viper 5704, 2013 ram1500

I have ta 2013 ram 1500 no factory alarm installed( but i think its wired) no factory remote start.

Is this all I need to get hooked up Viper 5704v and Fortin EVO-ALL?

Thanks

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JW

Assuming your RAM is a non-PTS truck.  Going by this install guide ( https://ifar.ca/download/8111/preview.html ) you will need a 1k Ohm resistor and a 1N4001 diode plus fuse down the Viper to 5 Amps.  That, plus a FlashLink2 updater to flash the correct firmware and do the D-Cryptor process.

The EVO-ALL must be the latest hardware version ( Ver 6 ) and this firmware is considered Beta.  You could flash the EVO-ALL with the D2D box checked ( instead of the Fortin box ) and try going Viper DBI D2D data between the bypass and the R/S.  You could also buy the optional THAR-CHR3 harness but that wouldn't save too many wires / connections.  Personally, I'd do it all W2W.

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Soldering is fun!

ok got the t-harness, evo-all, viper 5704 r/s and alarm. need to know if I hook up the bypass to the truck then the alarm r/s w2w to the bypass. then what to do with alarm wires that dont have a mate on the bypass.

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any help would be great

Thanks
JW

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JW

OK.  Let's make sure we are on the same page.  Here are my current understandings...

The vehicle is a 2013 Dodge RAM with the weird key that is plastic and fits into the ignition switch.
Vehicle does not have Push to Start.

You have an EVO-ALL bypass module that is Hardware Version 6.

You have the Fortin FlashLink Updater 2.0.

You have downloaded the necessary programs / files for FlashLink Manager onto your PC.

You are using a Viper 5704 remote start / alarm system.

You do not have a THAR-CHR3 harness or a BitWriter.

You want to go with the W2W type installation.

Here is the basic wiring ( all of this is shown in the very detailed EVO-ALL guide ) : 

Viper 5704 2013 Dodge RAM or EVO-ALL

H1/1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT           +12V Constant Battery Source        
H1/2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND       Solid Chassis Ground      
H1/3 BROWN (+) SIREN 0UTPUT           Viper Siren  
H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT 87A       Not Used  
H1/5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUT  *** Set to (-) & thru 1K resistor    RAM WHITE/ Brown @ Switch Black 10 Pin      
H1/6 ORANGE (-) 500mA  G W A 0UTPUT          Not Used    

H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY       Not Used    
H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT Chassis Ground ( if Auto Trans )          
H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOG        Not Used
H2/4 GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM     Not Used
H2/5 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT Not Used   
H2/6 GREEN (-) D00R TRIGGER INPUT (N/C 0R N/0)                 EVO  Green Plug A,  Pin A4
H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPER   Not Used       
H2/8 BROWN / BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT   Not Used  
H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT    EVO Dark Blue Plug 4, Pin A8         
H2/10 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITI0N 1 OUTPUT          Not Used
H2/11 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT Not Used    
H2/12 VIOLET (+) D00R TRIGGER INPUT Not Used       
H2/13 WHITE/ VlOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT Not Used   
H2/14 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT Not Used
H2/15 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT           Not Used   
H2/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTD0WN INPUT    EVO Black Plug A, Pin A11       
H2/17 GREY (-) H00D PIN INPUT (N/C 0R N/0)    Viper Hood Pin Switch     
H2/18 VIOLET / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT   Not Used        
H2/19 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN / INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/O) Not Used       
H2/20 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT T0 START INPUT Not Used     
H2/21 WHITE'/BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER INPUT   Not Used      
H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT           Not Used          
H2/23 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT            EVO Pink Plug A, Pin A12
H2/24 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT      Not Used  

H3 heavy wires
1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT   thru 1A diode to EVO Yellow Plug A, Pin A1 and RAM Pink/Light Green
2 RED / WHITE (30A) FUSED IGNITION 2 Not Used       
3 ORANGE ACCESSORY OUTPUT        Not Used   
4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE)    EVO RED / Blue Plug A, Pin A9
5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE)       Not Used
6 RED (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT      +12V Constant Battery Source
7 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY      Not Used    
8 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A             Not Used  
9 RED / BLACK FUSED (30A) ACC/STARTER INPUT    +12V Constant Battery Source    

Door Lock
1  Blue  (-) 500 mA Unlock        EVO PURPLE / White Plug A, Pin A3
2  Green  (-) 500mA Lock          EVO Purple Plug A, Pin A2

EVO-ALL wiring ( not shown above )

Plug B ( power )
B4 Red to +12V Constant Battery
B3 Black to Chassis Ground
B2 not used
B1 not used

Plug A
A10 Light Blue/Black to RAM chassis side of cut WHITE/ Green Data wire
A15 Pink/Black to RAM Purple wire @ BCM Plug D, Pin 16
A20 Light Blue to RAM chassis side of cut Purple Start signal wire

Plug C
C4 Gray/Black to RAM OBD2 Plug, Pin 14 ( Yellow wire, CAN Low )
C3 Gray to RAM OBD2 Plug, Pin 6 ( Gray/White wire CAN High )

Plug D
D1 YELLOW /GREEN to RAM chassis side of cut Purple start signal wire
D3 Yellow/Red to RAM switch side of cut Purple start signal wire
D4 WHITE/ Green to RAM chassis side of cut WHITE/ Green Data wire
D6 WHITE/ Red to RAM switch side of cut WHITE/ Green Data wire

You will be using Fortin Install Guide #7921.  Please note that is says the module should be
flashed with firmware Version 1.02.  That is not correct.  Use Firmware Version 74.01, which is
the recommended version shown in the FlashLink Manager program.

Just follow the EVO-ALL Install guide for module programming & the D Cryptor process.

There is Viper option programming necessary, too.  Set to Auto Trans, Tach Mode, etc... 

 

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Soldering is fun!

Wow, I did not mean for you to type all that but thanks.

Thanks for your help. Jut hooking up the evo and a r/s seemed straight forward but throw in the alarm I wasn't sure and not much info out there for the entire combination.



I do have the THAR-CHR3 harness
If it is easier not to use it, I will not.

Do not have BitWriter.

Thanks for your time

James



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JW

Glad to help, James.

The THAR-CHR3 cable will save a few connections. 

You can do the Viper programming with the remotes, the BitWriter just makes it easier.

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Soldering is fun!

I'm having a little confusion with the wire that needs to be fused down to 5 amp with the harness. Do I actually need that wire? The harness is a little different than the drawing. not sure which wire need fuse in this case.

wiring with chr3 harness

Thanks
James

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JW

never mind that was stupid of me

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JW

ok went slow soldered every connection, double checked every connection then when I hooked up evoall for programming I got nothing not even a red power light.

I am using the t-harness(char). and in the data from the t-harness only a red and black are hooked up.

I have nothing from data to r/s b/c im using the t-harness. Is this correct?

When I put the evoall on the flash updater everthing reads fine

Thanks

James



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JW

Finally got my evoall Bypass to program but now Im having trouble.
Dodge ram(2013), viper 5704, Fortin Evoall

-Alarm arms, locks unlocks, parking lights flash when arming etc

-Alarm triggers if I arm it then open the door from the inside.    Shuts off when I press unlock.

-When I try to remote start it says error on the remote.

-I also hear several clicks- similar to an old school blinker sound. Cant tell if it is some random relay or the r/s or bypass.

-When I do the system check from the control unit the blue light flashes 7 times.

-The parking lights do not flash at all during remote start.

Any help would be great. I don’t know where to start trouble shooting.

Thanks
JW


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JW

ok fixed one problem have another. The default program was to manual transmission. I changed to automatic.

Now it remote starts but when i put my key in and step on brake it dies!!

Professional installers earn every penny. This is a head ache. HaHa

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JW

Well, lets see.  You went with D2D and the THAR-CHR3 harness, so all of the previous wiring
info I listed is useless.  You will now follow the Fortin Install Guide # 7981.

Did you flash the EVO-ALL with the D2D box checked, instead of the Fortin box?

Troubleshooting a problem when going with a D2D connected system is near impossible if you
want to actually put a DMM on a wire to check a signal.  That is why a lot of installers still use the
old, and very reliable, W2W method.

The one thing I think I noticed was your comment about no hardwiring between the EVO-ALL
and the Viper, just the D2D harness.  That is wrong.  There is still one connection left.  The
Vipers thick Ignition1 output, H3/1 Pink wire, has a diode ( 1N4001, band towards the Viper ) then it goes
to the RAM ( Pink/Light Green wire in a 4 Pin Plug ) and the EVO-ALL at Plug A, Pin A1.

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Soldering is fun!

Thanks kreg357. I did go with w2w as you suggested. I also then tried data, but ended up going back to w2w. I ended up cutting off the end of
the wire that hooked into the flash updater. it appears that one of the head ends was messed up on my data harness.

After that I was able to program.

I then came across a post that said "check to see if set to the default, which is manual . . ." problem solved. I changed it to auto-trans.

The issue I have now is after I auto start I get in the car and put my key in, turn it on and when I push the break It dies.

Looks like I'm close. I'll try again after work.

Thanks for continuing to help.

Jw

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JW

ok- all is good. The only "real" problem was the messed up connecter mentioned earlier. The second problem was due to programming error. I had it set to standard instead of auto.

The last problem was truck dying after auto start when break is pressed. Solved this morning. not only does the key need to be in the on position but you also must turn the key as if to start before stepping on brake and putting in gear.

So in all there were no real problems just ignorance.

I post this so maybe it will help another wire challenged diy person.

Thanks to kreg357 the wiring he posted was perfect.

Now I'll see if I can get windows to roll up and down without destroying everything- haha

Thanks
JW

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JW

Hey got everything working and just thought I may as well go overboard. How exactly can I wire a DEI 507M to my existing sensors? I only have 2 sensor ports on my viper brain. Is there a way I can have all 3 sensors send response separately to my remote?