carbine plus 3000 and hitech ht 455
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=134294
Printed Date: May 10, 2024 at 10:52 AM
Topic: carbine plus 3000 and hitech ht 455
Posted By: john88leslie
Subject: carbine plus 3000 and hitech ht 455
Date Posted: May 29, 2013 at 7:36 PM
New user here. Hello to all. I recently installed a viper system into my car and kinda got and itch to install another. (Im a huge car nut) So I have 2 systems, a Carbine plus-3000 (pretty old i think) and a hitech HT-455 (ebay special i guess)
So My first question is which is a better unit? the hitech 455 seems to have more features (cant find manual) based on the forum post.
Second question is about the remotes. (neither have one) Im able to find a replacement for the carbine but not the hitech module. I have a remote from a viper 600esp. Would that work with either module?
Thrird question is wiring. I have the wiring for the carbine but not the hitech. I know the basics, butno how to find out the instant trigger, door lock and unlock, ect. Does anyone have the manual.
Replies:
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: May 30, 2013 at 5:43 PM
Sorry to say this but in the real world:-
1)Dump the fleabay unit at least you have an install manual for the Carbine but they are both a POS, IMO.
2)Another reason to dump both! And no, no chance with the Viper remote.
3)See answer 1.
Your wasting your time and mine, you need to get a decent unit from say DEI (Viper etc.) Compustar or a nice basic Codealarm.
Buying unknown product from fleabay is a frustrating waste of time.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:17 PM
I actually got the units from the junkyard so,,, thanks for the input.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: May 30, 2013 at 10:31 PM
Sorry to be such a prophet of doom but this is the real world and that sort of thing just isn't cost or time effective.
Would you buy a car from a manufacturer of whom you'd never heard?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: May 31, 2013 at 6:49 PM
What do you mean by "real" world? Prophet of doom? I came here for help and this is the response? I doubt you even researched the units I was speaking of. I wont be posting to the forum. Nor would I recommend this forum to anyone. Your response was vague and didnt even address my questions. Your answer is the are pieces of doodie. cool. I wanted info on the units. Not some brit with bad teeth talking about the real world as if I dont live here. haha. Thanks for the help. I will not be asking for help again.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: May 31, 2013 at 6:57 PM
The real world is what happens with real equipment.
And the prophet of doom was to get you thinking. Why on earth would a Viper remote work with another brand? There are literally 100's of different remotes for DEI products, if you buy from the junkyard don't you think you should have some knowledge of these products yourself?
And I'd bet you find nothing useful about Hitech products using any search engine.
My only way of helping was to remove your delusions, please note none of your colonial countrymen has jumped in with any answers.
Lastly the advice was honest and impartial but we aren't here to hold your hand.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: May 31, 2013 at 8:51 PM
The main reason you didn't get the reply you expected on your post was the simple
fact that there aren't very many installers familiar with the products you mentioned
and fewer yet that answer posts ( many people lurk ).
While I have my doubts, they could be excellent systems even if they aren't real popular
with the average installer. As you are finding out, without installation manuals available
and a source for parts, trying to install and get functioning used items obtained from a
junk yard is a big challenge. It is not impossible but will require you to be very resourceful
in your search for answers. As Howie II pointed out, even a major brand like Viper has
many different remotes that will only function on one specific model. Throw in FCC
certifications and mix-n-match is a time wasting endeavor. I will bet that you might very
well be the first person that has even thought of trying to get a Viper remote FOB to
pair up with a Carbine Plus 3000 brain.
Most professional installers have perspective customers enter their shop from time to
time with items they purchased on their own, looking for assistance with the install.
Please understand that a professional installer is very knowledgeable and might want
to help everyone, but unfortunately time is money. Spending 4 hours searching for a
an installation guide or locating a working remote is way beyond the scope of business.
Then add the problem of "implied warranty" on the install with used items or items of
unknown reliability and most professional installer will try as Howie II did, to steer you
towards a major brand with known quality & reliability. While I'm sure you paid less for
the two used incomplete systems for have, a decent remote start with keyless entry system,
like the Viper 4103LXL with two remotes, is readily available on EBay for the sum of $45.
Ask an install question on that system and see how many complete and well thought-out
replies you get within a few hours.
As you probably guessed, most professional installers have tried many major brands
and chosen one or two that meet their requirements. Namely availability, price, support,
reliability and functionality. The simple fact that no one with experience on those two
brands replied could mean something. Additionally these same professional installers
have removed and replaced many of the lessor quality systems for obvious reasons.
While you might not have liked the answer supplied by Howie II, insulting him might not
be the best course. With over 10,00 posts and many years on the forum, Howie II has seen
many posts from fellow members desperately seeking help with some no name system and
read the follow-up posts when the unit malfunctioned within weeks. Perhaps a terse
"Thank You" and re-iterate the original question, supplying more info, like type of vehicle
and the main purpose of the system ( keyless entry, alarm security, remote start, etc ) would
be more effective. Who knows, there might be a forum member out there that has actually
installed the systems you mentioned, gotten them to work and is willing to copy or post the
manuals and answer any specific questions.
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Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: June 01, 2013 at 12:03 PM
Nwa. If I was to walk into a shop. And ask for for some help or for them to install the product I purchased. THe minute the installer started using terms. "Here in the real world" I would promptly leave. That is a condisending remark and it was not called for. I am a ASE mechanic. I am very knowledge about cars. Not the modules that I enquired about. Im on plenty of forums and give plenty of advice. Howies reply was an unproved attack on my intellegence. I dont take kindly to people insulting my intellegence.
He could have simply said that it was not worth while to look into/ install these products. This forum is bs. I dont really see anyone posting new info and I can see from the lack of replies that there are not any Mods or installers here to help. Just users that insult and dont intend to help
I DIDNT ASK FOR YOUR OPINION!!!! I asked for tech data on these 2 modules. Easy. right?
I guess not.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 01, 2013 at 1:17 PM
Apart from the fact that you can't spell the advice was spot on. Now stop wasting our time and go back to romancing your sister.
If you want to swap insults rest assured I'm pretty good at it.
Be assured this is the best forum out there but if you don't change your attitude, expect no help.
As a mechanic you should damn well know that that a key fob from a Toyota won't work with a Chevy.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: June 01, 2013 at 5:57 PM
Both systems use 434mhz code hoping fobs. So please explain why it doesnt work? My friend has a viper alarm on his car and some off brand alarm of his spouse's car. The viper remote controls both. And I said I had a viper alarm. My fob is a automate. So that blows your knowledge out the water. Give me one reason why it wont work other than the brands are diff. Im looking for tech advice. Nobody has offered any.
Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: June 01, 2013 at 6:02 PM
Kreg357 I understand that there isnt anyone familar with these modules. But why would howie troll my post. He hasnt offered any help. Dude comes out with "here in the real world." I greet new users with a welcome and thanks for contributing to the forum. I see no reason to put up with some donut hole who thinks he knows something but 'here in the real world' he hasnt offered any knowledgable response.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 01, 2013 at 6:36 PM
This is getting really daft.
Real world means ADVICE with the best intention based on my experience plus at least half a dozen others.
Example did an install for a customer with 3 THREE Clifford AG 5.5's, IMO still the best quality unit on the market, all purchased from fleabay, finally got one to work out of the three.
That's the real world sunshine. And I can call up DEI tech at any time.
Remotes, Clifford changed the AG 5 remote, in the UK from the 650 to 650 Mk ll.
The new remote WON'T work with the old and vice versa.
Ask Kregg about pairing DEI remotes with a 5301.
That's the REAL WORLD.
In plain English you're bloody delusional if you think anything you have is going to work.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: June 01, 2013 at 7:33 PM
This reply was written while Howie II made the above post but is still valid. Sorry for the length...
Sorry, can't really speak for Howie II. I know from personal experience, the amount of
damage a poorly installed, poorly designed, or low quality remote start system can cause
with the electronics in the newer vehicles. Blowing a fuse is the least of your worries.
As an ASE mechanic I'm sure you would counsel a customer that came into your shop with
no name, foreign manufacture ceramic brakes pads with visible manufacturing defects and
asked you to install them on his vehicle. You can imagine the law suit your shop is going to
be involved in if the brakes fail and cause an accident.
I didn't answer your original post because I don't have any first hand knowledge of the
brands and models you mentioned. Having been a member of this forum for a while, I
have seen posts go un-answered for days, the OP will bump and still no reply. That's
strange because there are many very knowledgeable members on this site but occasionally
it happens. You have probably seen this on the other sites you frequent. This usually
occurs on the off-the-wall type questions ( yours wasn't ) like "I just picked up the
ceramic brake rotors, calipers and pads from a wrecked Enzo Ferrari. Can I install them on
my 1986 5.0 notch-back Mustang if I switch to 5 bolt wheels?" With your background, you
know that you can make anything work but there is a lot more involved. And the first obvious
question is WHY. The second is how much time and money do you want to spend.
Anyway, I digress. From my own experience, as an example, I steer clear of remote start
systems that use the oil pressure sender instead of a Tachometer signal. It's a dead give
away that the system was poorly designed and will cause problems. I'm sure you have
found similar tell-tales in you line of expertise, too.
As a side note, Howie II, myself and others have spent many hours assisting fellow
members trying to install odd-ball systems ( like the ICBM7071 and others ) using poorly
translated, extremely brief and sometimes inaccurate manuals posted by the OP with
their question. These posts have gone on for weeks / months and have upwards of 8 pages.
We are willing to help and yes, sometimes a warning or bit of advise precedes the desired
assistance.
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Soldering is fun!
Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: June 02, 2013 at 11:37 AM
thanks kreg. you make valid points. I understand your reply and thank you for your input. However, I dont know what I did to offend the red coat over there(My name is john, not sunshine). You should world on your people skills. Anywho, I have obtained a remote for the carbine system and its just hooked up on my bench. It seems to be a descent unit,
Howie, I will say this, I should have just taken your advice. But you start throwing terms around that make it seem as if I dont know exactly what these modules are... poop. I have a viper 600esp(old) currently installed and I think the manual is like 47 pages long. You get what you pay for and I wouldnt recommend anyone buy these units. However, I dont see alot of infor for these 2 units. I thought that this thread might br able to bring together the scarce info out there on them.
Does anyone on the forum have a good suggestion on a unit for my wifes car? 1994 honda civic ex auto. I looked through the buy/sell section (that is what made me think the forum was dead).
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 02, 2013 at 11:59 AM
You're right I'll "word" on my people skills while you work on your spelling and attitude.
Of course I'm right, as Kregg will confirm I'm ALWAYS right.
And as a southern cracker you will notice I have a name.
Now that you phrased the last question decently anything from DEI; Viper, Avital, Clifford etc. Audiovox/Code Alarm and Compustar are the industry leaders, all good product and will work nicely with your wife's Civic, so if you have any install questions feel free to ask. (Nicely).
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: June 02, 2013 at 3:36 PM
For vehicle wiring, here are some sources :
Here is a link to Bulldog Security : https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.asp
Here is a link to Ready Remote : https://www.readyremote.com/main.asp
Here is a link to AudioVox : https://techservices.audiovox.com/AccessRequest.aspx Sign-up & info is free.
The civic is a very popular vehicle and straight forward to do. There is no transponder system so
no need for a bypass module. The big questions are:
Do you want remote start? Do you want an alarm system? Or both?
How much range do you need? Do you want two-way confirming remotes or just one-way?
You are right about not too much in the For Sale section. My guess is two main reasons. The cost
of a brand new system isn't all that high and with anything electronic, used isn't a real good idea. I
have been burnt a few times with used remotes and other items over the years and no one will
guarantee them.
As Howie II mentioned, any major brand will perform well if installed properly. I have had off brands
like Bulldog Security work flawlessly in personal vehicles for many years. Just remember that all
the major brands will not provide Technical Support to DIYers / end users. They even make it difficult
to get the full installation manuals. Fortunately most of those install guides can be found in the
Downloads Section or online
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Soldering is fun!
Posted By: john88leslie
Date Posted: June 02, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Yes, this is about the only place for the manuals.
I would like to do a full install. That means. Remote start, Window module including sunroof. I see there are alot of add ons for DEI systems. I have a viper 600esp with a ready remote module for remote start. As I said I'm ASE, so the wiring on these 2 cars are very straight forward.
I see on new units that the range increases with the price. Im not looking to drop $1000. $400 including sensors and window modules. Im not sure about what add ons to lean towards either.
Im sorry I made a spelling mistake. opps Didnt mean to offend you. And furthermore all my questions were asked nicely so... troll on.
Oh and that remoark about you being right is not valid. That is your opinion on these modules that you havent had any hands on with I assume. The carbine seems to be a solid unit. Old but solid. So dont think something is doodie just because its not a popular brand. Take Skunk2 and Spoon for honda. They were what people like you would have called crappy aftermarket parts. Now they are building 1000hp civics and s2k out of these doodiety aftermarket parts. Its all your opinion. You offered no help. SO again I say... troll on red coat. haha
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 02, 2013 at 5:20 PM
So you don't want me to teach you how to do a roof close on that car without the need for a closer? Fine cracker.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
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