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Hi,

i´m going to install a Python 5706p with remote start in my 2007 Dodge RAM (no factory alarm but power locks and power windows). I read lots of stuff on how to get the remote start work but i´m not satisfied with what i found :(. But let´s start at the beginning:

I bought a Python 5706p w/ remote start, a DBALL2 bypassmodule and, as told from a guy at xpresskit.com, a XL202 module (don´t know if i really need this thing).

I know i have to flash the DBALL2 with the right firmware and that the whole thing can be used D2D with the Python. In this case i have only 3 or 4 wires to connect to the DBALL2 and 1 from the remote start wire conector from the python. i hope i´m right with that?

i´m not sure in wiring up the alarm section. which parts are really needed. Ok, the main harness should be wired. but what´s about the Door Lock ´3-pin connector? Must i use the connector? or does the DBALL2 asummes the function?
Which wires are usefull or needed from the 24-pin (aux/shoutdown/trigger) harness?

I don´t need any auxillary options at the moment, only the remote start and the "basic" alarm should work :) i know if i´m going to install any aux-options i should use a relay.

i hope someone can help me,because i have to do the install by myself.

thanks
and greetings from Germany

Oli

Go to Xpresskit enter your Make, model and year, that will give you your options, go to DB-ALL2 installation notes that will give you the correct wiring diagram.
Last year I did a 5704 with a DB-ALL on a Jeep Liberty (Cherokee), didn't need an XL202.
The DB-ALL2 does locks etc., if I remember not lights (went to Haz switch), this is Europe after all unless yours is a US spec.
So don't worry about "not sure about the wiring" just follow the diagram.

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Juts looked at the diagram, 7 wires on the DB-ALL, 5 on the Python.
And no XL202.
Please make sure the DB-ALL2 is correctly flashed, the nearest place to do it if not is here in the UK.

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it´s a us spec. i think
i have a XKloader2 for flashing the DBALL2..
i also looked at the DBALL diagram, should be page 11 istallation type 3c (w/o T-harness)??
the DBALL diagramm is understandable for me but not the one for the python...
which 5 wires are needed at the python?? when i look at the diagram i only see ??? at the paper :D there are so many wires...

The diagram explains which wires.
If you aren't sure from that simple diagram don't attempt it yourself.
You've already purchased an XK202 which you won't need.

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Are you kidding?
12V+ red
Ground Black
Siren Brown
All above H1

Grey to hood switch
Above H2
Pink to DB-ALL 2
Above H3
Done.

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yes you´re right.. it is a simple diagram. I only wanted to know if i need any other wire form the harnesses as listed above... door locks or what ever...

but when i didn´t need them it should be a piece of cake to install the whole thing...

today i flashed the dball2 successfully with the xkloader2

at the weekend i´m going to install the python.

so i did the install today..

alarm works great but only the remote start doesn´t work. The ignition came up 3 times but it won´t crank. After that the ignition turns off.
The LC3 Remote shows at the beginning "remote start run" and after the last iginition turn "remote start error"

I did the shutdown at the control center and it says "Low batterie" but i have a fully loaded one in the car.

The DBALL2 is flsshed with the "402.chrysler 5.06.01 Firmware..

All wires are double checked....

any ideas were i should search???

the car starts with my key without any issues...

Did you learn and program for tach?
Have you programmed for auto if it is?

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yes i programed it in auto (was the first thing the parking lights showed me)
I started with virtual tach.. it doesn´t start
so i wired the tach signal to the DBALL2 from the python and did the leaning process.. no crank. The ignition turns on for exept 1 sec. and then turns of. starts again and turns of again.

it´s all wired up as shown in the DBALL2 instruction Type 3c

Yesa but have turned on the engine with your key,then within 5 seconds press and hold the control centre button? If you've wired for tach and the DB-ALL is correct you'll get a constant blue after about 2 seconds. If not hardwire tach.
Sounds to me like you should triple check your DB-ALL wiring, also set-up page of DB-ALL, did it successfully pair with the car?

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the DBALL2 flashes green when i start the remote start option on the LC3
don´t know if this is normal operating

Yes but that doesn't mean anything, I mean when you originally connected it.

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yes i do the process with starting the car holdin´the control button and the blue light comes up.

the DBALL2 pairs sucessfull with the car..

Then quad check your wiring.
Have you tried it in virtual tach mode?

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i have checked the wiring at the moment..
yes i tried in virtual tach mode..

now the igintion stays on ( i put the python at the programming menu in the remote start (menu 3)section at feature 2 in off ( engine checking mode). at the first attempt the igintion shuts off and than comes up again and stays on but no crank at all..

wiring seems to be ok. no broken wires or something else.

thats what i´ve wired up:

Python 5706p Remote Start:

remote Start,Heavy gauge connector:

H3/1 pink ---> WHITE/ pink igintion wire at ignition harness (Pin3)

Main Harness:
Red +12v --> constant 12v
Black--> ground
brown--> siren
white--> parking light

24-pin connector:
gray--> hood switch
BLACK/ white--> neutral safety (-)
violet/white (tach wire)--> tach wire output DBALL2

DBALL2:
Tan/black --> CAN High
Tan--> Can low
both on the ignition harness (twisted) (Pin 6&7)
violet/brown & violet/green --> MUX wire (both on the same wire)(Pin 1)
yellow/black---> purlpe wire (door pin)

thats all i have done so far..

DBALL2 is programmed to the car. Firmware 402.Chrysler 5.06.01 flashed in standard install.

did i forget any wires? all other connections on the diagram are listed as " not required in D2D mode"

A silly thought. There's a black socket next to H1. They give you a short lead and an on-off switch that plugs in there, have you done that? I just solder across the plug terminals.

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yes its plugged in and in the "on" position. when it´s turned "off" the remote shows "remote start error or not available".

I did the remote start startup diagnostic again this morning. The blue led on the controll center shows not only 1 fault. it flashes 9 times (for low battery) then 5 times (+ Brake shoutdown) and 4 times (transmitter shutdown).
i put the Engine Checking mode back to "tachometer" and now the ignition did the same thing as at the beginning (came up for 1 sec and shut down 3times and than the remote shows "remote start error")

must i connect any other wire from the remote start harness ?? or only like shown in the diagram the pink ignition wire?

at the remote starter harness are 3 wires with 30A Fuses (ignition 1 input, ignition 2 input /flex relay and accesory/starter input) is it possible that i must put them on 12v constant? because it seems to me that one signal from the remotestarter to the DB-ALL2 is missing.
i also hardwire the whole stuff now.

deroli wrote:

at the remote starter harness are 3 wires with 30A Fuses (ignition 1 input, ignition 2 input /flex relay and accesory/starter input) is it possible that i must put them on 12v constant? because it seems to me that one signal from the remotestarter to the DB-ALL2 is missing.
i also hardwire the whole stuff now.

Yes, you have to hook-up the ignition 1 input to +12v constant in order to get power on the ignition 1 output.

This also answers an earlier question, there indeed can be as is the case more wiring/hook-up than what is shown in the bypass install guides.

Only the red with the 30 amp fuse, I replace that with thinner gauge 10 or 15 amp fuse.

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If it feeds towards the DB-ALL, yes, if that ignition comes from the DB-ALL, no to answer catback's comment.

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the igintion output from the Remote start is hooked-up with the igintion wire from the car and with igintion input from the DB-ALL.(in Hardwire mode) Only the CAN and MUX signal came from the DB-ALL.

So i have to hook-up H3/6 RED Fused Ignition Input to 12v ( with a thinner fuse like Howie said)?????

That explains why only the alarm section works (only that part works over the H1 Main Harness i think)

Yes, H1 controls the alarm H3, or what you need of it via the DB-ALL controls the remote start.

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yes that was my fault..

now the ignition comes up and the truck starts up as wished...

i want to say thank you to howie II because you helped me a lot of finding the last piece of this silmple looking puzzle. I preciate that.. If i could hug you i would do :)
this is an amazing forum with lots of knowledge in it..
and i hope i can help someone else sometimes like you did....

Greetings
from Germany
Oli

Don't worry, I'm more used to dealing with German cars anyway. With DB-ALL I rarely use the thick H/3 loom, I depin the plug and use thinner wires or just crimp connectors straight to the terminals.

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anyway you helped me out of this mess posted_image

howie ll wrote:

If it feeds towards the DB-ALL, yes, if that ignition comes from the DB-ALL, no to answer catback's comment.

Did I frame my comment in the form of a question?

I think I understand but I'm really not sure. You try to confuse. posted_image

Sorry, to clear things up, look at the Xpresskit diagram, then use common sense...
If it asks the RS not the DB-ALL to supply say ignition and start then you power RED / black and red. If not and say the grey/black from the DB-ALL is supplying the ignition then no, none of the heavy gauge fused wires need to be used.

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