 Orange Accessory Output:                BLACK/ Red @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/4 Violet Starter Output:             BLACK/ White cut @ Ignition Switch Harness - Car Side
H3/5 Green Starter Input:              BLACK/ White cut @ Ignition Switch Harness - Key Side
H3/6 Red Fused Ignition 1 Input:            White @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output:     WHITE/ Red @ Ignition Switch Harness    ***Set Viper for ACC2***
H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A : Not Used
H3/9 RED / Black Fused Accessory/Starter Input:   White @ Ignition Switch Harness

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H2/1 Pink/White 200mA Ignition/Flex Relay Control Output: not used
H2/10 Pink 200mA Ignition 1 Output: not used
H2/12 Violet Door Trigger Input (+) - Not used.       (RSX has - door trigger so use H2/6 Green instead. )
H2/22 Orange 200mA Accessory Output:         not used


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thanks!

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kreg357 wrote:

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H1/4 WHITE/ Brown Parking Light Isolation Wire:   Not Used
H1/6 Orange 500mA Ground When Armed Output:      Not Used

H3/1 Pink Ignition 1 Input/Output:              BLACK / YELLOW @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/2 RED / White Fused Ignition 2: White @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/3 Orange Accessory Output:                BLACK/ Red @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/4 Violet Starter Output:             BLACK/ White cut @ Ignition Switch Harness - Car Side
H3/5 Green Starter Input:              BLACK/ White cut @ Ignition Switch Harness - Key Side
H3/6 Red Fused Ignition 1 Input:            White @ Ignition Switch Harness
H3/7 Pink/White Ignition 2 / Flex Relay Output:     WHITE/ Red @ Ignition Switch Harness    ***Set Viper for ACC2***
H3/8 Pink/Black Flex Relay Input 87A : Not Used
H3/9 RED / Black Fused Accessory/Starter Input:   White @ Ignition Switch Harness

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Thanks again!

I have a few more actually:

H2/9 Dark Blue

H2/11 WHITE/ Black

H2/18 Violet / YELLOW

H2/21 WHITE/ Blue

For H2/13 - H2/15 those are used for accessories? Like tilt, motion, glass break?

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I also noticed you said to set Viper for ACC2, how do I do that?

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Download the Viper install guide from the "Downloads" section if you don't have it.  There are several programming
options that will need to be changed.  To change the Flex relay from its' factory default of IGN2 to ACC2, change
Menu 3, Item 8 to Option 2.  Other common options to check are Transmission Mode ( Menu 3, Item 1 ) and Engine Checking
( Menu 3, Item 2 ).  Tach mode is usually the most reliable. 

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I don't have access to Directed Techs as I'm not a dealer. I could not find downloads on viper.com's web site unless I completely over looked it.

This is the only thing I could get access to: https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/OG/Viper/G5704V%202011-08%20web2.pdf

The car is a manual transmission. I'm guessing I have to press the brake, lift the parking brake, press a button on the keypad, and then open the door, walk out, close door, arm so the system knows I left the vehicle not in gear?

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Yes, that is correct for a manual trans mode install.  You will need to run in Tach Mode, and connect the door triggers
to monitor the doors.  Also you will need to bypass the clutch pedal interlock switch.  Try using the Viper 5904
Install Guide, it's in the Downloads section.

H2/9 Dark Blue   Used for the bypass module if going in W2W mode.  Your car should need a bypass module for
a remote start.  Which bypass module are you using?

H2/11 WHITE/ Black AUX3, if used.

H2/18 Violet / YELLOW Not used

H2/21 WHITE/ Blue   Not used

For H2/13 - H2/15 those are used for accessories? Like tilt, motion, glass break?   No, used to contol optional
things like window roll-up / roll-down, memory seats, etc.

 

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I purchased PKALL.

I already wired the door and tach.

Clutch bypass is just unplugging the connector and jumping the two wires together?

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No.  Doing it that way eliminates the clutch safety all together, all the time.  You could then start the car with the key in gear without depressing the clutch pedal.  The clutch bypass should only happen during a remote start.  Typically you would use the Vipers (-) Starter Output to trigger a relay that is properly wired to the clutch interlock switch.  Test that switches operation with a DMM to determine the necessary wiring.

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Oh ok,

So 87 and 30 would connect the clutch interlock switch. And 85 would connect to the - Starter Output and 86 would connect to a postiive switched 12v source?

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Yes, that sounds correct for a N.O. interlock switch.    If it's the same as the Civic and has a Yellow connector with the Orange output wire, you could connect the (-) 200 mA Starter Output directly to that Orange wire ( no relay needed ).

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I'll have to double check. I have the helms manual and DMM so hopefully I can do without a relay.

Do you have any knowledge with Alpine equipment? Looking to find out the difference between HCE-C300R and the VPX-B104R Parking Sensor System w/ camera.  There's not enough information on Alpine's web site.  The only differences I see is that the HCE-C300R doesn't use any rear sensors. However, the VPX-B104R w/ Camera is about $100 cheaper.

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nevermind... figured it out

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For the RSX, there is a bypass module called PKALL.

There is a 6 pin plug and a 4 pin plug that have connections to the vehicle. Can anyone confirm that these connections are correct:

6 PIN
PURPLE / White -> RED / Blue on car
Yellow/Black -> NOT USED
Blue/White -> While Running Status (Viper module)
Green -> NOT USED
Pink -> Yellow/Black on car
Black -> NOT USED

4 PIN
Light Green -> Blue/Orange Car Side
ORANGE / Brown -> Blue/Orange Key Side
ORANGE / Green -> NOT USED
Brown -> NOT USED

The instructions seem a bit confusing as I got this info from the PDF on page 9. Yet in the beginning, it says otherwise:

PIN 6
Yellow/Black -> Data 2
Green -> Keysense
Black ->Ground

So do I need to connect the above 3 wires or not?

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Basically no.  Use only the Connection 9 diagram found on the page marked "Page 9".
The PKALL is a re-badged Fortin Key-OverRide-All module.  While the PKALL and Fortin Key-OverRide-All wire colors
are different, the connector positions are the same.  Here is the Fortin install instructions for your car :
 https://ifar.ca/download/1659/preview.html

Don't forget Connector 1 - either D2D or cut it and go W2W.

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I connected the D2D to the Viper module.

The 3 wires that say N.c. on page 9 I didn't connect.

I just wanted to be sure.

Thanks!

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My viper 5704 came with a hood pin device yet the wiring diagram is telling me to tap into the factory wiring for hood pin input. Which should I use?

Its a 2003 Acura RSX

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either one is fine. id use the factory hoodpin because its cleaner and its already there.

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Soundnsecurity is absolutely right, there are many older cars without hood pins and that's why they provide you with one. If there's a factory pin, hood, doors trunk, use it.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

For reliability reasons, I too vote for the OEM switch.

You should diode isolate the connection if using the factory hood pin.

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Great. Thanks for all your help!

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I've only worked on a couple of RSX's, but I don't think any of them had a factory alarm. It might be an option, a dealer accessory, or only available in other countries.

Hopefully you've already planned to disassemble the car, find the wires, and test those wires before you bench-prep the alarm.

I would do one or both of the following:

1. Open car window, close hatch, hood, doors, lock doors with OEM remote. Wait at least 1 minute, then reach in through window and open hood. Does anything happen?

2. Find the wire listed on the tech sheet, and test if it indeed does turn to a ground when the hood is open.

I got pkall programmed and my car starts fine with key. However I can't remember the steps to remote start the car on a manual transmission.

It's a viper 5704.

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Here is a link to the 5704 Owners Guide :  https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/OG/Viper/G5704V%202011-08%20web2.pdf

See Page 37 for MTS Mode.

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The remote says remote start error.

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do any ignition lights come on as if its attempting to try to remote start? do you get  a number of parking light flashes to indicate a potential reason for the failed start,is the safety toggle switch plugged in and switched to on, has tach been learned before attempting to remote start, has neutral safety wire been connected to parking brake. can reservation mode be set ok when doing exit procedure before leaving and arming vehicle?

quite a few things that could potentially cause issues and prevent a remote start

Use the Viper 5904 Install guide & Shutdown Diagnostics to help define the problem.

Below is an excerpt from the install guide :

MTS - Manual Transmission Start diagnostics
When enabling MTS, if you get a failure notification from the remote or the vehicle fails to remain started
check for following:
1 Tachometer not connected or programmed.
2 E-brake not connected to the remote start unit. The BLACK/ white H2/18 neutral safety wire must have
  a ground when the parking brake is set.
3 Foot must be off the brake when activating the MTS mode on the remote.
4 Is the door open when enabling the MTS mode? If so this would cause the unit to enter Pit Stop Mode
  and the remote start will continue to run when arming/locking the system.
5 Is the door input connected? The system needs to see a door open then close after initiating the remote
  start.
6 Does the vehicle have a delayed dome light? If you are connected to the dome light wire and the
  dome light is staying on after arming/locking the system, the system can exit the MTS mode.
7 Make sure the neutral safety switch is plugged in and turned on.

MTS mode exiting diagnostics:
If the remote start has entered the MTS mode but exits the mode after the system is armed/locked. Check
these for possible causes.
1 The vehicle door has been opened or the security system has been triggered in your absence.
2 Does the vehicle have a delayed dome light circuit or does the dome light come on when the ignition
  is shut off? If so you may need to go to the independent door inputs of the vehicle.
3 If you are connected to the dome light wire in the vehicle and cannot connect the system to the
  individual door inputs of the vehicle due to it having normally closed door inputs, you can use the
  Xpresskit DTIMAZDA module or Tech Tip # 1921 at www.directechs.com to interface with these
  types of circuits.
4 The E-brake wire connected to the neutral safety input of the system loses ground when ignition
  is turned off or after a certain amount of time, with these vehicles unfortunately there is no workaround.
5 The E-brake wire connected to the neutral safety input of the system has a poor ground. Clean the
  contacts on the switch or replace the switch.

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I didn't have it learn the tach. I'll try that over the weekend and respond back with results. I'm sure I'm missing a few other things.

Is there anything else after the alarm install that needs to be programmed or changed from default settings?

How can I be sure the door triggers work to tell if a door is open?

Also when I press unlock all doors unlock. Is there a way to get only the drivers door to unlock first before pressing unlock again for the rest?

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to test door triggers just arm the viper and then unlock door with key and open it,as long as the wires are connected to the right wire it should set the alarm off,and for the progressive unlocking  you would need to use a relay and the 5 wire method,the alrms unlock wire would then got to one of the connections on the relay and a second wire marked in install guide as 2nd unlock would go to the wire you originally had connected to for unlock.

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~58938

could only find the 2002 model wiring info on here but hopefully they are similar to save time.

accordingto the info you would need the relay on the YELLOW /GREEN wire for the driver priority unlock, connect your dmm to this wire and hit unlock on the remote and see what the wire pulses to  + or  - 12v. i would assume +12v but as usual test first and then test again.

relay 86 and 87 +12v ,85 - unlock output, YELLOW /GREEN lock motor wire cut in half and connect one side to 30 and other to 87a.

if the motor pulses to ground when you hit unlock then 87 goes to ground, just test first to see what polarity the motor switches to on that wire for unlock

ok after looking around and finding a few manuals to look at wiring info either i need to go to bed and rest my tired eyes or dei has done away with the 2nd unlock wire as i couldnt find it in any of the info. do any of the regular pro's know more about if this has gone? its an option in the programming menus but i cant find the wire listed in any of the harnesses

ok im gonna be doing an install of a 5704 in my brothers f350 tomorrow and now have a basic install guide to look over.

for second unlock any of the aux channels now have the option to be used for that feature as opposed to the original dedicated wire that used to be in the older harnesses,i will scan and upload the basic but usefull two sided sheet, it has the menu programming options as well which include a bit more.

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/downloads.asp?srch=all&term=5704

quick install guide and programming menus in case you dont have it

kreg357 wrote:

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Yes, that sounds correct for a N.O. interlock switch.    If it's the same as the Civic and has a Yellow connector with the Orange output wire, you could connect the (-) 200 mA Starter Output directly to that Orange wire ( no relay needed ).

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No orange wire but I do have a yellow plug. How can I find out which wire it is by testing it ?

Also, how do I make it learn the tach ?

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So today the alarm kept going off after replacing the battery. Cut the trunk pin/trigger wire to see if it was an add on sensor. Stopped going off. But remote still reported an error. So I checked if I wired the trunk pin wire was correct. I have a diode and the stripe end is towards the oem plug not the alarm wire.

Any ideas?


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I am installing the 5704v model alarm on my 2003 Dodge truck with a cummins.  I have the Direct paper work for my year of truck also.  I cannot figure out where some of these wires go.  So I was hoping if I listed them here someone could tell me to the side as to where I would put them or which ones they go to for my truck.  The Direct paperwork and the alarm paper work is not real specific on it, or I dont understand them.  I have found all the wires in the truck that the Direct paper work is talking about.

H2/1 Pink/white          (-)200mA Ignition / Flex relay control output

H2/3 blue/white          (-)200mA 2nd status / rear defogger output.  How does this work, if I hook it to my          mirror defroster would that work the same

H2/4 GREEN/ black        (-)200mA OEM Alarm disarm output

H2/9 dark blue (-)200mA Status output

H2/10 pink     (-)200mA Ignition 1 output

H2/11 WHITE/ black     (-)200mA Aux 3 output, dont think I need or any other of the AUX outputs, correct          me if I am wrong though

H2/18 violet/black     (-)200mA Starter output

H2/21 WHITE/ blue      (-) remote start / turbo timer activation input

H2/22 orange (-) 200mA accessory output

H2/24 GREEN / WHITE    (-) 200mA OEM alarm arm output.  Does this work in conjuction with a relay and the              H2/4 OEM alarm disarm output?

H3/1 Pink     (+) Ignition 1 input/output

H3/2 RED / white        (87) flex relay + 12v input (30A fused) -  does this use a relay because in the instructions I          have it doesn't mention anything about a relay

H3/3 Orange (+) accessory output

H3/4 Violet   (+) starter output (car side of the starter kill) 

H3/5 Green (+) Stater input (key side of the starter kill)

H3/6 Red    Ignition 1 + 12v input (30A Fused)

H3/7 Pink/white      (30) flex replay output (car side of ignition, acc or starter wire) 

H3/8 pink black      (87a) flex relay input (key sid of ingition, acc or starter wire if needed)

H3/9 RED / black     accessory/starter relay +12v input (30A fused)

If anyone can help me with these that would be great.  I have an idea of where some of them go, but I would like clairfication.  Also on the ones that say relay, do I need to buy some relays?

Thanks

Ryan 

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