viper 5301 with 18 pin con 04 grand am

I have an 04 grand am that i'm attempting to put a viper 5301 remote start in with an xpresskit dball 2.0

The 5301 I have has and 18 pin wiring harness the install manual that I can find are for units that have separate harnesses.

My issue is I have 2 pink ign wires and 2 orange wires on the ignition harness.

Wondering if anyone has a pictorial of a grand am install. What I have wired so far is

Remote Start, (H3) 8-pin connector
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT to pink ign (there is 2 pink wires)
H3/2 RED / WHITE +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY INPUT (not sure where I should hook this)
H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT to orange (there is 2 orange wires)
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT to yellow
H3/5 RED +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT to 12 V constant red
H3/6 PINK/WHITE IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT to green ign 2
H3/7 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87a (IF REQUIRED) OF FLEX RELAY
H3/8 RED / BLACK +12V FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT to 12V constant Red

Also i'm told I need to install a relay but not sure what the relay is for and how it should be hook up I have a 775 relay with red black brown orange and yellow wires.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I know the xpress kit control many functions but what other wires do I need to hook up form the RS module. And the bypass unit?

Remote Start, (H3) 8-pin connector
H3/1 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT to pink ign (there is 2 pink wires)
H3/2 RED / WHITE +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY INPUT    to 12V constant Red
H3/3 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT to orange (there is 2 orange wires)
H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT to yellow
H3/5 RED +12V FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT to 12 V constant red
H3/6 PINK/WHITE IGNITION 2/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT to green ign 2
H3/7 PINK/BLACK FLEX RELAY INPUT 87a (IF REQUIRED) OF FLEX RELAY  not used
H3/8 RED / BLACK +12V FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT to 12V constant Red

From some old notes on a 2003 Grand Am ( 2003 thru 2006 are the same ), I believe if you look at the main
ignition switch connector, you will see that the two Pink's go to the same pin.  The two Orange's are also
common at one connector pin.  Depending on the model, you might find a Brown wire in the ignition harness
that tests as an Accessory.  The extra relay could be used for this wire if you need to power it.

The hardest part of that install is pulling the bezel & radio and getting at the ignition wires to make your connections...  

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While I have pulled my fair share of grand am radios, I have also accessed the ignition wires through the gauge cluster cavity. Just another angle to look at things.

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"The hardest part of that install is pulling the bezel & radio and getting at the ignition wires to make your connections" .... No doubt about that, quite the small hole to work out of with big hands!

Bare with me I have only done one other install and it was a basic system on a vehicle that had no power accessories

Thank you for the quick reply.

So all the fused 12v got to the constant red that seems redundant!
I assumed that the pinks and oranges were the same. But I wasn't able to get to the ignition connector.
I'm not sure what I would need the relay for unless it has something to do with door locks? I believe this model uses a one wire lock system? I thought the xpresskit took care of that though?

Other then power and grounds and the parking lights, what wires will I actually need to hook up, and where should I hook them up?

Xpresskit wire to obd2 purple.
4 pin serial to remote start module.


Main Harness (H1), 12 pin connector
H1/1 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA AUX/TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT
H1/2 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT
H1/3 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT
H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay
H1/5 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND
H1/6 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT
H1/7 BLUE* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use jumper to set polarity)
H1/8 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C** OR N/O)
H1/9 BLACK/ WHITE (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT
H1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT
H1/11 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT
H1/12 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED OUTPUT

H2 Harness, 18-pin connector
H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT
H2/2 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT
H2/3 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT
H2/4 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT
H2/5 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT
H2/6 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT
H2/7 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT
H2/8 N/A
H2/9 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT
H2/10 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT
H2/11 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT
H2/12 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
H2/13 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT
H2/14 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT
H2/15 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O)
H2/16 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT
H2/17 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT
H2/18 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT

Thank you

The radio came out fine, with the 4"x4" area you have to get to the wires that's is the hard part!

Actually, you should find two Red wires in the ignition harness that test as +12V constant.  Just split
the R/S's load between them ( 4 or 5 wires ).

The door locks should be handled by the Viper to the DB-ALL2 via the D2D harness and from the DB-ALL2
to the car via the J1850 OBD2 connection.  But the DB-ALL2 install guide has this note :
In some vehicles, DBALL-GM2 may not control the doorlocks via data. Once programmed, test the door lock inputs to
determine whether DBALL-GM2 will activate these functions via data. If there is no activation, the door lock system will
need to be controlled in analog via the remote starter.

If you are using the DB-ALL2 flashed with the 402.GM2 v1.06 firmware & connected to the 5301 via D2D, there
will be many unused wires.

Main Harness (H1), 12 pin connector
H1/1 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA AUX/TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT handled by DB-ALL2 via D2D
H1/2 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT             Red @ ignition switch harness
H1/3 BROWN (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT Black @ Steering column or BCM Gray plug, Pin A4
H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE         not used
H1/5 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND        chassis ground
H1/6 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT            not used
H1/7 BLUE* FACTORY HORN INPUT (Use jumper to set polarity)       not used
H1/8 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C** OR N/O)          not used
H1/9 BLACK/ WHITE (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION                not used
H1/10 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER           not used
H1/11 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT       ***set for (+)          BROWN (+)  @ BCM, LIGHT GRAY Plug, Pin B8,
H1/12 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN LOCKED OUTPUT          not used

H2 Harness, 18-pin connector
H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM not used
H2/2 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT        not used
H2/3 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT   not used
H2/4 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT            not used
H2/5 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT   not used
H2/6 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT not used
H2/7 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT            not used
H2/8 N/A
H2/9 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT      handled by DB-ALL2 via D2D        
H2/10 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT           not used -  handled by DB-ALL2 via D2D  
H2/11 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT       not used
H2/12 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT       to external relay, Pin 85  - see wiring below
H2/13 PURPLE (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT not used
H2/14 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT      not used
H2/15 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O)           to Viper kit supplied hood pin
H2/16 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOG not used
H2/17 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT   WHITE (+)  @ SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL 
H2/18 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT      to chassis ground  ( if auto trans )

Extra 30/40 Amp SPDT relay with 20 Amp fuse for Brown ACC2 wire :
Relay Pin 85 to H2/12 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant through 20 Amp fuse ( one of the Red wires, again )
Relay Pin 30 to Brown @ ignition switch harness
Relay Pin 87a not used
The Brown ACC2 wire may not be necessary for a simple R/S install if the Heat and A/C function OK without it.

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Thanks A lot.

I'm going to go dig back into it. You have been a great help!
I will let you know the out come.

Okay the remote starter is working and starting vehicle as it should.

But the door locks are not working, the horn and lights pulse when you hit lock and unlock, but the locks do not function. Horn honks when panic is tripped, any ideas?

should I wire from dball to remote start unit for luck and unlock inputs and out puts

Thanks

Well, if the Tach Learn went OK and the Viper can pop the trunk open, then you have one of the vehicles that the note
( included above ) applies to.  The only work around is to hardwire this feature directly from the Viper to the vehicle as
shown in this diagram : https://diagrams.marktoonen.nl/DOWNLOADS/14052_GRAND-AM_GRAND%20AM%201%20WIRE%20JBS%20UNITS.pdf

If you don't already have the relays and resistor, you could purchase a Directed 451M Door Lock module that is the same
thing, in a neat package.  The resistor is included with the module.  Street price is > $9.  The 451M install guide is in the
Downloads section.

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At the same time I seen your post I was looking at the diagram for the 451M which I have one.   I'll have to put that in tomorrow.

I put a 1500 Ohm resistor on the unlock output, both wires just go to
WHITE (1-Wire System) See NOTE #2 @ BCM, LIGHT GRAY Plug, Pin A2, See NOTE #1
I don't need to cut the wire correct?

Kreg,

Thanks for all your help I really appreciate it!

Correct, no need to cut the vehicles White door lock wire.  Follow the 451M's Type H diagram, no resistor on the Lock Output and the 1.5K ohm resistor on the Unlock output.

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Relay install, remote start working properly, and car is put back together.
Thanks for the knowledge Kreg

Happy to assist.    Got it done before it really gets cold. 

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