ultra start and evo all 03 liberty

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: ultra start and evo all 03 liberty

Posted By: atppf
Subject: ultra start and evo all 03 liberty
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 12:54 AM

I used a Ultra Start 3295 with an Evo-All in a 03 Liberty. The vehicle started by remote starter once and stayed running, every time after the vehicle will start for 2 seconds then dies. Wired in as per instruction for evo-all (connection 1, program 1). Flashed evo-all as per instructions to 4.06 since it says 4.06MAX and MIN. Turned on D2D in options tab.

The door locks also are not working through Evo-All.

The horn honks 5 times after each start fail.

What am I doing wrong??

Thank you for any input

Replies:

Posted By: rémi
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 5:13 PM

From manual it could just be the hood is open.
:) hope it that easy for ya !

Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 6:21 PM

D2D makes it very difficult to diagnose since you cannot test individual wires (as you could with W2W). Were you able to successfully learn the tach signal? Tach should be supplied by the bypass, but if the unit does not recognize it right away, you may have to force learn it. Will the vehicle start and stay running if you put the key in the ignition (without turning the key)? What connections did you make at the ignition switch?

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Posted By: yellow_cake
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 6:31 PM

It would not even crank if it was a hood open issue.
Sounds like the transponder isn't being bypassed properly. To verify, try remote starting while the key is in the ignition switch.

Posted By: atppf
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 6:48 PM

To answer your questions, its not the hood pin (my luck is not that good), yes I did check tach and it is in "data mode", the vehicle will start and stay running if key is in ignition but if I remove the key from the vehicle it won't(tells me its the bypass). Connected yellow wire and WHITE/ red from evo all to blue wire vehicle side, blue wire from ignition cut. Blue cut wire going to ignition went to WHITE/ green from bypass. Purple / YELLOW from bypass to data wire yellow/purple(splice)on ignition. Vehicle has no factory alarm.

Posted By: rémi
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 6:49 PM

At least it got the discussion going posted_image

Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 7:15 PM

I believe that the "D2D" option in the Fortin FlashLink manager program will set the EVO-ALL up to use the DBI D2D communications protocol. The Ultra Start units can only work with the ADS iDatalink protocol and the Fortin DataLink protocol. You should re-flash the EVO-ALL without that D2D selected and force program the Ultra Start 3295 to Fortin protocol ( it should switch over automatically but... ). Then program the EVO-ALL to the Liberty again.

Also be aware that the U3295 is two-way D2D compatible if it is at firmware Ver A43 or higher ( below A43 is only one-way compatible ) and that the Tach signal is not supported through D2D and must be hardwired between the units.

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Soldering is fun!

Posted By: atppf
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 7:46 PM

When you check tach signal, the ultra start tells you if its set to "tach mode"-hard wired or "data tach mode"-from data or "tachless"-not wired and no data signal.
This remote starter I did wire through data and after wired and started vehicle and "learned" tach it signals to have tach from data.

This tells me that ultra start does have D2D tach. Unless I'm reading this wrong...but I have heard this from afew others also. I will call Ultra Start to confirm and post the reply I get.
Firmware 74 is what the case of the starter says.

Posted By: atppf
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 7:52 PM

Sorry forgot to answer the update question.
I use the flash link2 and every time I update a unit the program defaults to "fortin protocol" unless I change it from the drop down to D2D/DBI.
I did flash it with "fortin protocol"

Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: November 11, 2013 at 9:03 PM

I would try resetting and reprogramming the EVO. It is definitely a bypass issue if it starts and runs fine with the key in / near the cylinder...

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205

Posted By: atppf
Date Posted: November 13, 2013 at 9:59 PM

The Fortin instructions say 4.06MAX Firmware. I flashed another evo-all to the most current firmware regardless of the instructions, re-programmed to vehicle and it works fine now.

Thanks for everyone's help, awesome site!!!!

Posted By: atppf
Date Posted: November 23, 2013 at 10:26 AM

Anyone have any ideas why the vehicle would run rough when remote started but runs smooth once key taken over. Seems very odd????

Posted By: shift_happens
Date Posted: November 25, 2013 at 11:19 AM

make sure everything is powered correctly at the ignition harness when the car is remote started

Posted By: atppf
Date Posted: November 27, 2013 at 12:42 AM

shift_happens wrote:

make sure everything is powered correctly at the ignition harness when the car is remote started

Yes this was the first thing I did, all was well.

I got it fixed up, switched from d2d to w2w and works great every time now.

Thanks for all the help guys