’11 sportage python 1401 evo can

Using Offroadzj's template I believe I have everything listed correctly.  I really get lost on the RS output wires and the Evo-Can wires going to the RS.  A couple of the Start wires are throwing me because my vehicle Wiring Info shows no 2nd (or 3rd) ignition wires but I do have a Second Starter. I've put ?? in areas I don't know but please look at everything as I may have listed items incorrectly.

Any help filling in the blanks is greatly appreciated!

Here are the links to wiring guides. Thanks to Kreg357 for giving me this information.

Python:  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1183 , https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1184

Evo Can:  https://ifar.ca/download/3915/preview.html

Vehicle:  https://www.readyremote.com/main.asp?make=Kia

Vehicle: 2011 Kia Sportage Ex PTS
Remote Start Unit: Python 1401
Bypass Module: Fortin Evo-Can
Alarm / Remote Start / Bypass Unit			Vehicle
Connection	Color	Description	Color	Polarity	Location:
Main Harness (H1) 12 pin
H1/1	RED / White	(-)200mA Trunk release output	Yellow/Black	(-)	Dash fuse box, White 54 pin plug(D), pin 16
H1/2	Red	(+)12VC Constant input	Red	(+)	Dash fuse box, 3 pin, pin 1
H1/3	Brown	(-)200mA Horn honk output	Do Not Want Horn To Honk
H1/4	WHITE/ Brown	Light Flash Insolation Wire	??	??	??
H1/5	Black	(-)Chassis ground			Chassis
H1/6	Violet	(+) Door trigger input	Not Used
H1/7	Blue	Factory horn input	Do Not Want Horn To Honk
H1/8	Green	(-) Door Trigger	GREEN/ Orange	(-)	Dash fuse box, White 54 pin plug(D), pin 10
H1/9	BLACK/ White	(-) 200mA Dome light output	Brown	(-)	BCM above gas pedal, gray 24 pin plug, pin 5
H1/10	WHITE/ Blue	(-) Remote Start/Turbo timer activation output	??	??	??
H1/11	White	Parking light output	Blue	(-)	Headlight switch, white 13 pin plug, pin 1
H1/12	Orange	(-)500mA ground when armed output			Chassis (??)
Door Lock 3 pin
1	Blue	(-)500mA unlock output	Gray/Black	(-)	Dash fuse box, white 54 pin plug(D), pin 18
2	Empty
3	Green	(-) 500mA Lock output	Blue/Black	(-)	Dash fuse box, white 54 pin plug(D), pin 40
H2 Harness 18 pin
H2/1	Light GREEN/ Black	(-) 200mA Factory alarm disarm output	Brown AND Gray	(-)&open	Dash fuse box, white 54 pin plug(D), pins 14 AND 7
H2/2	ORANGE / Black	(-) 200mA Aux 4 output	Not Used (??)
H2/3	GREEN / WHITE	(-) 200mA Factory alarm arm output	Red AND Gray	(-) both	Dash fuse box, white 54 pin plug(D), pins 36 AND 7
H2/4	Violet/Black	(-) 200mA Aux 2 output	Not Used (??)
H2/5	WHITE/ Black	(-) 200mA Aux 3 output	Not Used (??)
H2/6	WHITE/ Violet	(-) 200mA Aux 1 output	Not Used (??)
H2/7	Gray/Black	(-) Diesel wait to start input	Not Used (??)
H2/8		Empty
H2/9	Violet/White	Tachometer input	White	AC	Passenger kick, Yellow 24 pin plug, pin 4
H2/10	Dark Blue	(-) 200mA Status output	??	??	??
H2/11	Pink/White	(-) 200mA Flex relay control output	??	??	??
H2/12	ORANGE / Black	(-) 200mA Accessory output	??	??	??
H2/13	Purple	(-) 200mA Starter output	??	??	??
H2/14	Pink	(-)200mA Ignition 1 output	??	??	??
H2/15	Gray	(-) Hood input (nc or no)	RED / Black	(-)	Dash fuse box, white 24 pin plug(B), pin 18
H2/16	Blue/White	(-) 200mA 2nd status/rear defogger output	Not Used (??)
H2/17	Brown	Brake shutdown input	GREEN/ Orange	(+)	Brake switch, white 4 pin plug, pin 1
H2/18	BLACK/ White	(-) Neutral saftey input			Chassis (??)
Remote Start (H3) 8 pin
H3/1	Pink	Ignition 1 input/output	Blue	(+)	Dash fuse box, rear white 54 pin plug(E), pin 25
H3/2	RED / White	(+) Fused ignition 2/Flex relay input 87	Red	(+)	Dash fuse box, 3 pin, pin 1
H3/3	Orange	Accessory output	Blue	(+)	Dash fuse box, rear white 54 pin plug(E), pin 31
H3/4	Violet	Starter output	Red	(+)	Dash fuse box, rear white 54 pin plug(E), pin 1
H3/5	Red	(+) Fused ignition 1 input	??	??	??
H3/6	Pink/White	Ignition 2/flex relay output	??	??	??
H3/7	Pink/Black	flex relay input 87a key side(if req.) of flex relay	??	??	??
H3/8	RED / Black	(+) fused accessory/starter input	??	??	??
Fortin Evo Can
3 Pin Connection
1		No Connection
2	Gray/Black	Can Low	Red		Dash fuse box, White 54 pin plug(D)
2	Gray	Can High	Blue		Dash fuse box, White 54 pin plug(D)
10 Pin Connection
1	Yellow	Ignition	Blue	(+)	Dash fuse box, Rear White 54 pin plug€, Pin 25
2		No Connection
3	Green	Door Status	??		Connect to RS ??
4	White	Trunk Status	??		Connect to RS ??
5		No Connection
6	BROWN / White	Hand Brake Status	??		Connect to RS ??
7	Pink/Black	Hood Status	??		Connect to RS ??
8		No Connection
9	Lt Blue/Black	Data	WHITE/ Orange		Keyless Module, Right side
10		No Connection
6 Pin Connection
1		No Connection
2		No Conection
3		Unlock Disarm			Connect to RS ??
4		Lock Arm			Connect to RS ??
5		Trunk Release	Yellow/Black	(-)	Connect to RS ??
6		Ground While Running			Connect to RS ??
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There is also a connection showing on the Bypass manual to run from the Start(+) to the Pink wire on
Dash fuse box, white 24 pin plug(B), pin 1. Not sre what wire from the RS goes there.

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

Do you have the Push to start or regular key? If it is the push to start then your install is going to be a lot easier than what you posted. If it is a regular key, then you do not need the bypass but your arm / disarm setup is a bit of a PITA.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

It is the PTS.  Easier is good for me!

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

Then what you posted is completely wrong (but in a good way). I will work on correcting it once I get home from work (around 4) and post it up.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Here it is. Let me know if you have any questions:

Vehicle Information: 2011 Kia Sportage Push to Start   
Alarm / Remote Start Unit: Python 1401   
Bypass Module: Fortin EVO-CAN   

Alarm / Remote Start / Bypass Unit   Vehicle
Connection     Color     Description     Color     Polarity     Location:
Python 1401
H1/1     RED / White     (-)200mA trunk release output     **Connect directly to bypass (6 pin connector; yellow / black)
H1/2     Red      (+) 12v constant input      **Connect to red / white (H3/2) between unit and fuse.
H1/3     Brown     (-) Horn honk output     gray or white     -     driver kick, white 15 pin plug; pin 6
H1/4     White / Brown     light flash isolation wire     **No connection
H1/5     Black     (-) Chassis ground     ** Connect to factory ground bolt. Scrape off any paint if needed.
H1/6     Violet     (+) door trigger input     **No connection
H1/7     Blue     (-) factory horn input     **No connection
H1/8     Green     (-) door trigger input     **Connect directly to bypass (10 pin connector; green)
H1/9     Black / White     (-) 200mA dome light output     **No connection
H1/10     White / Blue     (-) remote start / turbo timer activation input     **No connection
H1/11     White     Parking light output     blue     -     headlight switch, white 13 pin plug; pin 1
     ** Change internal parking light jumper to (-)     
H1/12     Orange     (-) 500mA ground when armed output     **No connection


H2/1     light green / black     (-) 200mA factory alarm disarm output     **Connect directly to bypass (6 pin connector; purple / white)
H2/2     light green / white     (-) 200mA factory alarm arm output     **Connect directly to bypass (6 pin connector; purple)
H2/3     white / violet     (-) 200mA Aux 1 output     **No connection
H2/4     Violet / black     (-) 200mA Aux 2 output     **No connection
H2/5     White / black     (-) 200mA Aux 3 output     **No connection
H2/6     light blue     (-) 200mA 2nd unlock output     **No connection
H2/7     gray / black     (-) diesel wait to start input     **No connection

H3/1     pink     ignition 1 input / output     blue     +     back of dash fuse panel (see bypass diagram)
H3/2     Red / white     (+) fused ignition 2 / flex relay input     Red (40amp)     +     front of dash fuse panel (see bypass diagram)
H3/3     orange     accessory output     blue     +     back of dash fuse panel (see bypass diagram)
H3/4     violet     starter output     pink     +     front of dash fuse panel (see bypass diagram)
H3/5     red       (+) fused ignition 1 input     **Connect with red / white (H3/2) wire.
H3/6     pink / white     ignition 2 / flex relay output     **No connection
H3/7     pink / black     flex relay input 87a key side     **No connection
H3/8     red / black     (+) fused accessory / starter input     **Connect with red / white (H3/2) wire.

1     black / white     (-) neutral safety switch input     **Connect to black (H1/5) wire.
2     violet / white     tachometer input     white     AC     passenger kick, yellow 24 pin plug; pin 4
3     brown     (+) brake shutdown input     green / orange - blue     +     brake switch, white 4 pin plug, pin 1 (blue on 2.0L model)
4     gray     n/o or n/c (-) hood pin switch input     **Connect directly to bypass (10 pin connector; pink / black). Install hood pin if no factory pin.
5     blue / white     (-) 200mA status / rear defogger output     **No connection

1     pink / white     (-) 200mA flex relay control output     **No connection
2     orange     (-) 200mA accessory output     **No connection
3     violet     (-) 200mA starter output     **No connection
4     pink     (-) 200mA ignition 1 output     **No connection
5     blue     (-) 200mA status output     **Connect directly to bypass (6 pin connector; dark blue)

1     blue     (+) lock / (-) unlock     **No connection
2     empty     
3     green     (-) lock / (+) unlock     **No connection

EVO-CAN
3 pin     gray / black     CAN low     red     CAN     back of dash fuse box (see bypass diagram)_
3 pin     gray / black     CAN high     blue     CAN     back of dash fuse box (see bypass diagram)_

10 pin     yellow     ignition     **Connect directly to H3/1
10 pin     green     door status     **Connect directly to H1/8
10 pin     white     trunk status     **No connection
10 pin     brown / white     hand brake status     **No connection
10 pin     pink / black     hood status     **Connect directly to remote start input harness; pin 4 (gray). Install hood pin if no factory pin.
     **If vehicle is not equipped with a factory hood pin, aftermarket pin must be added and this wire will have no connection.     
10 pin     light blue / black     Data     white / orange     DATA     keyless module (see bypass diagram)

6 pin     purple / white     unlock / disarm     **Connect directly to H2/1
6 pin     purple       lock / arm     **Connect directly to H2/2
6 pin     yellow/black     trunk release     **Connect directly to H1/1
6 pin     dark blue     ground while running     **Connect directly to remote start auxiliary harness; pin 5 (blue)


Edit: Not sure how you got it to format so nicely, but hopefully this isn't too confusing.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

This looks like a HUGE help.  Thank you very much for taking the time to do this.  I'll read through it all tonight and let you know if I get stuck anywhere.

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

How were you able to get your original post to format like that? Did you manually have to do it or am I just missing something... lol

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

I'm not sure really, I just filled in the boxes. I did move the column widths around to make room so maybe that's why it came out that way. 

If you are wanting to post it somewhere so others can use it I can enter all of your information like I did mine and email it to you.

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

I don't know. I filled out the Excel and then copied it all and pasted into the reply box, but it automatically removed all of the spaces in the post. Oh well, not that big of a deal.


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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Well, it's all installed but the car won't remote start.

When the remote start button is pushed the lights flash and the doors unlock (which seems odd but I can live with it), I hear what I think is the fuel pump pressurizing and then the doors relock. That's it.

Suggestions please.

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

The doors will unlock to disarm the alarm but then relock after starting. Do you see any lights flashing on the dash? I just did a 2013 Optima PTS and it was one of the easiest installs I've done in a while. Do all the other functions work (lock, trunk, etc)? I would triple check all of your connections... I have a feeling you have a bad connection somewhere.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Yes, everything else does work.  I double checked that I wasgetting voltage to the RS and all of the red wires are getting power between the fuse and box.  But when I run through the startup process I never get voltage through the RS starter wire (purple).  It sits at 0 the whole time.

I'm hoping that helps narrow down the possible issues?

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

I have a feeling there is an issue with the brake wire. Check for voltage on that wire during the remote start process. The EVO-CAN says that it does not control foot brake on that, but most PTS vehicles require seeing a brake signal in order to start.... which could be throwing the remote start module into shutdown before it even allows it to start. If you get voltage on that wire, try disconnecting it and see if it starts. If it does then try stepping on the brake to see if it shuts down.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

You were absolutely correct. I didn't get any voltage through the brake wire during startup so I disconnected it and it started right up. Then, no, it will not shut down when the brake is pressed. Is there a simple way to fix the shut down?

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

Also, just noticed that now it won't lock again after it starts. I can lock it with the factory key fob while it's running but not with the RS remote.

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

I would contact Fortin about the brake. That is the most important thing to fix right now because without it the system won't shut down properly. There has to be a way to connect the brake wire. On the Optima I did (using iDatalink) the brake was all part of the bypass so everything worked fine. Once that issue is figured out, then we can deal with the locks.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

I'll contact them and let you know what is said.

Again, thank you for all your help on this project!

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

As for the locks, are you testing them with the door closed? I noticed on the Optima that the car was not allowing the door to lock if it was open. Try closing the door and testing the lock again (same with remote start auto re-lock). The Sportage uses the same iDatalink firmware as the Optima I did so I would have to assume the Fortin firmware would be the same for both. Unfortunately I am not sure exactly how the Fortin is supposed to act regarding locking after remote start... might want to ask them about that as well.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

I tested with the doors closed.  I have a 2011 Kia Optima as well and both do act the same way with the door locks so I was aware of that. 

I entrered a ticket with Fortin this morning. I'll let you know what they say.

PS-I hope you kept your worksheet on that Optima.  I ordered a Viper 5401 and Evo-All for mine a couple of days ago!

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Just barely smart enough to make it broken.

I never made up a worksheet for the car. I've done so many of these that I usually just use the vehicle diagram to give me an idea on the vehicle wires and I know the unit wires off the top of my head.

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205