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2008 nissan sentra, remote start, pythonPrinted From: the12volt.comForum Name: Car Security and Convenience Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc. URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=135601 Printed Date: May 02, 2024 at 8:22 AM Topic: 2008 nissan sentra, remote start, python Posted By: merlins gt Subject: 2008 nissan sentra, remote start, python Date Posted: December 22, 2013 at 9:58 PM Hello
I have a 08 Nissan Sentra and I am going to install a python 5303 alarm / remote start! this car is just the plane base stock model the keys I think have the chips in them, anyway I got the Xpres pkall for the key bypass but it does not show that it is for the 2008 model so I have returned it and got the Xpres dball2! I hope this time I got the right one. now were do you find the wiring diagram for this car and just how hard is it going to be to install this system in this car? this car has a Clifford matrix rs3 alarm/door lock system is right now (this was sold to my wife and was stated as it could have remote start added later but she was lied to) I have done a lot of wiring on cars before but never an alarm/remote start. as I think this will take a lot of time to do this the right way but I do not know were to start to find all the wires in the car is there a wiring diagram some were? Thanks for all the help Bill ------------- Bill Replies: Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: December 22, 2013 at 10:03 PM ooopps
Sorry its a Clifford matrix 1 that is installed ------------- Bill Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: December 22, 2013 at 10:07 PM I am not thinking sorry
question am I going to have to get the XKLoader2 to make the Xpres dball2 work on this car?? ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: December 23, 2013 at 5:06 AM For vehicle wiring, here are some sources : The DB-ALL2 needs 402.NISS01 v1.04 firmware loaded on it for your 2008 Sentra ( regular key ). I am not sure how ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: December 24, 2013 at 10:18 AM Thank you kreg357 for your help with this
I know this car has them keys that have the chips in them my wife had a plane key cut and it would not start I ordered the xkloader and the bitwriter today I took a look at the way the matrix was installed today too dam cartoys just wrapped the wire in then tapped them up I think I am going to solder the wires when I do this just hope there are no problems that will pop up ------------- Bill Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: December 30, 2013 at 6:24 PM been looking at the install for this dball2 and from looking at this
CAN HIGH Wire Color OBDII Pin 6 BCM Pin 22 CAN LOW Wire Color OBDII Pin 14 BCM Pin 21 this is from the install manual then if you look at the flash logic site they say ODB 2 connector does I matter were to connect this?? ------------- Bill Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: January 24, 2014 at 3:55 PM Need some Advice Please
been doing all the reading about this install that I can. I got a question this DBALL2 and this python 5303 the DBALL2 do I hook all the wires up on this IE; door locks, factory alarm, brakes, etc. ?? and just hook up the wires for the DBALL2 for the key bypass? then hook the rest of the wires to the python 5303 for the doors, factory alarm disable, lights etc.?? or does all the wires from both units need to be hooked up??? ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: January 24, 2014 at 8:47 PM It looks like XpressKit has come out with newer firmware / install guide for your 2008 Sentra regular key when using the Use the Vehicle Application Guide on Page 2 to see the supported functions for your 2008 Sentra. This shows what items are Please note that if your Sentra has the Factory Alarm, you must connect the Vipers Lock and Unlock wires to the BCM and ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: January 24, 2014 at 11:07 PM Thanks Kreg357 !!
the car I think came with a factory alarm it has Nissan FOB and there is a red light that flashes in the dash when you lock the doors looking at the old Clifford matrix 1 alarm installed it looks like I can just cut those wires and solder the new alarm in? I will at this point hook up the DBALL 2 all the wires that can be hooked up as for the programming change to the DBALL 2 change it to this 402.NISS1HT v3.11 or if not can this be done with the bitwriter 998t? I got this too just in case as for the python 533 alarm, remote start, keyless entry this I will only hook up the door lock and unlock as you said above factory alarm bypass and all the rest to the DBALL 2 when all the wires are connected and the system is up I can program the python with the bitwriter and then the DBALL 2 then I can connect the D2D cable between the two right?? ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: January 25, 2014 at 5:25 AM Bill, The current Clifford Matrix 1 system must be removed without causing any problems. While some of the current Clifford Matrix 1 connections to the car could be re-used by the Python 5303, I would be very While every installer has his own preferences and routine during an install, here is how I would do it ( W2W mode ). According to the info I have, your Sentra has two Accessory wires. You will use the thick Pink/White wire from the H3 harness, Assuming the Sentra has an automatic trans, the DB-ALL2's Clutch connection and the EBrake/Handbrake connection won't be Verify that the Sentra has the Factory installed Hood Pin. If it does not have one, the DB-ALL2 can't supply that signal and you The Sentra does not have Auto Headlights, so that connection isn't used. The DB-ALL2 input marked Blue/White (-) GWR goes to the Python's Dark Blue (-) Status Output wire. Make sure the Python is set for (+) Parking Light output ( internal jumper/fuse ). The Python thick Violet (+) Start Output goes to the Sentra's Starter wire at the ignition switch harness and to the DB-ALL2, As noted, this is assuming W2W mode connections between the Python and the DB-ALL2. If you choose to go with D2D ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: January 25, 2014 at 6:17 PM Ok I will admit I am new at this like most people that come here seeking help to save a I would say more then a few bucks
Kreg357 I do not know how much you make for a living but I think it is not enough!!! your knowledge about this alarm-remote start stuff is vast I think and thanks for all the help 2008 Nissan Sentra auto trans no keyless trunk just a stock plane sentra it came with keyless entry, I do not know if it has a factory alarm is there any way to find out?? there is a red car symbol that flashes all the time on the dash, factory alarm?? I just did the DBALL2 flash to 402.NISS1HT v3.11 so D2D changes everything?? I would think that would be easier but will wire it up as you said to! but am still courios ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: January 25, 2014 at 7:09 PM We are all trying to save money with the current economy. Nissan's aren't the easiest cars to do. The DB-ALL2 should save a To test for a Factory Alarm system, try this : If horn starts beeping, you have the Factory Alarm. I am not familiar with the Clifford Matrix 1 system currently installed in the I prefer the W2W method. It is very logical and always works well. There are a few gray areas when you go D2D. Things like, ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: flobee4 Date Posted: January 25, 2014 at 7:27 PM hello,
I think the best way to test for a factory alarm on the Nissan's is to: 1) roll down the window on the drivers door 2) Get out of the car and close the drivers door 3) Lock the doors using the key in the drivers door lock cylinder 4) Wait at least 1 minute 5) Reach in the window and unlock the drivers door from the inside and open the drivers door by using the inside handle. 6) If there is no horn honking then you do not have a Factory alarm. If the horn starts honking then I would say you have a factory alarm. 7) If the horn is honking and it has a factory alarm then you will be able to turn off the factory alarm by putting the key into the drivers door key cylinder and twisting the key to unlock. the horn will stop honking if its a factory alarm. Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: January 29, 2014 at 6:53 PM Thanks Kreg357
I really do not like to bad mouth companies but car toys sold this Clifford matrix 1 system as it could have remote start added late it what she wanted then well sorry but you need a new system to get remote start but on her sale receipt she had them note the upgrade to remote start! So I do not feel bad about saying this ! Looking at the install the person that did it soldered everything there is a hood pin installed with the Clifford system. I took this car back to car toys with the receipt after my wife did and asked the problem for the upgrade all I was told was that the Clifford unit could not be upgraded so I said well that is what my wife asked for and it is noted on the receipt they stuck to there guns so he I am! I can figure this out I understand what the wires from the DBALL 2 were the install says for them to go but I can only find an install guide on the net for a avital 5303 I hope it is the same as the python 5303 My youngest son got a job at a Dodge dealer and they are starting him from the ground up to be trained to be a factory dodge mechanic and he will get extra credits if he learns new skills so he got the same unit to be installed in his jeep! so now I am in double deep get all info I can then we will get my wifes car done first then the dodge dealer will allow my son to do his install on his jeep at work for the credits I think they might time him on this hell I would!! as for me dam I am an old 53 year old fart that can hardly get up from my knee's ( take car of your body while your young cus old age is going to hit ya with pain if you don't!!!!!! ) I drive truck so when I get home I will check for the factory alarm then do the bench work ( soldering ) for the pre install with my son might as well use his younger body then mine eh? Thanks Kreg357 for your help and Thanks for 12volt.com for this site oh kreg357 ??? a 30/40 kreg rebord to a .357 ?? I keep think this of you nick! Bill ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: January 29, 2014 at 9:31 PM There should have been a 2 page Quick Install Guide with the 5303 system. It should give you a connector / wire name and Your next step should be to make up a Python harness chart showing where each wire will be connected. This will be your If the Clifford's wires were nicely soldered & insulated, you can re-use them. Things like door locks and the hood pin. The newer Jeeps are a breeze to do. Check in the Pictorials section. There are several there on various models with various ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: February 02, 2014 at 11:57 AM 08 Nissan update
Again thanks Kreg357 I checked for factory alarm test kreg357 way and flobee4's way no nada nothing happened ------------- Bill Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: February 02, 2014 at 4:25 PM yes I have the install page for the python 5303 and the DBALL2
Kreg357 Thanks for your help!! I think if it is ok since this sentra has no factory alarm no trunk release hookup, auto trany, no auto headlight, all I wish to hookup is the alarm system, remote door lock/unlock and this dam remote start my wife is begging for! so if I go through the install for this DBALL2 hook up the hscan high hscan low to the ODB2 connector the clock and data connections from harness 12 and 14 from the DBALL2 The DB-ALL2 input marked Blue/White (-) GWR goes to the Python's Dark Blue (-) Status Output wire. The Python thick Violet (+) Start Output goes to the Sentra's Starter wire at the ignition switch harness and to the DB-ALL2, Violet wire on the Black 10 Pin connector 12 volt + ground wire then hookup the python 5303 system and use the D2D wire between the two??? or do I connect al the wires from the DBALL2 to the same points needed as the python system connects to Sorry I have been reading and rereading to the point this dam thing is giving me a headache and it is not making sense no more Bill ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: February 02, 2014 at 4:56 PM That's good. The DB-ALL will be able to handle the door locks thru the CAN data, no need for direct connections to the BCM.
------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: February 02, 2014 at 5:14 PM If you want to try D2D, just connect the D2D harness between the Python and the DB-ALL2. Make the DB-ALL2 connections to the
vehicle you listed. There is no need for the GRW, +12V, (+) Starter or chassis ground connections to the DB-ALL2, as they are all handled by the D2D harness ( dashed Blue lines ). All that is left is the Python to Sentra connections : 1. main ignition harness IGN1, Starter1, ACC1, ACC2 ( Pink/White Flex set to ACC2 ) 2. chassis ground 3. H1 Red +12V power and three thick RED / xxx from H3 4. siren 5. BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT 6. GRAY (-) HOOD PIN SWITCH INPUT 7. BROWN (-) 200 mA HORN optional ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: February 02, 2014 at 9:15 PM Again THANKS Kreg357
Super Bowl Sunday and my wife's team lost and I said something like they should not have gotten this far from the way they played this game and it could be that they sold the game out! now im in the dog house! you said jeeps are easy my son jeep is a 1999 jeep grand Cherokee ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: February 02, 2014 at 9:33 PM Newer ones are easy... Older ones can be a pain. Gray ignition key or Black ignition key? Get a good bypass full feature module and do a search on the Parking Lights. Plenty of info on this. 1999 through 2004 are the same. I usually do them with an iDatalink bypass module flashed ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: yellow_cake Date Posted: February 03, 2014 at 12:19 AM merlins gt wrote: For a full featured interface, there is a discontinued Xpresskit model, I believe XK531 (JDL jeep firmware). You might get that one for very cheap if you can find it. Only thing to note is that it requires 2 working keys to program the bypass (assuming the Jeep has grey keys). I've had it in a family Concorde for over 6 years, no problems so far. Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: February 03, 2014 at 11:03 AM Thanks Guy's
we got the same python 5303 and DBALL 2 for my son's 99 jeep grand Cherokee I figured if we worked together on my wife's Nissan sentra and sense he has never done nothing like this he will know what to look for when they at the dealership were he is getting his training and works he will know what to do! we flashed his DBALL2 last night and checked all options on it I think he thinks that his foreman at work will let him do the d2d way on his jeep but talking to Kreg357 here I think I would make him do the w2w way but I might be wrong. He had to take the Python 5303 and DBALL2 in to get it approved for the training course???? they are setting this up under? how ever they work it or call it I do have one question on this Nissan Sentra sense it has no remote trunk release would it be wired any way for this from the factory?? if wired could it be that if I bought the parts needed if pre wired it should be no problem to hook up the remote trunk release??? ------------- Bill Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: March 21, 2014 at 12:41 AM Kreg357
I got the DBAL2 installed and the alarm installed, Everything works bur the remote start it will start if you put the key in the ignition I hooked it up the way you pointed out in the dball-dball2-niss1ht_en_ig_me20140116 !! I double and triple checked everything I then took this 08 Nissan sentra to the car stereo / alarm installer and he checked it out then he tried 3 different FLCAN units and they would not start the car if you put the key in the ignition then the FLCANs would start the car by remote to!! he put the DBALL2 back in and charged me $200 buck and then said take it to a die dealer I think I will try to wire it up as in this pdf dball-dball2-niss01_en_ig_pga20111215a on the DBALL2 when hooked up all I get is a solid red light Bill ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: March 21, 2014 at 7:45 AM Strange problem. If I followed correctly, the R/S unit will remote start the engine if a working key is inserted ( and not turned ) Did the DB-ALL2 program correctly? A few things to check / try : I'm not sure, but I think you went D2D. If so, try switching over to W2W. It's possible something is bad with the Python and it's not ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: March 21, 2014 at 2:51 PM Kreg357
I have the yellow/black stipe pin 10 hooked to the red clock wire at the N.A.T.S. I got ORANGE / black stripe pin 11 and the yellow pin 8 hooked to the vehicle side of the orange side of the N.A.T.S. wire I got the orange / YELLOW pin 9 wire hooked to the orange wire key side I hooked up DB-ALL2 input marked Blue/White (-) GWR goes to the Python's Dark Blue (-) Status Output wire. and I hooked up the hood pin wire but if you look at the n.a.t.s connector plug it says pin 2 clock and pin 4 data but if you look at the plug from the pdf install file pic those wires are yellow =data and black as the clock wiring reference sheet says red is clock and orange is data ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: March 21, 2014 at 6:37 PM Sorry, my mistake with the Data and Clock wire colors. I swapped the Red & Orange colors in my write-up. Your connections are correct.
All three bypass manufactures seem to agree on the pin location and wire colors ( although Fortins' pin numbering is reversed ). I don't have any photos of that vehicle. Are you running in D2D or W2W mode? I don't use DB-ALL's and I'm not sure you can mix-n-match. If you are in D2D mode, using the D2D harness, then the DB-ALL gets its' power and ground through that, along with the GWR bypass signal. Not sure if you hardwire the GWR signal at that point. Might be best to switch over completely to W2W mode and see what happens. ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: March 22, 2014 at 11:05 AM Hi Kreg357
Thanks for your HELP !! at this point I am mad I went the way of D2D the wire color for the data and clock is correct as below I have the yellow/black stipe pin 10 hooked to the red clock wire at the N.A.T.S. I got ORANGE / black stripe pin 11 and the yellow pin 8 hooked to the vehicle side of the orange side of the N.A.T.S. wire I got the orange / YELLOW pin 9 wire hooked to the orange wire key side as I said I took this Sentra to cave audio in Woodburn Or at this point he charged $200 to fix what ever I messed up? at that point he said it was the DBALL2 and sold me a FLCAN for $90 well that did not work any way he ran out of time and told me if I worked at it again he would give some help but he blamed the flashing for the dball2 to the car at this point so I asked the why did not the flcans work?? I got no answer. took the car back to him yesterday all I got was hands in the air and he was not a DEI tech and I needed to go to a dei dealer! went to car toys Salem Oregon man oh man did I get raped there $330 to get it fixed there 1- the installer said D2D is digital and digital does not read tach signals??? is not the car computer system in DIGITAL code?? 2- ran 1 wire I did not hook up a tach wire to a fuel injector 3- reflashed the dball2 and again it was the same as I did 4- And this is the whole problem DEI alarms/remote starts are programed by the factory to be in bitwriter mode not in immobilizer mode! what you need to do is once installed program your alarm by the valet button or bitwriter! THEN YOU NEED TO SWITCH THE ALARM FROM BITWRITER MODE TO IMMOBILZER BYPASS MODE!! TO DO THIS YOU NEED TO PULL THE MAIN FUSE FOR THE ALARM AND GROUND I "THINK" THIS WIRE IS CORRECT IT LOOKED LIKE DARK PURPLE MAYBE YOU CAN FIGURE WHAT WIRE IT IS??? ANYWAY GROUND THAT WIRE THEN PLUG THE FUSE BACK IN THE LED LIGHT FLASHES SOLID FOR ONE MODE AND BLINKS FOR THE OTHER MODE this is why the flcans did not work nor the dball2 once in immobilizer mode the alarm will see the dball2 and the dball2 will see the dei alarm/remote start! and yes the dam car started at this point I do not think the need for the injector tach wire was needed but in the end I think this one wire would be best installed on any car going to remote start Kreg357 does all this make any sense?? can you figure out what wire he said to ground?? Bill ------------- Bill Posted By: kreg357 Date Posted: March 22, 2014 at 11:29 AM Yes, but it's strange that the DB-ALL2 controlled the door locks through the D2D harness. I am not a DEI user ( for many reasons ), As I said, I always go W2W and never experience any problems, including the issues you had. Sorry for your troubles ( I think I ------------- Soldering is fun! Posted By: merlins gt Date Posted: March 22, 2014 at 12:58 PM Yes you are RIGHT Kreg357
You did say to go W2Wbut I was looking at a time saving factor as when I get home from playing truck driver I do not have much of it to do all the honey do this honey do that then the yard and cant forget my toys!!! and Hobbies!!! but in the end again you were and are RIGHT is I wen W2W I do not think this raping of my $$$ would have happened!!! the thing I do not get is that my 06 mustang gt did not have this problem with the python system I put in her it had the flcan unit already installed I went D2D and no problems!! Then again read and reread and read some more is all I can say and read all of the instructions!!!! so I blame myself at this point!!! but my python install sheet says nothing about switching this port from bitwriter to D2D THANKS KREG357 Bill ------------- Bill |
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