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’09 civic remote start: pkh34 +?

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: December 04, 2022 at 1:07 PM


Topic: ’09 civic remote start: pkh34 +?

Posted By: heezy101
Subject: ’09 civic remote start: pkh34 +?
Date Posted: October 15, 2014 at 8:38 AM

I don't want to be the new guy who poses a question without doing any research, so I hope this doesn't come off that way. I installed a 5701 w/ Smart Start in my '98 Wrangler with the help of this forum and I was hoping to get some guidance on my next install.

Initially I wanted to install a remote start that would allow me to start my '09 Civic (auto transmission) with the factory fob. I was informed that strategy wouldn't work since the factory fob is dead when the engine is running so I'd have to use the key to unlock the door. So I decided I needed a keyless entry/remote start system instead, and a bypass module.

I didn't want a bypass that needed my spare key to function, and some of the modules I found required an uploader and some hardware to get things programmed. After a bunch of research it looks like the PKH34 will work as a no key required bypass for me. I'm open to other options as well if you guys think something else would work better.

The next piece of the puzzle is the remote start/keyless entry itself. I'm not looking for anything fancy. I don't need a ton of range or a lot of aux functions. I just want something inexpensive and reliable. Since you guys are the experts, can you point me any particular direction?

Is there anything else I'm missing? I'm not too worried about the install itself. This forum has a ton of great info to help me get the hardware in place. Thanks in advance.

-Ryan



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Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 15, 2014 at 9:08 AM

The PKH34 will work as your bypass module.  No key will be left in the vehicle, the key is only needed to program
the bypass module to the vehicle.  The PKH34 is probably the least expensive of the currently available bypass
modules.  Other good choices that come pre-loaded with the correct firmware are :
Fortin      Key-OverRide-ALL and Honda-SL3
XPressKit           PKALL
iDatalink    ADS TBSL KO and ADS DLSL HA**

** This bypass module will dor more than just the transponder bypass and costs a bit more.

You are quite right about the Honda vehicles turning off their remote keyless entry during engine run time.  A basic
remote start with keyless entry is the way to go.  It's only a few extra wires to connect and will allow you to use the
PitStop feature found in most R/S systems.

Decent choices for the DIYer include :
Avital 4103
Viper 4105
Compustar CS800-s or the previous CS700-s and CS600-s
Ultra Start U1272
All are one-way systems with 1000 foot range and come with two FOB's.  Typical cost is $50 to $75.



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Posted By: heezy101
Date Posted: October 15, 2014 at 9:24 AM
That is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you Kreg.

What extra features will I get with the iDatalink? Being that I'm shooting for a simple and budget minded install I figure the PKH34 is the way to go, I was just curious about the additional features.

Of the R/S systems you listed, would you or any other users recommend one over another? That might be a question like "which lift kit is best" on the Jeep forums I frequent and if so I'll do some reading and make my pick. But if there is something specific about one of your recommendations I'd like to take that into account first.

Thank you again for your quick response!

-Ryan




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: October 15, 2014 at 11:10 AM

If your Civic has the Factory Alarm, the ADS DLSL HA will handle that and make the install a little easier.   Is it worth
the extra $40 for two less wire connections?  Maybe, maybe not.  Here is a link to their WEB site  :
https://www.idatalink.com/support    Look up your car and then download the ADS DLSL HA install guide to see all
the particulars.

Any of the R/S units listed will handle the basics ( locks, alarm, ACC2 wire, etc ).  The DEI units ( Avital & Viper ) will
also do the rear defroster, if that is important.  The Ultra Start has nice blue LED's in the antenna that will blink
while locked, giving the appearance of an alarm system, and is easy to program with the remotes.  The Compustar
has nice remotes that seem more durable than the Avital or Ultra Start.  The Viper has nice remotes, too, but is the
most expensive.  There are other system from Audiovox, Code Systems, Omega, Crimestopper that should be OK
too, I just don't have any hands-on experience with them.

My personal choice would be the Compustar CS800-s and the PKH34.  I'd also install a mercury switch in place of
the kit supplied hood pin.  Total cost would be under $90.  Decent system with good remotes & range.   For me,
Compustar programming is not an issue as I have the OP-500 programmer. 



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Posted By: pentavolvo
Date Posted: October 15, 2014 at 2:07 PM
Avital 4113 and a dball is my choice for the civic




Posted By: heezy101
Date Posted: October 15, 2014 at 2:18 PM
I went ahead and ordered PHK34 and the Avital 4103. Thank you for the information and recommendations.

I look forward to the install!

-Ryan




Posted By: heezy101
Date Posted: November 10, 2014 at 7:04 AM
Alright guys, I'm back for some more help. I have the system installed and it's not working 100%. The PKH34 seems to be the problem as the remote start works great if the key is in the ignition.

I have the Xpresskit wired as follows: black to ground, red to 12V+ constant, 4 pin D2D harness to red D2D port on RS, violet to light green at ignition and brown to blue in the satellite 4 pin harness on the RS.

The issue is that it doesn't seem to program properly when I follow the instructions, or reset properly. If I unplug the power harness from the PHK34 and hold the reset button, then plug the harness back in while still holding the button, the LED lights up but never goes off no matter how long I hold the button. Then if I turn the key to "ON" the light goes out. I will then get one remote start from the system. When I try to start it the second time it crank for a second and dies because the bypass isn't working properly. Again, the RS seems to work perfectly with a key in the ignition so I'm pretty confident the issue is with the PHK34.

I have read that I may need a firmware update on the PHK34? There isn't a lot of troubleshooting info on the system as it should just work. Any help would be greatly appreciate!

-Ryan




Posted By: flobee4
Date Posted: November 10, 2014 at 7:25 AM
try unplugging the D2D cable, you don't need it. The d2D wire will only save you from hooking up the PKH34 brown wire, which you've already hooked up properly.




Posted By: heezy101
Date Posted: November 10, 2014 at 7:58 AM
Thank you for the reply. It didn't dawn on me until you said that they D2D was in place of the W2W connections and not in addition to. I unplugged the D2D wire and reset the PHK34. The reset procedure still doesn't work as listed in the install instruction, but after an attempted reset and relearn I was able to repeatedly start the car with the RS. Thank you again.

The last thing I need to do is contort myself around to wire in the factory alarm/disarm wires and finally the rear defrost and I'll be done! Thank you all for your help through this process.

-Ryan




Posted By: markiscarabas
Date Posted: January 17, 2015 at 10:59 PM
Hi, I am wiring Viper 4204V and PKH34 to my civic 2008. Anybody has the wiring diagram? Is the "light green (pin3)" data line is actually light green but also marked with silver dots? I am not sure if door lock/unlock signals shall be wired to viper of all this is done over the D2D CAN bus?
Thank you.




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 18, 2015 at 8:21 AM
Pin 3 is pin 3, There are no 2 colours that match in the plug. If in doubt, reference the ignition wire for pin location and colour, then work backwards (process of elimination). The lock and unlock wires will need to be connected at the kick panel. PKH34 does not do anything over the can network.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: markiscarabas
Date Posted: January 18, 2015 at 5:09 PM
Thanks for your reply... If I understand it correctly PKH32 communicates over D2D with the RSC and over "single wire" CAN (light green wire pin3). I was asking about silver dots since I do not want to get to the ignition connector directly. I am accessing this wire in a harness where   
all wires bundled together - I see only one light green wire in this bundle but it has silver dots. Any way, do you know what wires must be wired to RSC and what wires are just optional. I just want to remote start the car...




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 18, 2015 at 6:31 PM
depending on your unit you need power, ground, ign, acc, start, locks, bypass wires. pkh34 only sends immobilizer data.

you can take the risk and connect to it, or remove the steering shroud and get the wire right at the immobilizer plug to be safe.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: markiscarabas
Date Posted: January 18, 2015 at 9:13 PM
Can you suggest the "safest" way to remove this shroud...I removed all 3 screws, the shroud is loose but I do not know which half has to be squeezed? Thank you.




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: January 18, 2015 at 10:11 PM
i have always just pulled the lower half downwards with some force, pops right off.

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert




Posted By: oisonit
Date Posted: January 12, 2016 at 5:56 PM
I came across this post while using google to figure out my problem. Hopefully someone can assist. I'm installing a Avital 4103 w/PKH34 on a 2013 Honda Pilot. I have followed the wiring information listed on a different post but I am not able to get the vehicle to start. I'm only hooking up the minimums so I have not hooked up: tailgate, factory arm/disarm, horn. I have the the PKH34 hooked up W2W with the brown going to the blue status output on the 4103 and the violet going to the pink ignition on pilot. When I initiate the Remote Start the engine will crank but will not start. During this process the green key light flashes on the dash. If I insert the key into the ignition and try to Remote Start everything works. This leads me to believe I am having an issue with the PKH34. Any ideas? I have tried to reset the PKH34 by unplugging and plugging back in while holding down button but it doesn't seem to actually reset. Thanks in advance for the help.




Posted By: heezy101
Date Posted: January 13, 2016 at 7:59 AM
oisonit wrote:

I came across this post while using google to figure out my problem. Hopefully someone can assist. I'm installing a Avital 4103 w/PKH34 on a 2013 Honda Pilot. I have followed the wiring information listed on a different post but I am not able to get the vehicle to start. I'm only hooking up the minimums so I have not hooked up: tailgate, factory arm/disarm, horn. I have the the PKH34 hooked up W2W with the brown going to the blue status output on the 4103 and the violet going to the pink ignition on pilot. When I initiate the Remote Start the engine will crank but will not start. During this process the green key light flashes on the dash. If I insert the key into the ignition and try to Remote Start everything works. This leads me to believe I am having an issue with the PKH34. Any ideas? I have tried to reset the PKH34 by unplugging and plugging back in while holding down button but it doesn't seem to actually reset. Thanks in advance for the help.

Be sure that you have the PKH34 plugged into the correct port. If I remember correctly there are two spots that the plug will fit into on the Avital an only one is correct. Double check that first. Once you have it plugged in correct you can reset and relearn the PKH34. Let me know if that works for you!

-Ryan




Posted By: oisonit
Date Posted: January 13, 2016 at 4:16 PM
fixed, I mistakenly had the violet wire from the bypass going to the wrong place. Thanks for the assistance.





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