viper 5906v, 2007 camry

i have most of the wires installed. i have not did a remote start in years. Boy how things have changed. I am using a dball2 module.
i am questioning the pink/black (+) flex relay input 87a key side (if required) of flex relay...what does it do.
i have:
starter 1 goes to green key side.
starter 1 that was cut violet to starter side.
starter 2 relay violet / YELLOW (-) 200ma starter output to gray wire in car
ignition 1 pink , small pink wire on car
ignition 2 pink/white to yellow wire on car
acc. (+) orange
Does this sound right? The ign1 and the starter 2 are smalle wires. should i fuse them or just build relays with 14 gauge wire?

the pink/black is used to isolate an ignition wire. some cars need this done, but the camry isn't one of them.

the second starter you should be using a relay, eventhough its small gauge wiring.

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Ted
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i am sorry i left it out. i have relay on it , i have a 5 amp fuse to it. What about the 12 gauge ignition 1 going to the small gauge pink wire on car. Should i do another relay with a another 5 amp fuse. The doublegard shock sensor 504, whats the looped green wire then it has a green wiring not coneected.

chrisusamps wrote:

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i am questioning the pink/black (+) flex relay input 87a key side (if required) of flex relay...what does it do.

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It is the NC side of the "flex[ible} relay you're using for IGN 2. The pink/blk is Not Connected in your application.

chrisusamps wrote:

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starter 2 relay violet / YELLOW (-) 200ma starter output to gray wire in car.

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^^ This isn't right. ^^
The grey wire in the car is (+), the vio/yel wire is a (-) trigger. Use a relay to convert the (-) trigger to the +12V that the car wire needs.

chrisusamps wrote:

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The ign1 and the starter 2 are small wires. should i fuse them or just build relays with 14 gauge wire?

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The consideration is that the RS output wires are at 30A potential because of the fuses in the big red wires. If the car develops a short on these wires while on Remote Start, the car's wires will fry because of the 30Amp protection level is too high.

You're using the flex relay for IGN 2. The flex relay B+ input is the RED / wht wire. I would drop the fuse in the RED / white to a 5 or 7.5 Amp fuse. Then tap this wire after the fuse for your STARTER 2 relay constant power. Both "little" car wires (IGN-2, and STARTER-2) will now be protected at 5 or 7.5 Amp potential, instead of 30 Amps, by the same fuse. Much better, IMO.

(Disclaimer: Japanese cars are not my forte. I encourage more knowledgeable peeps to correct me, if needed. I learn by trying to do some of these what-if's on my own, rather than just read responses.)

Tbhe relay has constant power on 86 and 87. 30 goes to starter 2 which is gray wire in car. 85 is the trigger from alarm, which is 200ma negative violet / YELLOW . i have a 5 amp fuse on the constant side of relay. Good idea Dave.

Thanks guys for your input. I am getting ready to power up the alarm.i used the d2d cable on the dball2. do I have to do anything with programming.it is flashed for my car.it is supposed work tach,power door locks, trunk,not sure about dome light surveliance, break input and disable factory alarm.

Yes, there is a specific bypass module programming procedure you must do.   I am assuming your Camry is a standard
key type ignition, not a Push-To-Start vehicle.  The DB-ALL2 should have been flashed with 402.TL v3.19 firmware.  You
should be following the Type 1 install diagram in this guide :
https://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=9780&productid=553&firmwareid=6972
On Page 19 is the Type 1 programming instructions.  These steps will allow the module to learn the transponder chip code
and the CAN system to operate correctly with your vehicle.

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i worked on car till 230 last night. i removed all the alarm stuff. the starter want turn over , radio doesnt play , transmission will not come out of gear. any ideas what is doing this. i checked every fuse i see in diagrams

Best guess :  Locate and remove the AM1 7.5 Amp fuse.  Use a DMM to check it.  Also check the AM2 fuse.

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=133812

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I checked them all. I couldn't find one that was bad.i did continuity test on my fluke.i switched them around anyway. It runs fine now thanks kreg357..life saver dude

I have 2 starter wires..07 camry. I read dei mentioned to use 2 relays. Ihave the starter 1 wire from remote start going to car primary 1 staerter.I have one relay wired and use the violet / YELLOW 200ma starter trigger the second starter wire.. Will that work or do I need the 2 relay setup.

I was reading forumn posts about second starter and ways to wire them. If I understand this correctly, can I take the pink/black flex relay87a keyside and programm it the second starter on my camry? It looks like its default is ignition 2

No.  The Pink/Black ( Pin 87a ) wire is part of a relay that includes the Pink/White ( Pin 30 ) and the RED / White ( Pin 87 ).  You are
already using the Pink/White for the IGN2 circuit on the vehicle.

The most direct way to power the vehicles Starter2 wire is with a relay wired as below :
Relay Pin 85 to Viper H2/  VIOLET / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to +12V constant through appropriate fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Camry Starter2 wire @ ignition switch harness
Relay Pin 87a not used - insulate

Of course, you could use the Pink/White for Starter2 ( after making the programming change ) and then use the extra relay for
IGN2 with relay control coming from the Viper H2/ PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT on Pin 85.  Your choice.

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No.  The Viper's Violet / YELLOW Starter wire is a low current (-) output designed to control an external relay.  Your Camry's Starter2 wire needs a (+) voltage.

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The violet and green or violet only with no starter cut on H3 handle starter one.
Yellow/violet handles starter two via a relay.
Yellow/violet to 85..
Constant at 30 amps to 86 and 87
30 to second starter. If a 5 pin relay is used, ignore 87a.
Quenching diode is required across the terminals, 1N4004, band to 86.

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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I have the relay wired like thay.whats the diode for

When a relay shuts down it generates a spark or EMP pulse (also a simple radio transmitter, "spark gap".
This can be around 200 volts and it can FRY all of the aux outputs on your Viper.
Thus the diode is called a quenching diode.
Absolutely mandatory.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

The diode hoes between which 2 terminals?

across the coils. 85 and 86

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

Oops, senior moment Ted, thought I'd posted that answer!
I know I forgot on my original post.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

To be fair you did mention one of the terminals at least

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I got the remote start and all other components working. Here's my problem now..It's a 07 camry.i have to hit the unlock button on the viper alarm before I hit the start button. If I font the factory alarm goes off. When you hit unlock first the remote start works fine

Program the alarm Menu 3 item 16 "Safestart On"

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

You could connect the Vipers' 2nd Status/rear defogger wire to the Camry's Keysense wire, if you weren't
using it for anything else.
Keysense     Blue (-)     @ ignition key switch, white 2 pin plug, pin 1
Disarm - No Unlock, use keysense

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I hooked the key sense wire up to the second status/ defogger output of alarm .the factory alarm no longer goes when I remote stsrt it. Now the doors will not unlock unless I shut down remote start, then unlock or lock doors. Any suggestions

It looks like I will have to connect the lock/ unlock wires from the alarm to the wires in vehicle.even though I'm using dball2 d2d. I went into programming status 2 output and set it to single pulse. I then could unlock and lock with remote start on but it wouldn't passively arm.This alarm should be the death of me!

I am adding my camry locks to my viper alarm. Do I need diodes, if so what way is the band and a right size diode.

No need for diodes direct connection to the vehicle

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Ted
2nd Year Tier 1 Medical School
Still installing as a hobby...pays for groceries
Compustar Expert