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Topic: bulldog 500, 03 park avenue

Posted By: mopar316
Subject: bulldog 500, 03 park avenue
Date Posted: November 28, 2012 at 2:55 PM

I need to install a bulldog 500 deluxe starter into a 2003 park avenue. Can anybody

give me the options for an interface module to use for the ignition bypass, also would

like it to read the door triggers and trunk popper, to save on the wiring install.

some options would be appreciated, with the brand type.

       thanks ron




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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: November 28, 2012 at 4:34 PM
Both Fortin and idatalink supply modules although it appears only idatalink also does the by-pass.
Check their sites.
Now you could have done that yourself couldn't you.

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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 28, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Looks like your 2003 Buick Park Avenue has the GM PassKey3 system.  Being as the Bulldog Deluxe 500 is
a remote start with keyless entry system, a full featured bypass module is a good choice.  It will do
more than just the transponder bypass for you.  You won't need Door Trigger Inputs, they are for manual
transmission installs.  Here is a link to Fortin for their offerings : 
https://ifar.ca/en/vehicles/buick/park_avenue/2003/  The INT-SL+ is a solid unit and less expensive than
the EVO-ALL.  Here is a link to Directed for their modules : 
https://www.xpresskit.com/VehicleCompatibility.aspx?p=null&year=2003&make=Buick&model=Park%20Avenue&ps=1&s=0&c=0
The DLPKGM is basically a re-badged Fortin INT-SL.

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Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: November 28, 2012 at 6:44 PM

thank you for the information.

so if I buy the xpresskit with DLPKGM software I wont have to run wires to connect

to the door locks, or trunk pop, for them to work? just to the data bus line? is this correct?

     thanks ,ron





Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 28, 2012 at 7:30 PM

Yes.  The DLPKGM comes pre-loaded with firmware, all ready to install.  This install guide
lists the necessary "without D2D" wiring needed with your Bulldog Deluxe 500 system :
https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=6035&productid=125&firmwareid=1633

As noted, it will handle the PK3 bypass, door lock & unlock, trunk pop, factory alarm and
supply a Tach signal.  All of that would be handled by the DLPKGM's one connection to the
vehicles OBD2 plug and the Pink wire connection to the Deluxe 500's H1/4 Yellow wire ( that
goes to the vehicles Pink Ignition1 wire ).  That would leave the ignition wires, brake, hood
pin, chassis ground, horn and parking light wires to connect to the vehicle. 



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Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: November 29, 2012 at 8:23 PM
You can also use the XK01 as it will do everything the DLPKGM does and are usually cheaper and easier to find, But it will need to be flashed to the vehicle specific firmware version AMDL V6.00 for your vehicle.

Current listing on ebay:Item 380522027438 for $17.59 Free shipping




Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 08, 2012 at 11:45 AM

Hello,

 I need to hook the Bulldog 500 to the DLPKGM interface module.

does anybody know what wire on the Bulldog 500 is for the

-- door locks

-- door unlock driver 1

-- door unlock driver 2

-- running status

-- door trigger

thanks in advance  ron





Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: December 08, 2012 at 12:09 PM

DLPKGM to Bulldog Deluxe 500

Running Status goes to H7/1 ( aka 3rd Ignition (-), GWR, (-)Status Output )

Door Trigger goes to H5/6 ( it's a (-) trigger )

Door Lock goes to H6 Green wire with 1N400x diode ( band towards the Deluxe 500 ).

Door Unlock1 goes to H6 Blue wire with 1N400x diode ( band towards the Deluxe 500 ).
Using Unlock1 will do the same things that unlocking the vehicle with factory FOB #1 and
using Unlock2 will do the same things that unlocking the vehicle with factory FOB #2.



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Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 09, 2012 at 5:59 PM

Hello,

 I have a DLPKGM that I have all wired in for without D2D to my Bulldog 500. When I go to

to program the DLPKGM I dont get the red led light to come on when I plug it in. I wired it with the blue wire to 12 volts and the black to ground.(instruction sheet for 2003 park avenue). Wiring the red wire to 12 volts and the led lights ,Should this be wired a different way?

My remote start starts the car as long as the key is in the ignition, I can also here the relays in

the remote when I hit the door buttons, so I believe all my problems are with this interface.

Anybody have an idea why I can't seem to get this interface working?

ron





Posted By: shortcircuit161
Date Posted: December 09, 2012 at 9:15 PM
The D2D harness should have red, green, black and blue wires. You would feed 12v to the red wire and ground to the black.

The colors referenced in the manual are for older harnesses DEI used to send out with their modules. Hopefully wiring it differently didn't fry the module.

Honestly, I'll say it all the time, I would always recommend someone buy iDatalink or Fortin modules. You would need a dealer account for the iDatalink modules but they just work great the first time, every time.

Good Luck!

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Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 10, 2012 at 6:21 AM

thank you for the answer. I do get the red led light to come on when hooked up like you said.

but it will not flash when I turn the key forward. Is the install guide correct on programming this?

-hook up red & black wires

-hold in programming button, plug in connector 1, them 2

-turn ignition switch on

-release the programming button

-start the car

ron





Posted By: shortcircuit161
Date Posted: December 10, 2012 at 7:49 AM
You are correct in the programming sequence.

Hook up red & black wires for power. Make sure you have the purple data wire hooked up to Pin 2 on the OBD II connector. I believe that's also a purple wire? Also must have the pink ignition wire from the module to the Ignition 1 wire of the car (should also be pink).

Does the LED turn on solid when you plug in Connector 1?
Does the LED flash rapidly when you turn the ignition switch on?
What happens after that?



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Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 10, 2012 at 9:14 AM

The led does come on when I plug in connector 1

the led just stays on solid when I turn the ignition forward.

I double checked my wiring to the obd2 which is purple to purple.

I double checked my pink wire for ignition, it is connected to the

bulldog 500 yellow wire, which goes to the pink ignition 1 wire on

th 03 park avenue.

ron





Posted By: shortcircuit161
Date Posted: December 10, 2012 at 9:59 AM
Try something slightly different during programming.

Press the programming button while plugging in Connector 1, then release the button once the LED turn on solid. Plug in Connector 2. Turn the key to ignition and the LED should start flashing rapidly at that point. Then start the car with the key. It should program correctly then.

I'm thinking about a LeSabre that I installed in recently with a Fortin INT-SL+ which is essentially the same bypass (just re-branded for DEI) and that's how i programmed it and worked correctly.

That's the main reason I don't use DEI bypasses anymore. Too inconsistent with their modules and instructions.

I use strictly iDatalink and Fortin modules.




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Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: December 10, 2012 at 8:45 PM
Most of the alternate programming methods are posted in the directech pages if you have access to them and can be a common problem with the newer bypasses with older vehicles. And often get over looked when they update the instructions for them.




Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: December 10, 2012 at 9:13 PM
Did you try reseting the bypass and start fresh. As a red led lit solid is a sign that it has been programmed even if it isn't programmed correctly. To do so you disconnect all connections to the bypass and press and hold the programming button, while holding the programming button plug in the D2D plug and continue to hold until the red led flashes once and release the programming button. Then start at the beginning of the programming instructions again. The supplemental programming instructions for the 03 Buick don't include the reset instructions that are in the general instructions.




Posted By: shortcircuit161
Date Posted: December 11, 2012 at 6:19 AM
A solid red LED on this specific bypass (DLPKGM) at the beginning is normal and does not signify it's already programmed. It's the same with the INT-SL from Fortin which I use all the time.

Initially it's on to tell you it's ready to be programmed. Each bypass module is different and therefore do not program the same. Even the DBALL works the same way. It will light red telling you it's ready for programming.

Ron, were you able to get the module programmed to your car?



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Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: December 11, 2012 at 6:35 AM
shortcircuit161 wrote:

Try something slightly different during programming.

Press the programming button while plugging in Connector 1, then release the button once the LED turn on solid. Plug in Connector 2. Turn the key to ignition and the LED should start flashing rapidly at that point. Then start the car with the key. It should program correctly then.

I'm thinking about a LeSabre that I installed in recently with a Fortin INT-SL+ which is essentially the same bypass (just re-branded for DEI) and that's how i programmed it and worked correctly.

That's the main reason I don't use DEI bypasses anymore. Too inconsistent with their modules and instructions.

I use strictly iDatalink and Fortin modules.





This is from the generic programing instructions for the DLPKGM. And can be found here: https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=7052&productid=125&firmwareid=1633




Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 11, 2012 at 8:12 PM

shortcircuit161: I tried the different programming procedule, it didn't work, can't

get it to flash. I know it's getting power through the pink wire, because when I turn

the ignition forward, I get power at the plug that connects to the module.

Is it time for a new(different one)?

ron





Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: December 11, 2012 at 9:00 PM
Did you reset it and try again as follows.

To do so you disconnect all connections to the bypass and press and hold the programming button, while holding the programming button plug in the D2D plug (power and ground)and continue to hold until the red led flashes once and release the programming button. Then start at the beginning of the programming instructions again.




Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 5:05 AM

yes I did, several times, I can't get it to flash.

ron





Posted By: shortcircuit161
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 5:53 AM
If you reset it as Lurch suggested and have tried several times to program it and all the wires are installed correctly, you may need to consider another bypass module.

I've used Fortin INT-SL+ with great success on Park Avenue, LeSabre and other GM cars. Also, if you can get someone to flash it for you, an idatalink ADS-DL, ADS-AL-CA or ADS-ALSL-GM will work great.

I'm sorry to say that if nothing else is working, you may need to switch to another module.

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Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 11:26 AM
Ditto with shortcircuit161 on the time for a new bypass, your initial wiring issue of putting 12v to the data wire probally fried part of the bypass. As the data side is a 5v system in a bypass. Did the bypass come with instructions other than the one you downloaded? If it did, did you cross check the wiring between the two?




Posted By: mopar316
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 3:53 PM

Hello,

I need a new interface bypass module for my 03 park avenue. I want it to

detect ignition, tach, door locks, and trunk. It needs to be reasonably priced,

loaded with software, good instructions, and be reliable. Anybody have any

ideas on which unit, and where to buy it?

ron





Posted By: rauenpc2
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 4:03 PM
iDatalink ADS-AL-CA

https://www.idatalink.com/search/search?vehicle_make_id=5&vehicle_year_id=2003&vehicle_model_id=12&vehicle_id=1767




Posted By: lurch228
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 6:12 PM
XK01 is bullet proof and you can pick them up on ebay cheap and have it flashed at a local shop for free if they want to charge just go elsewhere or other online retailers for a little more already flashed to AMDL v.6.00.

Detailed function list

2003 Buick Park Avenue: XK01 - AMDL 6.00

W2W

AV-Panic Mode Activation
CC-Heated Mirrors
CC-Heated Seats Activation
CC-Power Mirror Memory
CC-Power Seat Memory
CC-Power Windows Rollup
CC-Radio Channel Memory
CC-Rear Window Defogger Activation
DL-Arm Factory Security
DL-Disarm Factory Security
DL-Door Lock Control
DL-Door Unlock
DL-Driver Priority Unlock
DL-Trunk / Hatch Release
PK-Immobilizer Bypass-Data No Key Req'd
RS-RAP Shut Down (Retained ACC Power)
SS-Entry Monitoring ALL Door Pins
SS-Entry Monitoring Trunk/Hatch Pin


D2D

AV-Panic Mode Activation
CC-Heated Mirrors
CC-Heated Seats Activation
CC-Power Mirror Memory
CC-Power Seat Memory
CC-Power Windows Rollup
CC-Radio Channel Memory
CC-Rear Window Defogger Activation
DL-Arm Factory Security
DL-Disarm Factory Security
DL-Door Lock Control
DL-Door Unlock
DL-Driver Priority Unlock
DL-Trunk / Hatch Release
PK-Immobilizer Bypass-Data No Key Req'd
RS-RAP Shut Down (Retained ACC Power)
RS-Tach / RPM Output
SS-CAN Alarm control w/ FOB remote
SS-Entry Monitoring ALL Door Pins
SS-Entry Monitoring Driver Door Pin
SS-Entry Monitoring Trunk/Hatch Pin
ST-Ignition Status




Posted By: shortcircuit161
Date Posted: December 12, 2012 at 9:18 PM
My personal preference is always iDatalink and 2nd is Fortin. You will pay a little more than an XK01 but their modules work the first time, every time. I am honestly so disgusted with DEI bypass modules, I don't even look their way anymore.

x2 with the iDatalink ADS-AL CA or ADS-DL. Their modules need a dealer account to flash it with the correct firmware for your vehicle. Most places you can buy them from will also flash it for you at no extra cost.

From Fortin, you can get the INT-SL+ which looks just like the DLPKGM and works great for your vehicle. Fortin was the creator of that module and works awesome. It's also a self-learning module so there is no need to flash it to use it.



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