remote vehicle shutdown?

Has this been done? I would like to have the ability using my viper 5704, To shutdown the vehicle in a "get out of your vehicle" type theft.. I figured i could keep my 2way remote in my pocket & my one way remote on the keychain with my keys...& god forbid if anyone does atempt to carjack me i can hand them the keys (with the one way remote) and let them drive a couple blocks then kill the fuel pump or ignition using my 2way remote in my pocket.. can this be done?

Use an aux to fire a latching relay that shuts the fuel pump. Except the thief will still be close enough to come back for you.
Fitting the old Clifford Blackjax if you can find one is a much better idea.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Im not worried about the thief coming back, By that time I'll be locked and loaded! Or in a store or residents calling the police.. so here's a crazy idea that you will probably say is a stupid over complicated fire hazard.. lol. .That's OK.

So using a relay one coil terminal 85~+12v. Other coil side~86 aux 1 pulsed ground output. Terminal 30 to chassis ground.. terminal 87 to fuel pump fuse (right after the fuel pump fuse) therby causing a momentary short to ground and blowing the fuse, result in no fuel. . Or maybe a fire! ? But hey you can't drive a burning car.

You should realize that you would make yourself liable for anything that would happen if you did engage such a feature. The legal bills would be enormous not to mention how much it would cost you in lawsuits. It's not worth it. That is what insurance is for. Installing a feature like you describe and using it may also void your car insurance. Onstar has a feature like you describe, but it can only be engaged through direction from police and when it is safe to do so. Great idea, but in today's world, it isn't worth it.

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sparky

Mmmmmm.. I see. . Could wiz of a thief and if he's armed that would not be a good thing for the next car he attempts to jack.. After my comes to a halt.

Why do you think we NEVER immobilise the ignition?

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I'm assuming that's kinda what you were getting at?

Well I guess I can also install gps using a old cell phone. And inconspicuously hardwire it to the vehicle somewhere separete from the alarm. (Or just buy a gps tracking device for the vehicle) lol Then I could turn the gps and remote kill, over to the police? To recover my vehicle safely. But then again an officer may just disregard such features.

howie ll wrote:

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Why do you think we NEVER immobilise the ignition?

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Why? The whole wizing of a thief thing?

No the car crashing and all the legal costs, no insurance, liabilities if the now uncontrollable vehicle hits another car, passer by.
Only ever disable the starter, that's what the police will tell you.
Did you not understand what sparkie was posting?
I do tracker with immobilisers all the time, only ever cut starter.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Why would it be uncontrollably? The thief would have the key in the ignition he should still have steering and brakes unless he's built like a twig.. and assuming he jacked the vehicle in the city and isn't a raging maniac he would be doing city speeds.. but still I agree with you to many variables To just assume.

Really? Maybe with fuel pump cut-off but with ignition cut-out, no steering brakes etc.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

But what good is a starter cut if the thief steal a running car?

howie ll wrote:

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Really? Maybe with fuel pump cut-off but with ignition cut-out, no steering brakes etc.

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Forgive me im not understanding. if the vehicle has vacuum assist brakes when the engine stalls the brake booster should have enough vacuum reserve to safely Stop the vehicle.. Even if you lose power brakes requiring much greater pedal effort but still shouldn't Completely lose braking.

And why would you lose steering? Power steering Yes, but the vehicle can still be steered, again requiring greater effort but shouldn't suffer a complete lose of steering. And if im right, most if not all vehicle's have mechanical steering wheel locks. So as long as the key remains in the ignition the wheel wouldn't lock.

I'm honestly just trying to understand. Not so much debate. Sorry if I'm coming off that way.. But if someone is seeing something more than I am, I would be interested in listening and learning. And I don't mind admitting when I'm wrong. This is why I ask the question in the first place, To listen and learn.

So she or he has stopped on a railway crossing and you kill the ignition...

The bottom line is that we won't tell you how to do it - we'll merely tell you not to do it or that there are risks doping it etc.

Thank you Peter, could we end this thread now please?
AKA Every action has a consequence.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Yeah - imagine killing a cop or Fed that has just commandeered a car...
And wanting to burn a car rather than... (What IgCoil has a fuse? Well, new cars have flinks...)

oldspark wrote:

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Yeah - imagine killing a cop or Fed that has just commandeered a car...
And wanting to burn a car rather than... (What IgCoil has a fuse? Well, new cars have flinks...)

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I'm sure a cop or fed would identify themselves. . And I don't even understand that last part. . I never said I wanted to burn a car. & What does new cars have to do with flinks?

Didn't the clifford blackjack system disable the car after a few minutes. . What if the clifford system disabled the car on a railway crossing? so what the thief I would imagine had hands to open the door and feet to get away & hopefully enough brains to not stop on a railway track in the first place. The car won't come to a screeching halt and stop on a dime. Im only disabling the fuel pump.

Ok I'm done this is going nowhere. . I don't want to wiz anyone off. Cheers to each his own!

No to all your questions ref Blackjax try and learn before posting irrelevant comments in future please.
The Blackjax waits until the vehicle has stopped so no more daft level crossing comments please.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

That's almost as bad as people citing OEM stuff as justification for their mods - eg, non-AGM batteries in cabins.
But I don't give a poo if Blackjax is sued.

Yes, each to their own.

Next - another DIY remote start without interlocks (because they ...)?

Peter, like the seasons, back come the ooh look I've invented a remote starter with 5 relays, it's come to the point where people like KP, Kreg, Idiot and myself just don't bother to reply anymore.
I should have pulled out of this thread after the OP was warned as to legal implications and carried on posting daft comments.
If I reply to any more I can see the mods canning me yet again.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Actually I was expecting a reply from the OP where I'd expect to vent your shoes. Maybe I figure since recently leaving that other forum (inter alia due to a projecting litol) I may as well make a clean sweep and leave the public arena. Tempting...

The best proof of my original post is all over the news at the moment. Look at GM's recall over the ignition switch problem. It is basically exactly what we have been discussing. I hope we can end this topic now.

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sparky

sparkie wrote:

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The best proof of my original post is all over the news at the moment. Look at GM's recall over the ignition switch problem. It is basically exactly what we have been discussing. I hope we can end this topic now.

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The thing about that is it's worse as a PR issue than it is as a legal issue. If GM went to court the victims would require alot of proof along the effect that the victim was not at fault in the accident.

Anyway, that's besides my point. When a thief steals a car the owner is no longer liable for what occurs after the theft. Exception to this would be premeditated criminal acts enacted by the owner/victim - this would be things like remote detonating the car, releasing poison gas in the car, and other actions whose planned intention was to cause harm to thief or other. At present it's not criminal or very lethal for cars to stall out/die while on the road nor should any driver, especially a thief, expect that at any given time a car won't die.

That said, I myself am against anti-jacking devices. It's just another thing to fail and things like the blackjax are just a pain the ass to deal with daily in the hopes that one day all your suffering will pay off. Also not enough studies have been done on what thieves usually do when the vehicle they stole stops or makes noise a mere moment or so after being stolen. Do they run on foot, do they car jack the closest victim, do they come back and have the owner fix the car, do they come back and kill the owner for the trouble? Enough just isn't known about what happens in these situations.

The Blackjax waits until the vehicle has stopped so no more daft level crossing comments please.[/QUOTE]

That's even worse what if the blackjax disables the vehicle while stopped on a railway or Even worse an airport runway. ..
And if my fuel pump Ever gives out, or I run out of gas hopefully I don't have to stop at any point or steer. Because without a fuel pump all that is impossible! And forget the emergency brake, No fuel pump!

I understood that you were against my remote shutdown idea a few posts back that's fine! To each his own, I was just asking questions. You can choose not to respond. Or at least not take shots at me. If I said I understood when in fact I didn't I wouldn't learn much.

OK a response.
Your idea won't work for one simple reason, you'll have to immobilise before the vehicle gets out of range of your remote. Do you really think in the real world when you've just been stopped at gun point you will react quickly enough?
Second the point about your comments made in ignorance, Blackjax waits until the vehicle has already stopped. The whole point is to get hijacker and vehicle away from you.
Third any form of ignition cut or fuel cut is inherently dangerous, the authorities in the US and here in the UK advise against it but of course you're an enthusiastic amateur and you know better than the experts such as the police, alarm companies and insurers don't you.
Like many others you think you've an original idea that no one else has thought of.
In truth it's been thought of many times before and failed.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

You do make some good points. But i would be installing this on my van full of expensive Hvac tools. And I would hope that I wouldn't be using such a feature on a daily basis. In which case, Yes bad things could and probably would happen. But I am installing this in hopes of never having to use it.

But in the event that I do need it. I will have to assess the situation. And in an area that I know the streets well enough I can make a decision on whether or not to utilize the feature. I also carry a CWP so if the thief only makes it two or three blocks, At least I'm not at gunpoint or knifepoint, giving me time to prepare & if the thief disarmed me before taking my vehicle, Again that would require I reassess the situation. I'm not recommending that this feature be mass produced that would be a disaster! But I feel confidently that if I ever do need to use this feature given I'm in range of the remote. I would make my best decision based on the situation & environmental surroundings.

catback wrote:

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sparkie wrote:

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The best proof of my original post is all over the news at the moment. Look at GM's recall over the ignition switch problem. It is basically exactly what we have been discussing. I hope we can end this topic now.

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The thing about that is it's worse as a PR issue than it is as a legal issue. If GM went to court the victims would require alot of proof along the effect that the victim was not at fault in the accident.

Anyway, that's besides my point. When a thief steals a car the owner is no longer liable for what occurs after the theft. Exception to this would be premeditated criminal acts enacted by the owner/victim - this would be things like remote detonating the car, releasing poison gas in the car, and other actions whose planned intention was to cause harm to thief or other. At present it's not criminal or very lethal for cars to stall out/die while on the road nor should any driver, especially a thief, expect that at any given time a car won't die.

That said, I myself am against anti-jacking devices. It's just another thing to fail and things like the blackjax are just a pain the ass to deal with daily in the hopes that one day all your suffering will pay off. Also not enough studies have been done on what thieves usually do when the vehicle they stole stops or makes noise a mere moment or so after being stolen. Do they run on foot, do they car jack the closest victim, do they come back and have the owner fix the car, do they come back and kill the owner for the trouble? Enough just isn't known about what happens in these situations.

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I agree there are too many variable's. If the event Ever happened. I may feel the best decision would be calling the police. I just feel better having the option. Let assume I call the police never utilizing the feature. I hand the remote to a pursuing officer, And I say hit the f button once then aux button once. And it will shutdown the vehicles engine. This could be helpful and potentially lifesaving in the event of a police chase, No??

Correct. No.