which 2 way alarm with the best range?
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Topic: which 2 way alarm with the best range?
Posted By: capi
Subject: which 2 way alarm with the best range?
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 3:27 AM
Hi experts,
First of all, Hi all!!!! I am from Spain and I want to buy a car alarm 2way without remote starter.
I read and read and... there are lot of and lot of brands of alarms... I don´t know which alarm buy; my principal requirement is the best range for recieve alerts in the LCD control remote; I live in a 7th and I want receive the alert, is it possible? Which alarm do you recommend me?
I see there alarms and I think that there are the best brands:
- viper
- python
- avital
What about this car alarm system? Anyone knows the functionality and the range? Anyone has another alarm with good range?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Replies:
Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 6:05 AM
I am a big fan of Compustar. The DEI modules (Viper, Python, Avital) have seemed to have lost some of their quality control and I have had some issues with them. I also like the easy upgrade-ability of the Compustar systems. The remote / antenna kits can be swapped out for whatever serves you better without having to re-install the entire unit. They also make byassing a lot easier with the Blade modules from iDatalink. Compustar's also have some of the best range out there.
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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 6:21 AM
hehehe, ok, another brand new for me...
Have you got one of them? What about their range? Is it ok? Could arrive to the 7th floor?
Regards,
Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 8:55 AM
There are hundreds if not thousands of factors that can affect the range so there is no way for me to tell you for sure that it will reach. However, being on a higher floor, it will have a 'birds eye view' so to speak to prevent ground objects from blocking the signal. However, there are still plenty more factors. Compustar does have a mile range remote with LCD. I used to have a Python 991 (top end) and had nothing but issues with it. I've since yanked that out and installed a Compustar CM6000 with the Slice remote and I don't think I'll ever go back. The expandability of the Compustar is awesome. The only issue is that Compustar units are very hard to come by for sale without professional installation due to warranty issues.
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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 9:08 AM
ok, thanks for the info but... as you say in the last phrase.
I am from Spain and I can not find the Compuster units, neither ebay; only appear the remote control...
I will continue looking for them.
Regards,
Posted By: lucasoil4u
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM
Do a Drone .. YEAH DOG!
Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 10:48 AM
Yea, they will be hard to find.
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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 10:52 AM
offroadzj wrote:
Yea, they will be hard to find.
ok, so... the second best alarm with best range and easy of find, hehe
crimefighter, avital, python, viper, spy, carvox ???
Thanks in advance,
Regards
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 11:54 AM
Except DEI brands are sold in Spain but nought else bar some local Italian rubbish with about 50 ft. range.
A Viper 3303 would be the best bet if you could get it to work properly.
Great 2 way remote....when it works.
The people who used to market the DEI brands in the UK now market Code, Idatalink, Fortin and some Firstech kit but no Comp.
In answer to my pushing, they are actively looking at bringing them over. Supposedly.
Last thought, excuse the rambling, it's now 6:00 pm here and I was at my first job at 7:30 am so I'm cream crackered.
They don't allow 900mhz in Europe, 413.3mhz is the official Euro frequency.
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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 1:06 PM
buffff, I do not understand you... My english is a bit bad...
You are tell me in Spain does not work the car alarm with frequency 900mhz?
Regards,
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 2:08 PM
Individual import from the US is probably OK but it can't be legally sold, bloody EU rules.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: lucasoil4u
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 2:35 PM
What brands can you get down there?
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 2:38 PM
I can buy these:
- spy
- steelmate
- audiovox
- avital
- excalibur
- viper
- python
- carvox
- CrimeFighter (6000m range... true or false?)
Regards,
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 2:43 PM
In England and the other "advanced" Euro areas, Benelux, Germany, Switzerland, Bulgaria, Romania and Turkey, DEI rules.
England also has Code-Alarm.
We (the UK) are about 10 years ahead of Europe in installation engineers.
Southern Europe, Spain, Greece etc. Only Italian plus fleabay and very few installers.
Any 900mhz product seen would be private import.
I've only installed one and he brought it back from a Caribbean holiday.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Audivox and Viper/Python (the same product) are good.
Crimestopper 6000 meter = approx 4 miles? In your dreams.
In the real world, buildings, trees, terrain, power lines, police/fire/ambulance/taxi transmitters about 200 meters.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 3:00 PM
howie ll wrote:
Audivox and Viper/Python (the same product) are good.
Crimestopper 6000 meter = approx 4 miles? In your dreams.
In the real world, buildings, trees, terrain, power lines, police/fire/ambulance/taxi transmitters about 200 meters.
haha, yes... 4miles = 6000meters I think the same, hehe.
Do you know these brands? what do you recommend me?
- spy
- steelmate
- audiovox
- avital
- excalibur
- viper
- python
- carvox
- CrimeFighter
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 3:11 PM
Only the ones I mentioned.
Steelmate, their other products are now quite good and their technical staff (in the UK) very good.
Spy Rubbish
Carvox Rubbish
Excalibur Don't know, US/Canada only.
Carvox Poor man's Compustar trouble.
CrimeFighter, never heard of them. Do you mean Crime Stopper?
Avital, entry level (i.e. poor quality) DEI.
My views reflect what I've read on these forums.
Don't forget whilst you might have very good workshops and installers in Spain the product knowledge is about 10 years behind the UK.
Clifford and then DEI had their European headquarters in the UK and we got the best products and back-up first.
I've tried installers from Germany and they were rubbish!
I've actually travelled to France Belgium Switzerland and Spain on installation jobs! No local talent available, Spain was Marbella, not exactly a small town.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 3:12 PM
What car do you have?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: enice
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 5:19 PM
Screw that.....Compustar system with the DRONE and call it a day.
Unlimited Range!!!!!!
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Eric
Audiomaxx
528 East Fordham Road
Bronx NY 10458
Compustar Top Gun Dealer Award 2012-2013
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 5:26 PM
Can't get Compustar* in Europe, also they would have to make the receiver quad band GSM/CDMA Eric.
We are 900/1800 on GSM 3G and 700/1800/2100 on GSM 4G.
*Unless in the near future you buy it from me!
For your info, the Firstech unit for Mercedes is around $700 TRADE here.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: enice
Date Posted: January 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM
you want the mercedes benz module?? I dont give prices over a forum... you can contact me and i can send stuff to you.
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Eric
Audiomaxx
528 East Fordham Road
Bronx NY 10458
Compustar Top Gun Dealer Award 2012-2013
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:12 AM
Hi,
My car is a Toyota Avensis... do you know it?
I want the best car alarm without remote start and... around 150usd.
I think, with your comments, the best option will be Audivox, Viper or Python; is it oorrect?
Thanks in advance,
Regards,
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:53 AM
Eric we'll catch up.
capi, the Avensis is easy but you're well away on the price plus installation.
Viper 3303 in Spain plus installation?
The Compustar equivalent whilst much better is probably more expensive.
Look at Amazon US.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 12:56 AM
howie ll wrote:
Eric we'll catch up.
capi, the Avensis is easy but you're well away on the price plus installation.
Viper 3303 in Spain plus installation?
The Compustar equivalent whilst much better is probably more expensive.
Look at Amazon US.
Avensis is easy of what?
I thought in the model 350; I prefer these remote control than 3303 --> https://www.viper.com/P-3305V/Viper-Responder-350-2-way-Security-System
I want install it alone with some friends...
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 1:24 AM
350; Very cheap, entry level technology, poor (failure prone) remotes. Best not at all cheap, yes.
Install it with your friends, sounds like a recipe for disaster.
English expression, "too many cooks".
The Avensis is easy if you are a pro and you know Toyotas.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 1:26 AM
Come on, someone applaud the wonderfully subtle pun in the last post.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 2:25 AM
howie ll wrote:
Come on, someone applaud the wonderfully subtle pun in the last post.
bufff, it is very diffucult to find a cheap car alarm, hehe.
ok, I do not explain very well... I will do the installation with a friend; I am not considered a pro; but I know the car very well; I change all my installation of car audio, I change all wires for the audio, I have a false bottom in the trunk, so I think I can install it. Moreover, I have already located all wires necessary for the installation of the car alarm:
- central lock
- electric windows
- door lock
- warnings
- +
- -
- ACC+
I just need the door back open. What could go wrong?
Regards,
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 9:21 AM
All inside doors, there should be a plug with cables going to the doom light.
At the dome light you have 3 wires.
Constant 12V+.
Constant ground or grounded (earth, mass) by the fixing screws)
Switched ground when the door opens.
The last is your all door NEG (-) trigger, going to green on the alarm.
Trunk (rear) trigger find the colour that goes to ground through a micro-switch in the slam lock, that's the one, it should go to the fusebox/BCM in the front, TEST.
Best of luck.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: capi
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 2:31 PM
howie ll wrote:
350; Very cheap, entry level technology, poor (failure prone) remotes. Best not at all cheap, yes.
Install it with your friends, sounds like a recipe for disaster.
English expression, "too many cooks".
The Avensis is easy if you are a pro and you know Toyotas.
And what about python 460 --> https://www.pythoncarsecurity.com/products/product.aspx?Productid=615
Regards,
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 5:09 PM
The remotes look better quality.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: soundnsecurity
Date Posted: February 01, 2013 at 7:55 PM
i dont know why, because they are supposed to be the same products, but i find that python remotes are made a little better than their viper equivalent. even now i have a python remote programmed to my viper 5901 because the original viper remote is beat up and the little speaker is blown. ive never seen a remote with a blown speaker except this one and it was only used for about a year, my python keypad is also about a year old and it is still working perfectly.
the keypads might be different from python to viper but the actual brains and the way they function are identical so you cant really say that one is definitely better than the other.
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