dball2 wont learn keys
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=135801
Printed Date: April 29, 2024 at 6:20 AM
Topic: dball2 wont learn keys
Posted By: scam404
Subject: dball2 wont learn keys
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 5:06 PM
Hey guys, I have gotten some great help before on here and I am in need once again. I just installed my Viper 5906 and DBALL2 on my 09 Mazdaspeed 3, this is the fourth remote start install I have done and I thought it would go smooth due to the dball eliminating many connections using d2d and the mux wire for the door controls. I hooked everything up per xpresskit's directions for my install type, double checked everything, and the stupid module still will not learn my second key. It seems to learn the first one fine and the led starts flashing green, and then I quickly put in the second key and turn the ignition on, wait till the security light on the dash goes out and turn the ignition back off, but the module never starts flashing orange like it is supposed to. I tried that process a dozen times, tried reflashing the module using xpress VIP from the website, but still no go. Also, the module does not seem to be controlling the lock/unlock functions via the mux wire that the install diagram calls for.
Any ideas or similar experience guys?
Thanks!
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Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 5:19 PM
Are all door closed when programming module?
Maybe try the second key first and then the one that seems to work.
Maybe second key is not a valid key?
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Posted By: scam404
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 5:21 PM
yep all the doors and hatch are closed, I tried the keys in both orders, and I tried starting the car with both keys and they each work...
Posted By: freqsounds
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 6:10 PM
Well the DBALL usually doesn't work until the keys are programmed. Is the key an authentic Mazda key?
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Posted By: scam404
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 6:47 PM
Yep they are both oem keys
Posted By: freqsounds
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 6:57 PM
The fact that it's seeing the first key is a good sign. I think it's 5 seconds between the on positions, not the time its turned off and back on. It sucks the time is so short. Maybe try a different transponder?
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Posted By: scam404
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 7:29 PM
There is an older version of firmware with different install instructions, should I try that first? Also, the install manual for the dball does not call for the door trigger wire to be hooked up so is it sensing that the doors are closed from the door mux wire?
Posted By: scam404
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 8:59 PM
ok, so I flashed the older firmware for the dball, which required me to hook up an ignition wire, couple can wires from the obd port, and another lock output mux wire, and now I was able to successfully program the dball, and it controls the door lock correctly, but for some reason the remote start will not activate. It goes through all the process like it is trying to, but after three tries it says LOW BATTERY as the reason it wont start, which isn't true because the battery is fine and the car starts instantly if you start it normally. Any ideas guys?
Posted By: freqsounds
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 9:11 PM
Put the key in the ignition (don't turn it) and remote start it. If it starts, the transponder isn't sending the signal back to the car. If it doesn't, check the starter wire.
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Posted By: firebirdude
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 9:20 PM
Key2Go instead?
Posted By: scam404
Date Posted: January 12, 2014 at 10:29 PM
Figured it out, stupid diode installed backwards was blocking signal to clutch bypass!
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 09, 2015 at 4:04 PM
Why do you need a clutch bypass, I thought the DBALL2 takes care of the neutral sensor?
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Mazda 6 and MX3
Posted By: freqsounds
Date Posted: June 09, 2015 at 5:14 PM
nolig2278 wrote:
Why do you need a clutch bypass, I thought the DBALL2 takes care of the neutral sensor?
It does, but not the clutch safety sensor! ;)
Cars with a MT don't have neutral safety switches. That's why it's such a hazard to install a RS system in them. ------------- No question is stupid or not worth asking. You were once a noob, right? :)
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 09, 2015 at 8:14 PM
ok so i have part of my d2d setup [artially working with dball2 and viper but still wont start. the instructions do not show the need to connect any safety wires so what is it that i need to connect regarding this? No diodes are mentioned in the 2011 Mazda configuration from dball2. the doors do lock and unlock from the 2 dball wires to the bcm. it tells me when the trunk is open but it wont open the trunk. no lights on dball at this point.
thanks
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Mazda 6 and MX3
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 19, 2015 at 12:51 PM
I got a replacement dball2 but still not working. When I check voltage from the two can and two key wires there is positive voltage. Key2go never turns green with key after light is red. Older firm ware blinks green with first key then I put 2nd key and it blinks red slowly, and I try ignition to positive but it never shows that it learned the keys.
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Mazda 6 and MX3
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 19, 2015 at 4:44 PM
freqsounds, off the top of my head most manual transmission Nissans and Subies DO have neutral safety switches.
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Posted By: freqsounds
Date Posted: June 19, 2015 at 8:09 PM
howie ll wrote:
freqsounds, off the top of my head most manual transmission Nissans and Subies DO have neutral safety switches.
I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any here in the States. They're few and far between if they exist. In any event, with a MT, I usually connect the NS wire to ground and leave the brick in MT mode. ------------- No question is stupid or not worth asking. You were once a noob, right? :)
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 19, 2015 at 8:18 PM
freqsounds wrote:
howie ll wrote:
freqsounds, off the top of my head most manual transmission Nissans and Subies DO have neutral safety switches.
I could be wrong, but I haven't seen any here in the States. They're few and far between if they exist. In any event, with a MT, I usually connect the NS wire to ground and leave the brick in MT mode.
Curious, is this relevant to getting the keys registered or just to get the car started ? ------------- Mazda 6 and MX3
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 4:38 AM
Nolig, point of knowledge
You've also hijacked a post!
What year and model is your vehicle, DB-ALL varies tremendously over here for Ford/Mazda product.
So that's relevancy for you.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 9:55 AM
2011 Mazda 6 so very similar setup. Should I start a new thread? I am within hours of paying over $100 to a shop to get this resolved.
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Mazda 6 and MX3
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 10:00 AM
Regular or smart key?
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 10:56 AM
Also you haven't stated your problem!
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 12:11 PM
my 2011 mazda 6 manual tran without smartkey will not learn the keys in my dball2/viper 5706 setup. I can get the car to go into turbo timer mode so the viper seems ok, but when i try to program the dball2 the light never blinks green when using key2go and when use the 2 key method with the older mazda firmware it blinks green with first key then i switch keys, it blinks red so i remove the key and then i connect the heavy gauge ignition wires to the heavy gauge positive wire.
I do not have the neutral bypass setup but that is not stated in the dball2 wiring. I also do not have the hood sensor wired as that should only carry a signal anyways if the hood is open which is what it thinks by not having it wired. The only other wires not connected are the tail light wires.
I did connect grn, ignition, 12v, door lock, windows, tx, rx, upper and lower can, acc
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Mazda 6 and MX3
Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 12:20 PM
AFAIK Key2Go is only available if you have a dealer account.
Flash the DB-ALL2
Program to your vehicle
Remove and re-flash via the Key2Go section and this part is the part that isn't available to the public.
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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.
Posted By: nolig2278
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 12:24 PM
howie ll wrote:
AFAIK Key2Go is only available if you have a dealer account.
Flash the DB-ALL2
Program to your vehicle
Remove and re-flash via the Key2Go section and this part is the part that isn't available to the public.
I spoke the someone on expresskit website via their online chat and they gave me a login account so I was able to flash the key2go but it did not work.
do we know if anyone has every done a dball2 on a 2011 mazda 6 manual, maybe it has a very specific setup? Should the wiring of the neutral or lights matter? ------------- Mazda 6 and MX3
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