fortin evo and remote start

Hello

I am new to installing remote starters. I installed a few alarms and keyless entries back in the 90's. I would like to install a crimestopper RS00-G3(add on module) and Fortin Evo-Can in my 2004 G35. The first problem I have run into is just hooking up the data cable between the Evo and the remote start. The cable has 3 different connections. One end fits the Evo and the other end has 2 connectors on it. The crimestopper has 2 data ports. 1 marked Evo and the other ADS. The 2 connecters will not fit the one marked EVo, but it does fit the ADS port. So should I hook it to the one marked ADS? Do I have to change the settings in the remote start  from the Evo port which is the default and change it to the ADS port? The manual talks nothing about this cable and I do not want to guess at this. This is an add on system that does not have remotes. It uses the factory remotes.  I have programmed the evo and it does nothing except an amber led lights up when I turn the ignition on with the key.

Thanks JohnT

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

I have contacted Fortin about the data cable problem and they said to just wire in all the connections and not use the data port. The whole reason I bought the Fortin Evo-Can was because of the data port. I am waiting on an answer from crimestopper and see what they say. If the data cable had the same connector on both ends it would work. This seems like a Fortin cable issue.

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

I wire everything directly much more reliable and easier to troubleshoot later if needed

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If i Can't Install it    I Don't need it   Joe

Exactly. Yes data is quick and easy, but in the end it usually takes longer. Whenever wiring up a separate bypass like that I ALWAYS do w2w. It usually only adds on 5 min to the install and it can all be done at the bench. However, lately I've been using Compustar starters with the blade bypasses... best and most efficient setup I have ever seen.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

I've called crimestopper about the same problem with the data ports. The two ports are internally connected to each other. So it doesn't matter which port you use as long as the crimestoppers menu option is set to the correct bypass type. On that note, the ONE unit I did this on with the EVO-Can and a Nissan Rogue caused me all sorts of problems... It was a much neater install, but after the problems started appearing, I had to rewire the two to W2W. It sucks having to change it to W2W while the remote start is wired in the car... I have never tried D2D again after that, it wasted too much time. Like offroadzj said, it only takes 5 minutes on the bench. It takes 30-45 minutes while its in the car...
The communication problem I was having was due to a software problem inside the Crimestopper. They fixed it in later brains. So they say, but I'm not testing it..LOL. When I called Fortin, they asked me the date code from the Crimestopper and they knew about the problem and told me to use W2W instead. That solved ALL my problems.
This Nissan Rouge took me almost 3 hours with the trouble shooting, calling Fortin, and rewiring. The next Rogue took me an hour.

Well I learned something else tonight. Fortin finally answered my question on why the data cable does not fit my crimestopper r/s. If I bought my evo from a company that sell DEI, it will have the cable for that device. So it looks like mine was not a Fortin dealer.

Door lock wiring on a G35. It says they are in the door.on a module and I have to tap into it after the module because on the input side is data. Is there anywhere else I can tap into it? I need to do a double pulse so it will disarm the alarm and unlock it at the same time.

Can anyone tell me how to run the door look wires in a G35? The wires that are there now are a plug. There is no access to the wiring in between the door. I would hate to drill a hole so looking for a professional opinion.

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Does the G35 have the Factory Alarm?

If yes, why go into the door?  Follow this Fortin EVO-ALL install guide for your car and make the
connection at the BCM using diodes ( with the CrimeStoppers lock wires soldered on ) inserted into
the empty pin locations shown.   https://ifar.ca/download/4211/preview.html   See the Type 2 Connection
diagram on Page 7.  The BCM in the DPK is easier to get to than trying to run wires into the door.

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Soldering is fun!

Funny, Crimestopper told me it depended when the EVO was made. If it was made earlier it had the clip and if it was made later it didn't have the clip. Either way it doesn't really matter, just plug it in the one that it fits in. As for the door locks, follow what Kreg357 said as running in the door is much more of a pain then you think. Especially if you've never taken off a door panel before or even drilled holes and ran wires through a molex plug. To get the wires into the door, you would have to drill through a molex plug in order to get the wires through the rubber boot between the door and car. Much easier to pin the BCM as instructed in the Fortin install manual.

Thanks for info

Question about the lock wires to BCM. I read this, but when I saw that it said connect to the enpty pin slots. I have not looked at it on the bcm. So if the slots are empty, how do you hook wires to it? Are the pins there, but no wire on the pins? Or are there just empty slots no pins in the slots. IF the pins are in the slots then no problem.

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

The slots are empty, You can either strip the insulation off the door lock wires about an inch or so. Once you strip the wire using your fingers twist the copper wire exposed tight and insert the wire into the empty slot till it hits bottom.
Or, you can solder the door lock wire to the end of the leg of a diode and insert the Leg into the empty slot till it hits bottom.
Either way you do it, leave a little slack in the door lock wires and wire tie it to the surrounding bunch of wires from that BCM plug. Use 2 wire ties, a lower one and one higher up the factory wires. Also, leave slack in between the 2 zip ties. This way if the wire gets tugged, the wires won't be pulling out of the slots.

Hello again

Let me start be saying I got the data cable to work. It locks the doors, monitors the door switch, hood pin, brake switch. When I pulse the start activation wire(grounding 3 times) from the r/s, the car starts. So thats a good thing. Now the fortin diagram shows the doors need to be wired for lock and unlock from the r/s. I am using my factory remotes with this, so why is this needed? I tried to plug in these wires to the empty spots on my bcm like it says. It did nothing. I also tried plugging in the start activation wire to the lock spot on the bcm and it did nothing. I am supposed to hit lock 3 times for the car to start. I have not tied the start activation and the lock wire from the r/s to the lock spot on bcm. These wires do not seem to make a good connection when I push them into the slots.  When I push on the lock wire, I can hear a click from up in the dash. Sounds like a relay. I tried to keep pressure on the wire, just to make sure it is touching and tried to start it, but it did nothing. I seem to be getting close to finished, but have run into a snag.

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

John07 You are absolutely correct, for the RS-00 for crimestopper, you do not need to hook up the lock/unlock wires to the BCM. You would only need to do this if you were using an aftermarket remote starter that came with remotes and had keyless entry buttons on it. Since the RS-00 doesn't come with aftermarket remotes and is activated by the factory Key Fob you don't need to wire in the blue/green lock wires from the crimestopper to the BCM. You do however need to connect the green (-)activation wire coming off the red 3 pin plug to the drivers door lock motor wire. This wire is located at the BCM and is Purple in the black plug Pin. It will test as a Positive on your meter when you hit lock either on the keyfob or the door panel. You will need to add a relay to change the Positive pulse you get when you hit lock to a negative pulse.

Thank you very much for this needed info. Do you happen to know the BCM pin # for this hookup.

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

I could only see a clear picture of the unlock wire which was yellow at pin A4. It looks like from the picture I've seen that the plug has two rows of pins. It looks like the Purple wire you are looking for is in the row above A1 or A2. As always, test with your meter...

I am almost done with this project. Everything seems to be working  with the data cable hookup. I hooked up 2 relays. One for the Anti grind and one to reverse the door lock trigger polarity. I added 2 diodes for the GWR like it said in the manual if hooking it to 2 different things.  I noticed that a red led stays lit up on the Evo-Can after the car has shut off. This is either with the key or remote start. After it remote starts, I get a red and a yellow while running. I just think it's weird that a light would stay on all the time. Wondering if this is normal. One other thing I noticed is that after a remote start the factory alarm led stays on solid while driving.

Any thoughts?

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

I just figured out why the factory alarm led stays on after remote start. I just looked at the evo wiring diagram and it just dawned on my that I didn't hook up the part that talks about the security light. For some reason I thought it was talking about the dome light. My bad. So this should be an easy fix.

John

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Hello again

Ok I have one more problem. The crimestopper GWR wire is showing a ground all the time. I disconnected everything connected to this wire and the ground is still there. This ground is what is making the Fortin unit have a red led on it all the time. I can only think this is a bad R/S unit. Everything else still works. Is there a way around this or should I send it back for an exchange.  Boy I though I was done with this project but I guess not.

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

You can try using the ORANGE / white wire in the 3 pin red harness. I Never tried to substitute the GWR yellow/black wire before. I don't see why it wouldn't work in your case.

Hello
I am using tachless mode right now. If I decide to hook up a tach wire, do I hook up the tach wire from the bypass or the r/s or both. This was a little confusing because the bypass and the r/s both have a lot of the same connections.

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

you just join the Tach wire from the crimestopper to the Fortin Module. After you make the connection, the crimestopper needs to learn that signal. So you start the car, then press the valet switch 5 times. WAIT, the parking lights will respond back with 5 flashes. After the 5th flash press the valet button once, Wait and the parking lights will flash once. Then press the brake pedal once. The crimestopper should respond with 1 parking light flash after you let go of the brake pedal. Turn off the car, and you are done. Though tachless should work fine on that car.

Did the ORANGE / white work for you as a GWR?

It did not work, but I want to try it again. It was getting dark and I was rushing. Will this output be the same as a GWR? This will switch my relays before it starts. I would think it would be ok going to the fortin unit, but I also use it for an anti-grind relay. Question: Is the gwr wire a ground anytime the engine is running or just when remote started?

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Sorry but I meant to ask one more question about the autolight shutdown.Lt blue/black from fortin to driver door pin. What does this do? I noticed when I remote start and get into car and shut the door, I have to turn on a domelight so I can see the key slot. Does this fix this or is it talking about the headlights?

Thanks very much!

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Its triggered only when remote started just like the GWR, It should work well. The GWR wire might come on a second before the ORANGE / white. I don't think it will matter in your specific installation though. If you are using it to trigger a relay for anti-grind you need to put 2 diodes on that ORANGE / white wire. It shows you how on the top of page 4 in the installation manual.

Its talking about the headlights.

Hello

The ORANGE / white did work as a GWR. Works pretty well. When you said it triggered only when remote started then I knew it had to work. Now back to this Lt blue/black wire from the Fortin unit to door trigger that says autolight shutdown. What exactly does this do? I may need to hook this up. Also how would you recommend me fix my problem with the domelight and the key light going off as soon as I shut the door.The inside is pitch black. When I I enter the car normally, the domelight and key light stay on until I turn the key to ignition.  Any thoughts?

Thanks a lot

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Thats because the car is running. start the car with the key, open the door and close it. The dome light will do the same thing. Thats just the way the car is.. There is nothing you would be able to do with the remote start unit you have.
As for the door pin wire off the Fortin, hook it up. If the Fortin bypass didn't need it, then they would have left it out of the install manual. Sometimes instead of getting this wire at the BCM, you can usually find it in the drivers side running board, Same color - white

Hello again

Well I hooked up the Fortin bypass autolight shutdown wire (lt. blue/black) to the door pin switch. It does not seem to do anything. I tried to find the white wire in the wires going to rear of car, but did not find it. Well I did find a white wire, but it did nothing when I pushed the door switch. It is yellow at BCM and changes to white somewhere. There were 2 yellow wires that both had grey rings on it that both acted the same when I pushed the door switch. Both wires were grounded when door was open and open when the door was closed. I hooked it to one of those wires. I turned on the autolight and shut the door. I remote started it and figured it would turn the headlights off, but it flashed the headlights twice and left them on while starting. What exactly is this wire supposed to do?

Thanks

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Well I have found new information about the autolight shutdown function. It looks like this only works if your in idle or pitstop mode. This is what I have found on this: Auto Light Shutdown: When idle mode or pit stop mode is activated the EVO-ALL will automatically simulate the door opening to turn OFF the vehicle's auto-lights. WIth my system being a system which uses the factory remotes, I am not even sure if I can even get into idle down or pitstop mode. So this may not even be needed in my case. I will have to see if I can get into this mode using my factory remote. It looks like it needs a start button which I do not have. I use the lock button 3 time to start mine.

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe

Well I have one more thing to mention about the autolight shutdown from the Fortin unit. I was reading on another forum and happen to come across this. The autolight function has to see the door open and close for it to work. IF the door does not open and close the lights will never cut off. Now I understand why the fortin unit needs this hookup to the door switch. I just tried mine by opening the door and counting and the lights stay on for 45 seconds. If I remote start it, I just noticed the lights come on nomally, but when I remote start it and then abort it, the light are not shuting off at all. I finally see why this autolight shutdown wire is so important. I need to figure out why this is not working on mine. The wire tested right, but another wire also tested right. I guess a need to find the correct wire and be done with this project. Boy I thought I was done, but maybe after this I will be.

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John T
2004 Infiniti G35 Coupe