05 chevy equinox will not crank

Hi there, just wondering if I could get any hints or tips. I have a 05 chevy equinox that I am installing a viper 4104 in to and I have 2 questions. First door lock wires are + polarity and the viper kit says its output is - polarity, how would i get this working? now the big one, I have everything else hooked up and ready to go but the remote start activates and i get power on ignition and 2 accessories and then lose the power on 2 accessories and then it is supposed to crank. But does not crank at all. This install says it does not require a starter output wire to crank. I am kind of lost on what to do to get this vehicle to crank with the remote start. Please any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks

What bypass are you using?

You should have 2 ignitions and 1 Accessory

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xpresskit XK09 DLPKGM

and the wiring color code sheet says it has 2 accessories and 1 ignition

What wiring code sheet are you refering to? The type 6 install for the xk09 shows 2 ignitions and 1 acc.  Have you tested and verified the wires on the ignition switch with a DMM?

You will also have 2 wires from the 20 Pin xk09 connector to the starter output and the ignition 1 output of the Viper unit, on the way to the wiring harness of the car.

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This is the wiring info I am referring to off of this site. maybe this info is wrong about the 2 accessories and 1 ignition?

CHEVROLET / EQUINOX / 2005 / Remote Start

12volts RED / white (x2)   +   ignition harness
Starter yellow (not for remote start)   -   PCM, blue plug, pin 23
Notes: Starter wire is not required for remote start. When the vehicle sees that the ignition wire has voltage and the two accessory wires lose voltage, it automatically cranks the starter.

The PCM is located in front of the driver strut tower, above the battery cover.
Second Starter N/A       
Ignition pink   +   ignition harness
Second Ignition N/A       
Third Ignition N/A       
Accessory orange   +   ignition harness
Second Accessory brown   +   ignition harness
Keysense lt. green (required)   -   BCM, 24 pin gray plug, pin A8
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Power Lock lt. blue   +   BCM, pink plug, pin B4
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Power Unlock dk. blue   +   BCM, 24 pin gray plug, pin A3
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Lock Motor gray   5wi driver kick, door harness
Unlock Motor tan   5wi driver kick, door harness
Parking Lights+ brown   +   BCM, 24 pin gray plug, pin B7
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Parking Lights- lt. blue   -   BCM, 24 pin gray plug, pin B3
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Hazards same as turn signal wires       
Turn Signal(L) lt. blue   +   steering column
Turn Signal(R) dk. blue   +   steering column
Reverse Light lt. green   +   kick panel, harness to rear
Door Trigger gray/black and tan/white   -   BCM
Notes: The driver door trigger is gray/black in the pink plug, pin B8. The passenger doors trigger is tan/white in the 24 pin gray plug, pin B5. Use both wires and diode isolate each.

The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Dome Supervision white   -   BCM, pink plug, pin A1
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Trunk/Hatch Pin ORANGE / black   -   BCM, pink plug, pin B12
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Hood Pin N/A       
Trunk/Hatch Release N/A       
Power Sliding Door N/A       
Factory Alarm Arm factory remote only       
Factory Alarm Disarm factory remote only       
Disarm No Unlock with ignition and Passlock       
Tachometer purple   ac   PCM, black plug, pin 61
Notes: The PCM is located in front of the driver strut tower, above the battery cover.
Wait to start N/A       
Brake Wire lt. blue   +   brake pedal switch
Parking Brake lt. blue   -   BCM, pink plug, pin B5
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Horn Trigger tan   -   BCM, pink plug, pin A3
Notes: The BCM is located in the center console, below the radio.
Memory Seat 1 N/A       
Memory Seat 2 N/A       
Memory Seat 3 N/A       
Interface Module: Category:
Immobilizer Bypass Required:
Yes Type:
Passlock II
Part #: 556LW
Alternate Part1 #: 555LW
Alternate Part2 #: 555T
Alternate Part3 #: DesignTech 20402
Alternate Part4 #: DesignTech 29402
Notes: The Passlock II wire colors are yellow, ORANGE / black, and ORANGE / white (not used).

My apologies, there are 2 Acc and 1 ignition on that car. And no starter wire. I did one back in October using a DB-ALL  W2W.

Link to that posting:  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~132274~KW~smokeman1~PN~1~TPN~1

Even tho the wiring show a connection to the car for starter on the DB-ALL, I did not connect it.  Follow the notes Kreg provided me,  Test the wires you are using.

Most likely the starter output from the Viper goes to the starter input of the XK09.

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ok thanks. Im going to try to hook up the bypass w2w. i was using the d2d connection and apparently there have been some issues with using that method

what does the keysense wire on the vehicle get hooked up to?

I don't see a keysense on the wiring diagram.

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i dont see it on the diagram for the bypass but it has it on the vehicle wiring info and says it is required.

Keysense lt. green (required)   -   BCM, 24 pin gray plug, pin A8

just wondering if there is a connection off the remote start module to hook this up to?

Found the following on a different site:  Could use the Ground When Running with diodes. (-) GWR from the Viper

The GREEN Key Sense Wire Must See A Ground When Running. If Not The Service Required Light Will Come On. Its The Light With The Car And Wrench On It.

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ok what do i hook it up to so it sees ground when remote start is activated?

H2/3 Blue/White as second status. or H2 Dark Blue status output.

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do i still need to use a diode for either of those?

ok so it still wont start..i even tried just grounding that wire myself when remote start is activating..im am getting really confused. the remote start activates and then it loses power on the accessory wires, and then is supposed to crank the starter, you can tell when it wants to crank but doesnt. then if i put the key in the ignition and turn to the ON position it starts right up and i can then take the key out of the ignition and it keeps running and i can disable it with the remote start key fob. any ideas on what i could be missing?

should the starter still crank if i take the bypass module completely out of the loop? like crank and not start or start but die right away?

Link to another equinox with info on keysense and diode: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=125491&tpn=1&PN=1

Can you list all of your wire connections from the viper to the car and from the XK09 to ???

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vehicle        remote starter

constant 12 volts - RED / white (x2) /// 4 wires > small red, heavy red
    RED / black, RED / white

ignition pink      ///     pink

accessory 1 orange ///     orange

accessory 2 brown ///     pink white

keysense lt. green ///     not sure ???

power lock lt. blue///     green (with relay)

power unlock dk blue  ///     blue (with relay)

park lights brown +///     white

tach purple       ///      violet/white

brake lt. blue    ///      brown


bypass

ignition pink    ///        pink

ign to bcm orange black        ///        black

ign to bcm yellow///    yellow/black & yellow (spliced)

12v red ///        red

starter output from RS violet   ///        violet

status output from RS blue      ///        blue/white



these are the wire i have .... i have taken the bypass out of the loop tho. please any help would be appreciated

Lets make sure we are on the same install diagram.  Type 6 XK09?  Right??

Viper H3 harness.. H3/1 pink is connected to pink on ignition harness and to pin 8 pink of 20 pin connector

H3/4 violet to pin 7 violet of 20 pin connector

H3/6 Pink/White is default to Ignition 2, change it to ACC 2 in the Viper Brain.

Viper H2/9 Dark Blue to Pin 1 Blue/White of XK09, 20 pin conn

Pin 9 Red of 20 Pin conn to 12 volts constant...Pin 10 Black of 20 Pin to Black OR ORANGE / Black at ignition switch

Pin 12 yellow/black to pin 15 yellow, 20 pin conn, then to yellow at ignition switch

Pin 13 violet/brown to pin 16 brown, 20 pin conn

Viper H2/3 Blue/white to keysense or car...Set to 2nd status in Viper Brain.

Then program the XK09 to the car per the programing instructions.

What have you got the Vipers Tach wire connected to???    Are all your connections soldered??  Make sure you test the wires you are connecting to with a DMM.

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On the Viper, it is defaulted as Manual transmission. If your equinox is automantic, this needs to be changed to Automatic in the Viper brain.  H2/3, 2nd status is defaulted to 2nd status.  H1/2 black to ground as well as H2/2 for nutral safety switch.  Also the toggle switch needs to be plugged in and set to ON.

And of course you need to program the Tach Learning of the Viper unit. Page 7 of the install manual

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yes all those connections are correct and i always solder all my connections. This is the first time I have ever run into an issue like this before. and everything you have mentioned i have done, except program the bypass unit. It should still crank and shutdown tho without the bypass programmed shouldn't it?

It almost seems as if the bypass unit is not flashed correctly or something also because when i plug it in the led stays on solid red and does not flash or anything whether i push the programming button or not. I have tried to reset the bypass but i have yet been able to program it.

Also you mention about programming the tach signal. Do I need to do this before the engine will crank over?

 It should still crank and shutdown tho without the bypass programmed shouldn't it?

Maybe not. The Equinox I did threw a curve at me. I made all my connections, but did not plug in the power to the DB-ALL module I used. I tried to use the key to start the car to make sure it was still ok. Car would not start with the key. Would not even turn over. I disconnected all of the DB-ALL harness and still no cranking.  I was confused, so I went ahead with programming the DB-ALL and then the key worked again and remote start worked.  Maybe you are having the same issue with the XK09.

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