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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=135502
Printed Date: May 05, 2024 at 4:02 PM


Topic: where/how to trouble shoot

Posted By: voltswagon
Subject: where/how to trouble shoot
Date Posted: December 09, 2013 at 8:02 PM

If it use to work and now it doesnt work, where do you start?

How can you test without the bypass module and vis versa?
Without each other it will not start.

Bulldog 2way pager
PLJX

Tried - reprogramming PLJX
remote in the vehicle I can hear something click.



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Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: December 09, 2013 at 9:12 PM
What exactly is happening when you try to remote start it?

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 10, 2013 at 7:38 PM

Nothing...

Using the remote. Do 2 press.  Press once the SatelliteDish icon(2way pager) appears and 2nd press should start, but the icon disappear instead.



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Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: December 10, 2013 at 8:42 PM
Have you tried replacing the battery in the remote? Did anything happen around the time that things changed (ie battery going dead or otherwise being disconnected, repair work on vehicle, etc)

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205




Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 10, 2013 at 9:47 PM
Does anything work at all? If not check the power and ground connections. A poor ground can cause more problems than anything else.
The system is not in valet mode, is it?

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 11, 2013 at 8:53 AM

Well here's the thing.  It hasn't been started all summer.  By the time I realized it wasn't starting it was getting cold. Between those times, yea there has been oil change and such.

When I first realized it wasn't starting was when I replaced the remote battery.  It was dead all summer, never bother to replace it.
This is my believe there's power to both the module and the bypass.
Starter.
1. When try to start, hear some kind of iniating from the module.
2. When in valet mode, it would show up on remote ZZzz

Bypass.
1. Tried reprogramming/learning it and it did.

One thing I didn't do is install other options, like headlights, door locks and etc.  Maybe if I install the headlights wire, it might show me blinking lights error?

By the way this is from a 05 colorado truck, no starter wire.



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Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 11, 2013 at 11:37 AM
If you do not want to parking lights to flash when the system is activated you can get yourself a testlight as a temporary substitute. That way you can see the flash status without having to permanently connect the system to parking light circuit.
Since you are under the dash check the connection from the ignition switch. It sounds like you have a bad connection either with the RS or PLJX.

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 11, 2013 at 7:57 PM
I'll have to double check when it's a little warmer out(detached garage here).  I'm thinking it should be ok because I soldered them.

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Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 11, 2013 at 8:33 PM
Ok then, assuming the connections are good. Check that the outputs from the RS unit. Make sure they are providing 12 volts at the proper time.

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 11, 2013 at 10:09 PM

walk by me again?

check output wire at proper time?



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Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: December 12, 2013 at 11:46 AM
12 volts constant should not change.
Ignition(s) should come on when remote start turns on and stay at 12 volts through the crank cycle.
Accessory(ies) should come on when remote start turns on and drop voltage through the crank cycle.
Starter(s) should show 12 volts only during the crank cycle.

Are any other functions working (locks, trunk, etc)?

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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205




Posted By: KPierson
Date Posted: December 13, 2013 at 7:23 PM
Is there a hood pin installed? If so, check to make sure it hasn't been damaged.

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Kevin Pierson




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 16, 2013 at 10:00 AM
OK I redid every thing. I noticed fused was blown and was hoping that was the issue but no luck. There were no sound or confirmation from the starter module. Not getting my signal seems like but will receive to remote.
When pageing the remote it would sound as it should.
Putting it to valet also how up on remote.
Since I redid everything, I'd also had to reprog the bypass and that work, else it won't start wth a key.
I think its the RS module bad.

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Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 16, 2013 at 10:01 AM
I installed the simplist way, just the starter. No light no lock no trunk no hood.

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Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 16, 2013 at 11:00 AM
Because you say that your car would not start without reprogramming the bypass leads me to believe that there is a problem with the installation. Please list the exact wires from the RS and what they are connected to in the car. Also list any wires that you had to cut to make connections. Include the wires used from RS to bypass module.

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 16, 2013 at 5:44 PM

for Chevy Colorado, there's no starter wire.  There is a wire that need to split.

When I say I have to reprogram the bypass, i mean learn the code/key or whatever you call it. 
I'm absolutely sure everything is correctly wired.

91stt] wrote:

ecause you say that your car would not start without reprogramming the bypass leads me to believe that there is a problem with the installation. Please list the exact wires from the RS and what they are connected to in the car. Also list any wires that you had to cut to make connections. Include the wires used from RS to bypass module.

Here is a new find, this might be it, I will have to try it Wednesday.
posted_image



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Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 17, 2013 at 12:04 AM
The key does not rely on the bypass module in order to start the car. The key should always be able to start the car, even if the bypass module is dead. Clearly this sounds like a wiring issue.
Humor us and tell us how you connected everything so a proper diagnosis can be performed. It is hard enough to try to diagnosis problems on the web, it is harder when there is little information provided.

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 17, 2013 at 3:29 PM

I disagree.
With correct wiring, if your bypass is not learn/programmed it will not start because the DATA ECM/KEY is spliced and has to go thru the bypass module.
Anyway, here's the picture.  Also got a reply from Bulldog Security Support.

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Here's from Bulldog support:
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< ><"Times New Roman">You have a complex issue that requires you to talk to a Master Tech,
< ><"Times New Roman">Please give me a number where I can have him give you a call during the day, Tech Support is in the office 9am thru 5:30pm Monday thru Friday, all times are Eastern, or you can give him a call yourself, his name is J*** at 1-800-561-1110 ext *** and thank you………..Tech Support

 



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Posted By: offroadzj
Date Posted: December 17, 2013 at 5:17 PM
Yes the factory wire gets cut, but it is run through an internal relay in the bypass that is closed until the remote start activation signal tells it to open (and send the learned signal to the BCM). It is specifically designed to be closed under failure so it should never prevent the car from starting. My money is on a bad connection as well.


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Kenny
Owner / Technician
KKD Garage LLC
Albany, NY 12205




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 18, 2013 at 11:12 AM
Just got done talking with tech. With all re-trouble shooting that I'd already did on my own, tech concluded that I need a new remote. Its not sending signal but receive just fine. New remote is $50 plus shipping, I'm thinking of getting new system from eBay.

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Do Text Then Drive




Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 18, 2013 at 2:56 PM
what is the model number of the bulldog?

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 18, 2013 at 6:40 PM
500 Deluxe with 2way pager

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Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 18, 2013 at 6:43 PM

I actually ordered another 2way system from ebay with 2 remotes. 1x 1way remote and 1x 2way remote.  This is really cheap, I hope it works. $45
compare to Bulldog 500 $150-$179.

I know someone will say "you get what you pay for"



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Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 18, 2013 at 10:27 PM
You can try to start the system by grounding the WHITE/ black wire momentarily. If it starts, the install is fine and may be the remote. If it does not start, recheck your installation.

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM
So that's how you outside lol. I'll try that. So momentary, like touch/flick it or ground until it start.

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Posted By: 91stt
Date Posted: December 19, 2013 at 3:39 PM
like 1 second and let off

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This information is provided only as a reference.
All circuits should be verified with a digital multi-meter prior to making any connections.




Posted By: voltswagon
Date Posted: December 19, 2013 at 9:36 PM

just realized my joke didn't make sense.

I mean to say
 "So that's how you hotwire"

instead of
"So that's how you outside lol"



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