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2015 Nissan Rogue Issues

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: March 28, 2024 at 1:01 PM


Topic: 2015 Nissan Rogue Issues

Posted By: jsigna
Subject: 2015 Nissan Rogue Issues
Date Posted: May 24, 2015 at 4:12 PM

Hey guys.. Installed a Viper 5706v into my uncles 2015 Rogue a couple of months ago. For some reason the factory alarm keeps randomly going off at random times. The horn just starts beeping until the unlock button is hit.

I used an idatalink module to bypass it and it is very frustrating.

It is definitely not the viper alarm going off.

Sometimes when I remote start the car the factory alarm goes off too.

I did D2D on the bypass to the viper.

Any help is greatly appreciated.



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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: May 26, 2015 at 8:21 AM
Anybody?




Posted By: icearrow6
Date Posted: May 26, 2015 at 2:07 PM
Use the factory disarm wire. Pink double (-) BCM under driver dash, black 40 pin plug, pin 13

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: May 26, 2015 at 11:09 PM
Thank you so much for a reply! So right now I am D2D. Do I tie my unlock disarm wire from the idatalink/viper to this BCM factory disarm?





Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 02, 2015 at 1:16 AM
icearrow6 wrote:

Use the factory disarm wire. Pink double (-) BCM under driver dash, black 40 pin plug, pin 13


Sorry to be a pain can you explain a bit more on that. Losing hair on this.




Posted By: tedmond
Date Posted: June 05, 2015 at 6:46 AM
use the factory alarm disarm wire out of the viper. Connect that to the vehicles BCM pink wire, and set the viper for a double pulse disarm

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 05, 2015 at 11:53 AM
tedmond wrote:

use the factory alarm disarm wire out of the viper. Connect that to the vehicles BCM pink wire, and set the viper for a double pulse disarm


Tedmond, hmm so right now I am following the iDataLink guide doing the D2D method.

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As you can see I wired the viper unlock to the Pink BCM Pin 93 in the Black 40 Pin.

I already have the Viper set to double pulse as that is the only way to get it to unlock. What is Pin 13?

Also.. as you can see since I did D2D I did NOT wire the Viper Unlock Wire to the iDataLink. Only to the BCM. Dod you think I should hard wire that?

The car locks and unlocks perfectly. It seems is that if you wait a while after locking it and then try to start the car is when the factory alarm goes off.

There is no way to turn off the factory alarm?




Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 05, 2015 at 12:02 PM
just checked it looks like they changed the wire numbers.. positions are the same though.




Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 17, 2015 at 11:21 AM
tedmond wrote:

use the factory alarm disarm wire out of the viper. Connect that to the vehicles BCM pink wire, and set the viper for a double pulse disarm


So here is a big question I need to know.

Since I did D2D I have the lock and unlock going directly to the car. I skipped the 3 way splice with the iDataLink.

Can I tap those 2 iDataLink wires and override the D2D for those 2 specific wires or is it because the module is set for D2D that it will not make any difference?




Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 3:38 PM
Bump on this? Can I bypass certain D2D functions by wiring direct?

Or is it that once the iDataLink is in D2D mode you can only do D2D?





Posted By: shendrix0929
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 10:02 PM
U have to hook up all those wires for the IDATALINK to work. Also the factory disarm wire from the viper has to be hooked up for the factory to disarm. If not u will keep having issues with it. There is no skipping in remote starts. Welcome to car audio!

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 11:43 PM
shendrix0929 wrote:

U have to hook up all those wires for the IDATALINK to work. Also the factory disarm wire from the viper has to be hooked up for the factory to disarm. If not u will keep having issues with it. There is no skipping in remote starts. Welcome to car audio!


I am not trying to skip.. I just decided to do d2d.

You bring up a big point. I have the viper unlock wire being used right now to the car.

You bring up the factory disarm wire on viper. Right now with my d2d wiring I am not using that wire at all. Is this my issue. It seems once the factory alarm arms which happens over time is when thr car won't start without the factory alarm going off.

Where would I the viper aux harness factory disarm wire too? Does it get tied in with the unlock? Wouldn't think so.. Thanks for the reply!


Edit.. after looking at everything.. This has got to be my issue..

Do I use both the unlock and disarm wires on the pink BCM wire?

Or do I just use the disarm and not use the unlock?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM
Let me explain. Here in Europe we generally only have DB-ALL2.
I wire D2D but say Euro GM pre-2010 they don't allow for parking brake so you hardwire BLACK/ white on H2 either to ground or parking brake.
What the CAN module won't accommodate, hardwire.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 8:16 AM
I knew the Viper can bypass the D2D by hard wire. I wasn't sure about the module.

But... I am pretty sure that is not my issue.

I think my issue is that I am not using the factory disarm viper wire .

I have a double pulse coming from the unlock only. I am wondering how I should go about wiring the unlock and or disarm. Do I just not use the unlock wire? Do I use the low volt aux harness disarm wire only to the pink BCM wire?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 9:05 AM
Double pulse from factory disarm, here's how:-
double_pulse.png
The diode on the relay is a 1N4004.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 10:58 AM
Thank you for that..

So to be clear..

My Viper has an option for the factory disarm wire to be set to negative double pulse.

I can't just use that due to the low amperage so that is why I need a relay?

Also so now I just cut off the Viper Unlock wire and no longer use that?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:02 AM
Leave the unlock wire, unlock and factory disarm are different functions.
Nothing to do with current, the relay simply gives you a second pulse 1 second after.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:07 AM
howie ll wrote:

Double pulse from factory disarm, here's how:-
double_pulse.png
The diode on the relay is a 1N4004.


After looking at the picture I see the Relay 30 prong also is wired back to the GREEN/ black. Now is that to replicate the "2 pules"?

Can I just set the Viper to use double pulse factory disarm and then wire the relay like that minus the 30 prong wired back to the GREEN/ black and only to the pink BCM?

Sorry and thank you so much!




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:10 AM
No AFAIK the Viper can't provide a double pulse on factory arm disarm, the relay is simply in series.
The way I showed the wiring the GREEN/ black factory disarm gives the pink factory disarm its first pulse then the relay gives it the second pulse.

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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:26 AM
howie ll wrote:

No AFAIK the Viper can't provide a double pulse on factory arm disarm, the relay is simply in series.
The way I showed the wiring the GREEN/ black factory disarm gives the pink factory disarm its first pulse then the relay gives it the second pulse.


Thank you so it is not a amperage thing it is a way to make a double pulse.. Nice.

Check this out:

Could I do this instead?


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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:29 AM
You're exactly right, I was looking at menu 3 for it.
Set it for 2 pulses and forget the relay.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:36 AM
howie ll wrote:

You're exactly right, I was looking at menu 3 for it.
Set it for 2 pulses and forget the relay.


SWEET!

Okay so last question.

The 3 Pink Door Lock Harness.

Just cut the unlock and don't use it anymore?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:39 AM
No, still use the unlock, they work independently, that pink is factory disarm without unlock.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:49 AM
howie ll wrote:

No, still use the unlock, they work independently, that pink is factory disarm without unlock.


doodie..

Can you help me find where to wire the factory unlock?

Right now I am using the 3 Pin unlock harness to the pink and brown wire at the BCM 40 pin.

If I switch the pink wire to the GREEN/ Black Factory Disarm I am still not sure what to do with the 3 Pin Blue Unlock wire now?

posted_image

I feel like if it unlocks now with just the viper unlock blue wire connected and set to double pulse then maybe all I need to do is switch wires.

The problem is that the two outputs do the same thing.. send a double pulse but when initiating a RS or trunk pop the Viper unlock does not engage as it should not. This is what sets off the alarm. Now if the factory disarm was to send a double pulse to disarm for RS and Trunk we should be golden. However.. Wouldn't it unlock it as well at that point? This is the only part I am not getting.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:57 AM
Interestingly enough Directechs gives that as beige lock, pin 10 and lt. blue unlock pin 40 on an adjacent GREY 40 pin plug with the pink as factory disarm only, no unlock.
If lock and unlock already work for you with the above wiring, just try setting the Viper as a double pulse unlock.

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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 11:59 AM
Just been looking back on this thread, try the wiring beige light blue and pink as I suggested.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 12:03 PM
howie ll wrote:

Interestingly enough Directechs gives that as beige lock, pin 10 and lt. blue unlock pin 40 on an adjacent GREY 40 pin plug with the pink as factory disarm only, no unlock.
If lock and unlock already work for you with the above wiring, just try setting the Viper as a double pulse unlock.


Lock and unlock work fine and the Blue unlock is already set to double pulse.

Do you mean set the factory disarm wire to double pulse and use that?

I need a way for the viper to tell the car to disarm for RS and Trunk pop. Right now the 3 pin blue double pulse unlock does not have that logic.





Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 12:08 PM
I meant move lock and unlock to the colours and positions I suggested, double pulse disarm, GREEN/ black on H3 to pink.
Here's hatch release and raise:-
BCM, green 40 pin plug, pin 16; power lift gate switch, green 8 pin plug, pin 6, both NEG (-).

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 12:08 PM
howie ll wrote:

Just been looking back on this thread, try the wiring beige light blue and pink as I suggested.


To get this straight..

beige pin 10 LOCK
lt. blue pin 40 UNLOCK

Pink pin 13 Disarm

What about the pin 12 brown "unlock wire" listed in the chart?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 12:10 PM
Ignore it. Note I'm not going by experience, the UK version has a different name and is made here, I'm using Directechs for the 2015 Rogue with PTS.

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Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 12:17 PM
howie ll wrote:

Ignore it. Note I'm not going by experience, the UK version has a different name and is made here, I'm using Directechs for the 2015 Rogue with PTS.


Okay I think I understand.

beige pin 10 LOCK ------------- Green Viper 3 pin
lt. blue pin 40 UNLOCK ---------------- Blue Viper 3 Pin

Pink pin 13 Disarm ---------GREEN/ black Factory viper disarm.



Seems to make sense.. Yet right now and for months I have had the blue viper 3 pin unlock going to the pink wire with double pulse and it unlocks the car no issue.

This is what worries me. If I set the factory disarm to 2 pulses wouldn't it just unlock the doors since that is what it is doing now?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 12:50 PM
No that pink is disarm no unlock.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 1:09 PM
howie ll wrote:

No that pink is disarm no unlock.


I totally understand WHY you are saying that but like I said. Right now I have the blue unlock going directly to the Pink wire double pulse and it unlocks!

Look at this.. maybe this is why..

Maybe it is because the unlock is D2D from Viper to iDataLink which means that unlock and lock are hooked up correctly automatically.

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Now the factory alarm disarms when unlocked due to my mis-wiring. I have the viper unlock connected to the factory disarm on double pulse. This is why I can unlock the doors and not have the factory alarm go off.

How ever when RS or Trunk pop is engaged the viper sends a disarm ONLY (not unlock) and this wire is not hooked up which ends up in the alarm going off). When I unlock the doors the disarm of the factory alarm happens and the car starts or trunk pops.

Something tells me the iDataLink takes care of the Lock/Unlock though the CAN wires. The fact that I am using D2D means I probably can ignore the Viper Unlock wire and just use the Viper Disarm on the Pink wire.. Let the iDataLink to Viper D2D unlock the car VIA can wires and let the viper disarm the car when starting. The Arm/Lock is listed as the same wire so I will leave the green 3 pin Viper Lock connected too the Brown wire.

See these docs here:

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: June 29, 2015 at 2:18 PM
howie ll wrote:

No that pink is disarm no unlock.


Another Monday / another Rogue bump lol.

Hey all,

So still trying to get to the bottom of this before I go switching wires around.

Summary:

I need to use the Factory Disarm Viper Wire.

I assume I need to wire it to the Pink Wire supplied by the BCM listed in the iDataLink guide above.

What do I do with the Viper 3 wire Unlock wire. (Currently wired to the pink wire with a double pulse).

Unlock works not but after letting the factory alarm set (after 30 min of so) the factory alarm goes off when remote starting / opening trunk hatch.

I assume because when unlocking the trunk hatch / or remote starting the factory alarm needs to be disarmed. With the factory disarm wire not hooked up that makes sense that the alarm is going off.

However.. do I hook up factory disarm to the pink (double pulse)?? Do I hook up the unlock to a wire (double or single pulse?).

I need to know for sure before I go messing with things.

Thank you Master Jedi's!




Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: July 07, 2015 at 11:04 AM
bump please




Posted By: mpe235
Date Posted: July 07, 2015 at 7:31 PM
I am not familiar with the idatalink modules. Can the module be configured to unlock the doors before remote start and lock after the vehicle is running?

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Posted By: mpe235
Date Posted: July 07, 2015 at 8:05 PM
Looking at the install guide for the 5704 it looks like the viper arm wire will go to lock on the vehicle and disarm to unlock. You will also use the lock and unlock wires on the same wires. Set menu 2 option 7 to disarm on remote start. Menu 3 option 16 to remote start safelock on. I believe that would relock after the vehicle starts. Also I think Nissan uses the first pulse to disarm and the second to unlock so you could try setting up the disarm on single pulse to see if that works.

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Posted By: jsigna
Date Posted: July 15, 2015 at 8:31 PM
mpe235 wrote:

Looking at the install guide for the 5704 it looks like the viper arm wire will go to lock on the vehicle and disarm to unlock. You will also use the lock and unlock wires on the same wires. Set menu 2 option 7 to disarm on remote start. Menu 3 option 16 to remote start safelock on. I believe that would relock after the vehicle starts. Also I think Nissan uses the first pulse to disarm and the second to unlock so you could try setting up the disarm on single pulse to see if that works.


Wow okay that makes sense.

So I should wire the GREEN / WHITE factory arm wire from the viper with the green lock wire to the cars brown lock wire. (is the factory arm really necessary?)

Then wire the GREEN/ black factory disarm from the viper to the blue lock wire to the cars pink unlock wire.

Set unlock to double pulse. Factory disarm to single pulse.

Then set menu 2 option 7 to disarm on remote start.

If I have disarm set to only 1 pulse I will not need to safelock after remote start so I will not do menu 3 option 16.

The factory remote on single unlock would just unlock the driver door. Then the second unlock would unlock all doors.

I know for a fact a single pulse did nothing physically. Maybe it was just disabling factory alarm.

Thank you!

P.S I did wire the factory alarm to the unlock and did it for single pulse and set it to disarm only on remote start and trunk pop.

I did not wire the factory arm because I figure that is a single pulse and so is the lock so what is the difference and when would I want to arm and not lock?

So far so good.. I will know in the next few days.

Thanks!





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