viper 4103xv and db all wire identity que

I’m in the process of installing a Viper 4103XV and DB-ALL bypass module but ran into a couple issues trying to identify some of the wiring.  I’ve read the manuals over and over again and read many forum threads on here and elsewhere.   There’s been lots of great helpful information but still stuck.  It looks like many Trailblazer users are going with the D2D method to make things easier.  From the looks of the DB-ALL instructions, all that’s needed is the Pin 2 of the Blue Connector (Violet / YELLOW Wire) to go to the Purple OBDII and the D2D wire connected to the Remote Start module. DB-ALL Manual [URL="https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=7255&productid=461&firmwareid=2683"]https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=7215&productid=461&firmwareid=2671[/URL]

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Question #1 Do the other connectors on the DB-ALL have to be hooked up if not using any wires?  The instructions aren’t all that clear but sort of sounds like they have to be for some reason.  I have it loaded with the current firmware for the Trailblazer. 

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Question #2 Is there a specific wire that needs to be hooked up to operate the heated seats/defrosters once below 32 deg or is it all done through the D2D?

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Question #3 Does the wiring below look correct or have I missed something?

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Full Installation Manual [URL="https://www.12voltdistributors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Viper_4103XV_Installation_Guide.pdf"]https://www.12voltdistributors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Viper_4103XV_Installation_Guide.pdf[/URL]

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[B]Primary harness (H1) wiring diagram[/B]

H1/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM

H1/2 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY REARM

H1/3 YELLOW (+) IGNITION OUT (TO ALARM)

H1/4 WHITE/ BLUE (-) ACTIVATION INPUT

H1/5 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED

H1/6 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN OUTPUT[COLOR="Red"]<-- BLACK / YELLOW Horn wire at steering wheel column connector[/COLOR]

H1/7 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT

H1/8 BLACK GROUND[COLOR="red"]<--Connect to a solid ground[/COLOR]

H1/9 WHITE (+/-) LIGHT FLASH OUTPUT

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[B]4-pin satellite harness diagram[/B]

1 BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT

2 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT[COLOR="red"]<-- Brown Accessory2 wire at steering column connector?[/COLOR]

3 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT[COLOR="red"]<--Yellow Starter wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]

4 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION OUTPUT[COLOR="red"]<--Connect to Pink Ignition1 wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]

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[B]Heavy gauge relay wiring diagram [/B]

1 PINK (+) OUTPUT TO IGNITION CIRCUIT [COLOR="red"]<--Pink Ignition1 wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]

2 PURPLE (+) OUTPUT TO STARTER CIRCUIT[COLOR="red"]<--Yellow Starter wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]

3 ORANGE (+) OUTPUT TO ACCESSORY CIRCUIT[COLOR="red"]<-- Orange Accessory1 wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]

4 RED (+) (30A)) HIGH CURRENT 12 INPUT[COLOR="red"]<--RED / White 12V Constant at steering column connector[/COLOR]

5 PINK/WHITE (+) PROGRAMMABLE OUTPUT FOR ACCESSORY OR IGNITION[COLOR="red"]<-- White Ignition2 wire at steering column connector??[/COLOR]

6 RED (+) (30A) HIGH CURRENT 12V INPUT[COLOR="red"]<-- Red 12V Constant at steering column connector[/COLOR]

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[B]Door lock harness, 3-pin connector[/B]

1 BLUE (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT

2 EMPTY NOT USED

3 GREEN (-) LOCK OUTPUT

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[B]Remote start harness (H2) wiring diagram[/B]

H2/1 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT

H2/2 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT WIRE

H2/3 BROWN (+) BRAKE SWITCH SHUTDOWN WIRE[COLOR="red"]<--White Brake wire at factory trailer prep control box mounted on top of Under Dash Panel [/COLOR]

H2/4 GRAY (-) HOOD PINSWITCH SHUTDOWN WIRE[COLOR="red"]<-- Connected to the Switch to be mounted under the hood[/COLOR]H2/5 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT

I’m in the process of installing a Viper 4103XV and DB-ALL bypass module in my 2007 Trailblazer SS but ran into a couple issues trying to identify some of the wiring.  I’ve read the manuals over and over again and read many forum threads on here and elsewhere.   There’s been lots of great helpful information but still stuck.  It looks like many Trailblazer users are going with the D2D method to make things easier.  From the looks of the DB-ALL instructions, all that’s needed is the Pin 2 of the Blue Connector (Violet / YELLOW Wire) to go to the Purple OBDII and the D2D wire connected to the Remote Start module. DB-ALL Manual [URL="https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=7255&productid=461&firmwareid=2683"]https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=7215&productid=461&firmwareid=2671[/URL]

Question #1 Do the other connectors on the DB-ALL have to be hooked up if not using any wires?  The instructions aren’t all that clear but sort of sounds like they have to be for some reason.  I have it loaded with the current firmware for the Trailblazer. 

Question #2 Is there a specific wire that needs to be hooked up to operate the heated seats/defrosters once below 32 deg or is it all done through the D2D?

Question #3 Does the wiring below look correct or have I missed something?

Full Installation Manual [URL="https://www.12voltdistributors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Viper_4103XV_Installation_Guide.pdf"]https://www.12voltdistributors.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Viper_4103XV_Installation_Guide.pdf[/URL]

[B]Primary harness (H1) wiring diagram[/B]
H1/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM
H1/2 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY REARM
H1/3 YELLOW (+) IGNITION OUT (TO ALARM)
H1/4 WHITE/ BLUE (-) ACTIVATION INPUT
H1/5 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED
H1/6 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN OUTPUT[COLOR="Red"]<-- BLACK / YELLOW Horn wire at steering wheel column connector[/COLOR]
H1/7 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT
H1/8 BLACK GROUND[COLOR="red"]<--Connect to a solid ground[/COLOR]
H1/9 WHITE (+/-) LIGHT FLASH OUTPUT

[B]4-pin satellite harness diagram[/B]
1 BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT
2 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT[COLOR="red"]<-- Brown Accessory2 wire at steering column connector?[/COLOR]
3 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT[COLOR="red"]<--Yellow Starter wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]
4 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION OUTPUT[COLOR="red"]<--Connect to Pink Ignition1 wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]

[B]Heavy gauge relay wiring diagram [/B]
1 PINK (+) OUTPUT TO IGNITION CIRCUIT [COLOR="red"]<--Pink Ignition1 wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]
2 PURPLE (+) OUTPUT TO STARTER CIRCUIT[COLOR="red"]<--Yellow Starter wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]
3 ORANGE (+) OUTPUT TO ACCESSORY CIRCUIT[COLOR="red"]<-- Orange Accessory1 wire at steering column connector[/COLOR]
4 RED (+) (30A)) HIGH CURRENT 12 INPUT[COLOR="red"]<--RED / White 12V Constant at steering column connector[/COLOR]
5 PINK/WHITE (+) PROGRAMMABLE OUTPUT FOR ACCESSORY OR IGNITION[COLOR="red"]<-- White Ignition2 wire at steering column connector??[/COLOR]
6 RED (+) (30A) HIGH CURRENT 12V INPUT[COLOR="red"]<-- Red 12V Constant at steering column connector[/COLOR]

[B]Door lock harness, 3-pin connector[/B]
1 BLUE (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT
2 EMPTY NOT USED
3 GREEN (-) LOCK OUTPUT

When the DBALL is connected via D2D to the Viper 4103, it doesn't require any other wires but the D2D 4-pin harness. The only wire you will use from the DBALL to the car is the Violet / YELLOW wire of the blue 14-pin connector the goes to pin 2 of the OBD connector (usually a viole wire on GM vehicles). All other harnesses on the DBALL do NOT need to be plugged in since they have no connections when using D2D.

The heated seats/defrosters turn on automatically via the Data wire when the engine is under 32 degrees (default level). This feature must be enabled (it is disabled by default) in the DBALL programming section on page 5 of the manual.



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The Heated Seats and Defroster can be programmed in the DB-ALL.  See page 5 of the install guide, Features 4 and 5.

If you are going D2D, the DB-ALL will only have the D2D harness and the OBD2 Data wire connected.  Everything else ( all the blue dashed wires ) should go thru
the D2D comm.

There is a Pictorial on this vehicle.  Here is a link :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~130514~PN~1  Should be helpful for the ignition and horn
wires.

There are some minor errors with the 4 Pin Satellite harness.
Pins 1, 3 and 4 won't be used.  Pin 2 will be used to control an extra 30/40 Amp SPDT relay for the vehicles Brown ACC2 wire.  Relay wiring listed in Pictorial.

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What i've marked as DBALL means it's taken care of by the DBALL and doesn't need any further connections from the Viper unit to the vehicle. All others marked as NOT USED aren't needed for this setup.

Primary harness (H1) wiring diagram
H1/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM - DBALL
H1/2 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY REARM - DBALL
H1/3 YELLOW (+) IGNITION OUT (TO ALARM)- NOT USED
H1/4 WHITE/ BLUE (-) ACTIVATION INPUT - NOT USED
H1/5 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED - NOT USED
H1/6 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN OUTPUT[COLOR="Red"]<-- BLACK / YELLOW Horn wire at steering wheel column connector - LOOKS GOOD!
H1/7 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT - DBALL
H1/8 BLACK GROUND[COLOR="red"]<--Connect to a solid ground - LOOKS GOOD!
H1/9 WHITE (+/-) LIGHT FLASH OUTPUT - GRAY/BLACK NEGATIVE WIRE AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH - CHANGE POLARITY ON 4103 TO NEGATIVE

4-pin satellite harness diagram
1 BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT - DBALL
2 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT<-- Brown Accessory2 wire at steering column connector? - MUST USE A RELAY SINCE THE ACC IS HIGH POWER POSITIVE WIRE - RELAY SETUP SHOWN BELOW
3 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT - NOT USED
4 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION OUTPUT - NOT USED

Heavy gauge relay wiring diagram
1 PINK (+) OUTPUT TO IGNITION CIRCUIT <--Pink Ignition1 wire at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD!
2 PURPLE (+) OUTPUT TO STARTER CIRCUIT <--Yellow Starter wire at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD!
3 ORANGE (+) OUTPUT TO ACCESSORY CIRCUIT <-- Orange Accessory1 wire at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD!
4 RED (+) (30A)) HIGH CURRENT 12 INPUT <--RED 12V Constant at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD!
5 PINK/WHITE (+) PROGRAMMABLE OUTPUT FOR ACCESSORY OR IGNITION <-- White Ignition2 wire at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD! - MAKE SURE TO PROGRAM TO 2ND IGN IN VIPER SETTINGS TO PREVENT CEL
6 RED (+) (30A) HIGH CURRENT 12V INPUT <-- Red 12V Constant at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD!

Door lock harness, 3-pin connector
1 BLUE (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT - DBALL
2 EMPTY NOT USED- LOOKS GOOD!
3 GREEN (-) LOCK OUTPUT -DBALL

For the 2nd Accessory relay, you would setup as follows -
PIn 85 & 87 - 12v Fused Constant
Pin 86 - to orange of 4-pin satellite harness
Pin 30 - to Brown ACC2 wire at the Steering Column Ignition Connector

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Thanks for the quick responses!  I have the DB-ALL programmed and ready to go with the heated seats/defrosters enabled.

kreg357,  I've read your tutorial over and over and it's helped clarify a lot when it comes time to go to the vehicle.  Since only Pin 2 of the satellite harness will be used for the brown ACC2 like you mentioned,  which pins would be utilized once you cut the Yellow IGN wire?  I was thinking harness side to Satellite Pin 3 and Keyside pin 2 of they heavy gauge relay plug. 

Relay wiring:

Relay Pin 85 to Viper Pin 2 of Satellite (-) 200mA Accessory Output wire.
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant fused at 25 Amps
Relay Pin 30 to truck Brown ACC2 wire<-- just tapped via solder to wire and not cut correct?

I took a bit long to type up the info but the pictorial that kreg357 stated is great. Make sure to check it out as it will help you alot.

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Frank,  Thanks so much for clarifying the wiring information!  From reading other places, everyone has stated you must cut the Yellow start wire is this correct?  If so is one end not used anymore or both be used by the remote start unit?  I know the below wire uses the yellow starter so basically do I just tap into it like all the others or cut and have overlooked one side for the connections?

Heavy gauge relay wiring diagram
2 PURPLE (+) OUTPUT TO STARTER CIRCUIT <--Yellow Starter wire at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD

Think you are trying to do a Starter Kill circuit.  While upscale Viper units have this built-in, yours does not.  Here is a link to the relay wiring from the 12Volt.
https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page2.asp   The top circuit is correct for your system.

You can accomplish Starter Kill with the following relay circuit ( specific to your Viper and vehicle ).

Relay Pin 85 to Viper H1/5 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED
Relay Pin 86 to Viper H3/1 Pink ( or Trailblazer ING1 Pink )
Relay Pin 30 to Trailblazer Starter - cut wire - vehicle side   *** Also connect Viper H3/2 Purple Starter wire
Relay Pin 87A  to Trailblazer Starter - cut wire - switch side
Relay Pin 87 - not used

Frank has supplied the ACC2 relay wiring above ( which Howard will improve upon   ) and it's listed in the Pictorial.

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kreg, in your pictorial, it says the Trailblazer doesn't need the anti-grind relay setup. Since this Viper is only remote start, will he still need to cut the starter wire?



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Nope. not for Anti-Grind, as the Trailblazer has this feature already built in. Just connect the Viper H3/2 Violet directly to the uncut Trailblazer Yellow Starter wire.

 If the OP wants some type of Starter Kill, then a cut is required.  Wiring shown above.

Personally, unless customer requested, I try to stay away from cutting any ignition wires.  I solder everything, but adding a relay to any circuit introduces a possible point of failure.

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kreg357 wrote:

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Nope. not for Anti-Grind, as the Trailblazer has this feature already built in. Just connect the Viper H3/2 Violet directly to the uncut Trailblazer Yellow Starter wire.

 If the OP wants some type of Starter Kill, then a cut is required.  Wiring shown above.

Personally, unless customer requested, I try to stay away from cutting any ignition wires.  I solder everything, but adding a relay to any circuit introduces a possible point of failure.

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Fantastic!! Thanks so much to you and Frank for all your help!  I'll tackle the install tomorrow.  Looks like on the programming all I need to  the 2ND IGN IN VIPER SETTINGS TO PREVENT CEL and to set it as automatic transmission.  Hopefully that won't be too confusing lol  

Might want to switch to Engine Checking = Tach Mode ( if it doesn't do it automatically ) and do a Tach Learn.   ( Not a big fan of Virtual Tach ) 

If the Tach Learn is not successful, you might have to hardwire the Tach between the DB-ALL and the Viper.

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Kregg, no way can Howard improve on the job you and Frank have done here.
I must further agree with Kregg though on NEVER cutting the ignition, does the OP want a poor (it can happen to all of us) or dry joint to come apart at 70mph whilst you're passing someone?

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

kreg357 wrote:

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Might want to switch to Engine Checking = Tach Mode ( if it doesn't do it automatically ) and do a Tach Learn.   ( Not a big fan of Virtual Tach ) 

If the Tach Learn is not successful, you might have to hardwire the Tach between the DB-ALL and the Viper.

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I'll go ahead and hardwire that wire before the install to not have to worry about it.

Well it's all installed and looks to be working properly!

I do have a couple programming questions though.

#1. Does the DB-ALL auto sense manual or automatic tranny? I don't see a programming option to change it.

#2. Frank mentioned to program the 2nd IGN in the viper. How would it know if it's properly programmed?

5 PINK/WHITE (+) PROGRAMMABLE OUTPUT FOR ACCESSORY OR IGNITION <-- White Ignition2 wire at steering column connector - LOOKS GOOD! - MAKE SURE TO PROGRAM TO 2ND IGN IN VIPER SETTINGS TO PREVENT CEL MAKE SURE TO PROGRAM TO 2ND IGN IN VIPER SETTINGS TO PREVENT CEL

Both covered by the Viper (not DBall) programming.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

X2 with Howard.

Don't think the Viper 4103 is manual trans capable.  Didn't see any programming option for it in the install guide found in the Downloads section.

The Viper should come set for Flex Relay = IGN2 as that is the Factory Default setting.  As far as verifying it is a IGN2 output, put a DMM on it and watch it thru a remote start cycle.  It shouldn't drop during cranking as an accessory circuit does. 

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Ok it looks like everything is working like it should!  Thanks again for the help!!

kreg, you are correct, the 4103 is for auto trans only.

Glad to hear it's all working. Great job!!

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