viper 5704 when i disarm my viper and the
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Topic: viper 5704 when i disarm my viper and the
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Subject: viper 5704 when i disarm my viper and the
Date Posted: November 27, 2013 at 4:56 PM
When I disarm my viper and the dome light comes on, the system doesnt rearm its self, as when the dome light come on it thinks a door has been opened and this defeats the accidental disarm and auto rearm process, is there any way I can have the best of both worlds, so if my system does acctidently disarm, that it will automatically rearm, or am I going to have to loose the dome light function, Just though the dome light function would be handy for my daughter when she she drives the car at night
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Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: November 27, 2013 at 7:02 PM
depends on the vehicle.
what if you hooked alarm's door trigger wire to terminal 87 on your supervision relay and hooked 87a to ground and 30 to your cars door jamb switch wire?
draw this up and see if you think it might solve your problem. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: November 27, 2013 at 10:40 PM
it would be alot of help if you would explain the vehicle and way you connected the domelight supervision. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: November 28, 2013 at 4:17 AM
itsyuk wrote:
depends on the vehicle.
what if you hooked alarm's door trigger wire to terminal 87 on your supervision relay and hooked 87a to ground and 30 to your cars door jamb switch wire?
draw this up and see if you think it might solve your problem.
Its an 89 Nissan GQ Wagon, it is wired up as per the instruction to the -door wire, hence everytime The alarm is disarmed it thinks the door has been opened and doeesnt auto rearm..
Hope this helps
Marc
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 02, 2013 at 5:45 AM
Can anyone give more advice and detail please..., I personally can live with out ther dome light feature of my alarm, but am looking at it being a safty thing for when my daughter has borrowed the car at night. If the alarm is accidently turned off, eg keys bouncing around in her bag, the second the dome light comes on it thinks a door has been opened and the alarm wont reset and rearm its self... If I leave the dome light feature not hooked up, and my daughter were to accidently disarm the car, it will re arm and lock with in 20 seconds of no door being opened etc.. Please help any advice would be appreicated, and can some one tell me the difference between pin 47A and pin 47..
Many thanks in advance
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:45 AM
if your interior light bulbs have power to them all the time and the door when opened grounds their other terminal so they light up, here is how you do it. if your system is not like this.... the following is incorrect.
i am not familiar with the terminal number you posted so i am gonna tell you how i would do it.
using the common bosch style relay to run the domelight supervision, here we go!!!.
terminal 86 goes to constant 12v
terminal 85 goes to the domlight supervision wire
terminal 30 goes to the wire that runs from your car door pin switch (which gets grounded when door is open)
terminal 87a goes to your alarms "neg" door trigger wire
terminal 87 goes to ground
this set-up will disconnect the alarm door trigger while the domelight supervision is activated and the instant domelight supervision stops the alarm will be reconnected.
if anyone has a problem with this or if your interior light operates in a different way than i have described please let me know ASAP so we can make any needed changes. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 12:54 AM
if you end up using my wiring recommendation, you will have trouble programming features on the alarm because the alarm had to "see" the door open while you program. so make yourself a note somewhere to remember this. LOL
to program the alarm, you will need to disconnect the domelight supervision wire from the relay while programming is being performed. then once you are done programming, hook that wire up again. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 1:34 AM
Ok I'm really showing how little I know about car electrics
1. where do I find the domlight supervision wire
Any diagrams would be appreicated. you can message me here or email me to c-k-h@bigpond.com
Regards
Marc
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 1:47 AM
go to the downloads/manuals section of this website and type in the 4 digits of your model number in the search box.
download the installation manual its nice to have one around.
look up the DLS (dome light supervision) wires color and which plug it comes from on the alarm and then find your alarm brain and follow that wire.
once you find the relay at the end of that wire it just might be the relay i was talking about.
using the "relays" section of this website, familiarize your self on how the bosch style relay works.
once you have mastered the possibilities of its 5 terminals you can see the changes needed when compared to what i have written.
OR... you can pay for my round trip to your place and i will do all the work for ya.
after you have read up on the relays and stuff, post again if you still need some walking through things.
browsing around this website may lead you to someone who lives near enough to help you in person.
keep us posted!! ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 1:55 AM
Is it the 4 digits of my alarm or the year of my car? Its an 1989 Nissan GQ Patrol, I have the hard copy of that manual here!!
Regards
Marc
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 1:59 AM
your alarm model.
there is a pdf of your alarm on this site.its good using the pdf because you can quickly search out a word.
im gonna send you a PM w/my phone number in case you would like to call. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:14 AM
Thanks for the PM with your phone number, but calling from Australia would be very expensive, re model of alarm, I have already downloaded it this is what it has to say.
H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT
Thats the only reference it makes to the dome light supervision
I had it connected to H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O)
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:21 AM
Is terminal 87a goes to your alarms "neg" door trigger wire the
H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPERVISION OUTPUT
And terminal 30 goes to the wire that runs from your car door pin switch (which gets grounded when door is open) H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O)?
Where do I find terminal 85 goes to the domlight supervision wire? The earths are a no brainer Just earth them...
Regards
Marc
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:30 AM
do you have a relay?
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yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:31 AM
you dont have a relay connected?!?!
the domelight supervision wire should ONLY be connected to a relay. the relay does the hard work.
i cant believe the supervision circuit hasnt blow out of the alarm brain. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:36 AM
I want and intend to use a relay to get around my problem of the alarm not rearming.... the reasone the wire hasnt killed the brain is my dome lights are LED so draws less than the -200mA
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:39 AM
The wire from the doors that we are connecting to should show ground with the door open and 12v or so with ALL doors closed. if it does not, do not attempt the following!!
so of course you need a relay w/wiring socket.
they are around 5-7 dollars on ebay.
the relay's #85 terminal hooks only to H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA
the relay's #86 terminal hooks only to 12v constant
the relay's #87 terminal hooks only to ground
the relay's #87a terminal hooks only to H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT
the relay's #30 terminal would hook to the interior light wire from your door
------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 3:40 AM
LED or not.... the warranty would be void not using a relay. its not wise to do it any other way.
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yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 6:05 PM
I'm not sure if that wire shows open circuit or 12V when doors are closed. "The wire from the doors that we are connecting to should show ground with the door open and 12v or so with ALL doors closed. if it does not, do not attempt the following!!"
But I think I'm starting to follow or at least getting a mental picture of the wiring diagram you have writen what wire goes to what pole.
Hope your treatments for the next 9 days go well for you, I've been there done that myself, currently being treated for bowel cancer....
All the best
Anyone with any other ideas would be greatly appreicated, the one thing I know for 100% is if I put the BLACK / YELLOW to 12V it will blow an IC in the alarms brain, so will wiring it the way you said the relay's #85 terminal hooks only to H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA the relay's #86 terminal hooks only to 12v constant
Any and all help and advice appreicated...
Regards
Marc
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 03, 2013 at 6:08 PM
So will connecting the relay's #85 terminal hooks only to H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA and the relay's #86 terminal hooks only to 12v constant have the same effect as connecting the BLACK / YELLOW dirrectly to a 12V Positive? I'm a little paranoid about it...
Marc
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: December 04, 2013 at 2:09 AM
NO.... it is not like connecting directly to a positive. the coil of the relay limits current to around 80-150 ma (depending on relay brand).
your lack of understanding all of this leads me to strongly urge you to find a competent installer or car alarm saavy person and have them read the post and perform the work.
it would all be second nature to soemone like that. i would hate for you to make a mistake along the way and cause problems for your alarm or maybe even you car.
i can explain it a million times, but i cant make you understand it. there will most likely be a moment that you see/understand it and you will get a warm fuzzy feeling. from that point on, you will have "the vision"
PS...when the relay is installed, at least remove the interior light fuse while connections are made.
------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: December 04, 2013 at 2:27 AM
I did auto electric's as a trade about 30 years ago.and I'm 50 now, so like riding a bike its coming back to me, as I ask stupid questions,I'd rather ask a stupid question than jump blindly and stuff things up
I appreicate all you help and advice
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: January 26, 2014 at 11:15 PM
itsyuk wrote:
if your interior light bulbs have power to them all the time and the door when opened grounds their other terminal so they light up, here is how you do it. if your system is not like this.... the following is incorrect.
i am not familiar with the terminal number you posted so i am gonna tell you how i would do it.
using the common bosch style relay to run the domelight supervision, here we go!!!.
terminal 86 goes to constant 12v
terminal 85 goes to the domlight supervision wire
terminal 30 goes to the wire that runs from your car door pin switch (which gets grounded when door is open)
terminal 87a goes to your alarms "neg" door trigger wire
terminal 87 goes to ground
this set-up will disconnect the alarm door trigger while the domelight supervision is activated and the instant domelight supervision stops the alarm will be reconnected.
if anyone has a problem with this or if your interior light operates in a different way than i have described please let me know ASAP so we can make any needed changes.
Only thing I've left out of the equation, is my dome light has a 10 second delay on it so when the door is shut the light stays on for 10 seconds, I think the kit I put in it was called a courtisy light timer or delay... will that afect the schematics you've given me?
Regards
Marc
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: January 26, 2014 at 11:19 PM
itsyuk wrote:
if you end up using my wiring recommendation, you will have trouble programming features on the alarm because the alarm had to "see" the door open while you program. so make yourself a note somewhere to remember this. LOL
to program the alarm, you will need to disconnect the domelight supervision wire from the relay while programming is being performed. then once you are done programming, hook that wire up again.
I could get around most of the programming issues that this wold cause by using the Bitwriter I have...
Regards
Marc
Posted By: itsyuk
Date Posted: January 27, 2014 at 12:11 AM
i think my tips for you are not right since you car already has its own timer for the interior lights.
its been a while since we dealt with all this stuff for you so i need to refresh my memory on the whole matter. i will re-read the posts over the next couple days and see if i can offer any advice.
i sure hope someone else can shed some light on this. ------------- yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
If your system moves you physically and not emotionally, you have wasted your money.
Posted By: ckhaustralia
Date Posted: January 27, 2014 at 12:41 AM
itsyuk wrote:
i think my tips for you are not right since you car already has its own timer for the interior lights.
its been a while since we dealt with all this stuff for you so i need to refresh my memory on the whole matter. i will re-read the posts over the next couple days and see if i can offer any advice.
i sure hope someone else can shed some light on this.
Thank you I appreicate your help, time and advice.
Regards
Marc
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