2011 crv no fire

Hi I'm in the process of putting a viper 5301 with a DB-ALL D2D in a 2011 Honda CRV 2WD. My problem is when it turns over I'm not getting ignition? I have a bit writer and I set it to auto and virtual tach. When I did a volt test at the pink ignition wire I was barely seeing .04 volts? The red with white wire has voltage. It still won't start even if I put the key in the ignition and use the remote starter. So I don't think it the module. If I put the key in and turn it to start then use the remote it will fire. I see 12v at the pink wire. I used a jumper wire to the ignition and it tries to fire, but it shuts down immediately. Almost seems like it wants to, but then it stops the starter. I read on the site of people having like problems and they fixed it by using wire to wire so I did that too and still the same results. Another weird thing is that when I use the key to start the car it starts fine runs and drives, but when I turn the car off the 5301 makes a funny noise. I'm lost on this any help would be great!

Hard to say exactly what is wrong, but here are some things to check.

Make sure the BD-ALL is flashed with the 401.HONDA4 v2.15 firmware.  Did the DB-ALL follow the programming
steps and respond exactly as shown in the install guide?

Stay with W2W and connect Tach wire, Viper Violet/White to DB-ALL 12 Pin connector, Pin 5, Violet/White. 
Program Viper for Engine Sensing = Tach, Menu 3, Item 2, Opt 4 and do a Tach Learn.

Viper 5301 to 2011 CR-V for heavy gauge ignition wires.

H3/1 Pink       to CR-V Blue @ Ignition Harness
H3/2 RED / White         to CR-V White @ Ignition Harness
H3/3 Orange              to CR-V Orange @ Ignition Harness
H3/4 Violet                  to CR-V Yellow @ Ignition Harness
H3/5 Red        to CR-V White @ Ignition Harness
H3/6 Pink/White         to CR-V Red @ Ignition Harness  ***Set Viper Flex Relay to ACC2, Menu 3, Item 8, Opt 2
H3/7 Pink/Black         Not Used
H3/8 RED / Black         to CR-V White @ Ignition Harness

Double check all Viper fuses, removed from holder, with DMM.  Verify Viper Chassis Ground connection.

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Thanks man I'll recheck that, and yes the DB-ALL programming went just like the directions read.

Funny Noises are sometimes associated with a Poor Ground... May be other issues, but check ground first(Per Mr. Kreg)...

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Well I checked everything out, ground, power, fuses. The DB-ALL turns green when I program it and flashes green when I try to remote start it. Still no power to the ignition (pink) wire. I used a jumper wire again and once it seem to want to start the unit shuts the starter down? i'm stumped!!!

Bad Viper unit??  Not too likely, but...

Use a DMM to vefiry +12V constant power at H3/5 Red, after the fuse.  That is the wire that supplies the H3/1
Pink Ignition output wire.

Does the Viper flash any ShutDown error code?  You could try doing the ShutDown Diagnostics, too.

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Sorry I should have posted that I also swapped out the unit and it still does the same thing. I tested that wire all the way to the viper unit and I still get 12v there. No shutdown code either just tries to keep starting. What closes the circuit in the viper to send power to the ignition?

The heavy gauge ignition outputs on H3 are all relay controlled.  ( Internal relays mounted on the Vipers PCB. )

During a remote start attempt, is there a little Green Key symbol ( security ) flashing on the instrument panel?

Do the other Viper functions work OK?  Lock, unlock, parking light flash, Tach Learn, etc.  With two Viper units giving the same problem symptoms it comes back to a wiring or ground issue. 

As a test, you could leave H3/1 connected ( it also acts as an input so the Viper can monitor the ignition switch ) and use the Vipers' thin Pink (-)200mA Ignition Output wire to control an external relay that is also connected to the CR-V's Ignition wire.  Test the  Pink (-)200mA Ignition Output first to verify it is working correctly during a remote start. 

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In te W2W mode, is the H3/1 Pink connected to both the cars Blue(+) ignition wir and the Pink ignition wire on the DB-ALL 10 pin conector?

And are the single wire CAN and the IMMO connected

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There's no key icon, but the anti-theft light still blinks.... could it be that? All the other features work great lock, unlock, lights flash, tach learn light up and I hear the click sound from the unit. I have all three pink wires going to the blue wire in the CRV. Should I only use one? I'll have to try the relay test.

Three Pink wires??  I only see one from the viper 5301 and one from the 10 pin connector of the DB-ALL to the ignition 1 of the car on the wiring diagram of the DB-ALL.

How about the ORANGE / black to the immobilizer and the light green to the single wire CAN?

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There's an 18 pin connector that has a pink ignition wire.

Yes the immobilizer and the CAN wires are connected. If I put the key into the ignition it still won't start, but if I turn it to start then use the remote starter it will run. When I turn the key back it dies.

I would like to say thank you to all you guys who are helping me out on this! I know it's got to be frustrating trying to solve other people's problems, but thank you!!!

There should be only two Pink wires connected to the CR-V's Blue ignition wire.  Is one of the Pink wires from the Viper 18 Pin connector labeled (-)200mA Ignition Output?  That is a (-) signal and should not be used / connected to the other (+) Ignition wires.

Perhaps it would be best if you listed all the Viper harnesses and their wire connections.  

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Times two with Kreg.  Listing all the wires from the 5301 and the DB-ALL and what wire the are connected to either on the car or the Viper 5301 might allow us to get somewhat of a idea as to what is going on.

And as stated by Kreg the pink from the Viper 5301 is not connected to anything at this time. Used to drive a relay. Disconnect it.

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Should have 9 wires from the 12 pin connector from the DB-ALL, 3 wires from the 14 pin, and 5 wires from the 10 pin connector that will be used for your install going W2W.

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H1
RED / white   (-) 200ma trunk release output    -To DB-ALL RED / white
red (+) 12vdc constant input     - White CRV
brown (-) horn honk output     -not used
WHITE/ brown light flash isolation wire     -not used
black (-) ground       -vehicle ground
violet (+) door triger input     -not used
blue factory horn input    -not used
green (-) door triger input n/c or n/o   -to DB-ALL GREEN / WHITE
BLACK/ white (-) dome light output -not used
WHITE/ blue(-) remote start/ tutbo timer activation input    -not used
white parking light output    -not used
orange(-) ground when armed output   -blue white DB-ALL


H2
light GREEN/ black factory alarm disarm output   -not used
ORANGE / black aux 4 output   -not used
GREEN / WHITE factory alarm arm output   -not used
violet/black aux 2 ouput   -not used
WHITE/ black aux 3 output   -not used
WHITE/ violet aux 1 output   -not used
gray/black diesel wait to start -not used
empty
violet/white tack input   -violet/white DB-ALL
dark/blue status output   -not used
pink/white flex relay control output   -not used
orange accessory output   -not used
purple starter output   -not used
pink ignition 1 output -not connected anymore!
grey hood pin   -DB-ALL blue/red
blue/white 2nd statis / rear defrogger output   -not used
brown (+) brake shutdown input   -DB-ALL grey
BLACK/ white neutral safty input   -Vehicle Ground, DB-All yellow/black (Didn't have it connected to vehicle ground, but I got an error code 8 from the viper. So I ground the wire and no code.)

H3
pink ignition 1 input/output   -Blue CRV
RED / white fused (30a) ignition 2 flex relay input 87   -White CRV
orange accesory output   -Orange CRV
violet starter output   -Yellow CRV
red fused (30a) igniton 1 input   -White CRV
pink/white ignition 2 / flex relay output   -Red CRV
pink/black flex relay input 87a key side if required   -not used
RED / black fused (30a) accessory/ starter input    -White CRV

DB-ALL based on type 2 install

14
lt. green SW CAN    - pink CRV
red 12v    - white CRV
black ground   -Vehicle ground

12
BLACK/ white lock   -blue CRV
GREEN/ black unlock -grey CRV
GREEN / WHITE door status   -H1 green
violet/white tach output -H2 violet/white tack input
grey brake status   -H2 brown
yellow/black handbrake output   -vehicle ground / neutral safety
ORANGE / black immobilizer   -green CRV
blue/red hood status   -H2 grey

10
blue/white GWR   -H1 orange
pink ignition   -blue CRV
RED / white trunk input   -H1 RED / white
blue unlock   -blue viper 2 pin
green lock    -green viper 2 pin

I am headed out to dinner but the first thing I see is the orange Ground When Armed (GWA) does not get connected to the DB-ALL Blue/White.  The H2 Dark Blue status output should be connected to the Blue/White on the 10 Pin connector of the DB-ALL.

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Times two with Mr. Smoke.  Viper GWA is not used.  DB-ALL Blue/White GWR goes to Viper Dark Blue
(-)200ma Status Output.

While it is not causing any problems, why not connect the Viper White Parking Light output to
Parking Lights  Blue (-)  @ headlight switch, WHITE/ black 12 pin plug, pin 11.  Also set the
Viper internal jumper / fuse to (-).

Double check that opening the hood will shutdown the remote started engine.  The DB-ALL Hood
Status signal will only be present if the vehicle has a Factory installed hood pin.  If it does
not shutdown the engine, install the supplied hood pin.  ( This post install testing should
always be done.)

Verify that the Viper's Flex Relay is set to Accessory, Menu 3, Item 8, Opt 2. 
Verify Viper is set to Engine Sensing = Tach Mode ( Menu 3, Item 2, Opt 4 ) and do a Tach Learn.

Everything else looks OK.

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OK to keep it simple I connected the dark blue from the viper to the DB-ALL blue white. MAde sure Acc 2 and tach was set on bitwriter. started engine tach learn fine then turned off key and engine stayed running. I had to disconnect the viper to stop the engine. I tested the viper using ohms to see if the relay was stuck closed but it's not. So I swapped units again and did the same thing. this thing is getting worse not sure what to do now.

gonna pretty much start over triple checking each connection making sure my soldering connections are good too.

H1/10 WHITE/ Blue is not connected anywhere and not touching chassis ground?

BLACK/ white lock -blue CRV
GREEN/ black unlock -grey CRV
GREEN / WHITE door status -H1 green
violet/white tach output -H2 violet/white tack input
grey brake status -H2 brown
yellow/black handbrake output -vehicle ground / neutral safety   Don't ground this pin - just leave it disconnected.
ORANGE / black immobilizer -green CRV
blue/red hood status -H2 grey

Verify everything works properly with the key ( and the Viper disconnected ).  Then connect the Viper and start it with the key.  Turn off the key and if/when it stays running, pull just the fuse on the Red wire at H3/5.  Does the engine stop? 

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Yes when the fuse is pulled it stops. I took it to a buddy in town who installs also and he looked over everything you guy corrected me on and it still does the same thing. I gues this car just doesn't want a remote starter in it!

Either that or both Vipers got whacked.  The fuse on the Viper H3/5 Red wire supplies the Ignition1 relay.  Why that is coming on without an actual remote start command is the problem.

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If it was me, I would connect either one of those units to the car. Take my DMM, put the red test probe on the back side of the heavy harness, on the H3/1 Pink slot, and the black to ground. See if there is 12 volts on it. If there is, maybe hit the brain to see if you can unstick the relay putting the voltage to zero. Then of course try remote start and then shut down to see if it acts normal. Odd that two units act the same.

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