Viper 5706V 2010 Camaro MTS issue

Hey all, first post on the forum, read a lot of other places pointing me here, so hopefully I can find an answer.

Got a 2010 Camaro SS in stick, the 5706V viper system, and the FLCAN. Flashed the FLCAN with the appropriate firmware, and set it up for data mode to save me the dozen soldering connects. Below are the links to the wiring diagrams I used. Keep in mind the car has a PK3 immobilizer system.

Now, the the problem is that the car will not remote start, or even let me initialize the sequence for remote starting. I can put my foot on the brake, rip the e-brake, let go of foot brake, but when I hit the remote start button on the fob, I get "remote start error". I got 7 flashes when I tried the startup diagnostics. Keyless entry/security/everything else work fine, it sees my door, hood, and trunk status (i flipped the normally closed/open to verify incoming signal). Neutral safety switch is on. FLCAN was successfully programmed to my key.

Now, for the wiring diagram. I used type2 in the link below, and used the data cable, so all the dotted lines *should* be communicating through data.
https://cdncontent2.idatalink.com/corporate/Content/Manuals/DL-GM7/FLC-AL(DL)-GM7-EN_20150402.pdf

On the remote start harnesses, here are the connects I made

Main 6-pin:
RED 12V constant>>>Battery
BLK Ground>>>Frame
BRN>>>Siren hot
WHT>>>Parking light at BCM
WHT/BRN & ORG not used

Aux Harness 24pin
BLK/YLW Dome light out (-)>>>Relay harness to connect to (+) BCM Lead
BRN/BLK Horn>>>Horn output on BCM
VLT/YLW (-) Starter Output>>>Clutch with 180ohm resistance (couldnt find 180, got a 150 and 3x 10ohm resistors in series)
ALL other wires were not used as FLCAN handled them through data as per the above diagram

Remote Start Harness 10-pin Heavy Gauge
ORG Accessory output (+)>>>BCM
PNK Ignition input/output (+)>>>BCM
ALL other connections not used (I think this harness is where my problem lies, as the starter lines were not used, explained below).

The FLCAN's Passlock line is connected to my vehicles starter/accessory wire, as they are a multiplex. I had assumed to just follow the diagram. I checked a vehicle-specific bulldog wiring diagram and it said the 2 starter lines were not used on the camaro, so I didnt. If I am to use them, I'm not sure how to connect, since depending on the resistance, it sends a different command to the BCM.

If anyone sees anything wrong here, please let me know. This was my first remote install on such a platform, and would like to know what I missed.

Sit in the vehicle, press down on clutch and try the remote start.
If it works, do the following:-
The violet / YELLOW going to the clutch via a 180R, relay that wire.
The wire once it goes through that resistance once have enough current to ground the clutch switch.
Violet / YELLOW 85
12V+, ign or constant 1 amp fused to 86
Good ground to 87
Clutch switch via 180R to 30
Diode 1N4004 across relay coil, band to 86.

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howie ll wrote:

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Sit in the vehicle, press down on clutch and try the remote start.
If it works, do the following:-
The violet / YELLOW going to the clutch via a 180R, relay that wire.
The wire once it goes through that resistance once have enough current to ground the clutch switch.
Violet / YELLOW 85
12V+, ign or constant 1 amp fused to 86
Good ground to 87
Clutch switch via 180R to 30
Diode 1N4004 across relay coil, band to 86.

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No-go, still doesn't start or initiate

OK since I live in the UK and haven't ever seen one apart from Hawaii 5-0 I'm about to download the "hardwire" instructions to this site look for 2010 Camaro in about 5 minutes, Downloads/Manuals section.
Also no familiarity with FLCAN, I'm used to DB-ALL so maybe a US person can post.

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7 flashes is : "MTS error: MTS mode not enabled"

CHeck the "neutral safety switch on the alarm is on the "on" position.

Check the Auxilary harness (24pin connector)
1. pin 13 Balck/White is grounded.
2. door trigger is hardwired
3. make sure The tachometer has been learned.




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I didn't mention that because the vehicle's a manual and that's the default so if the 5706 was new....
Mind you follow what Icearrow6 says.
Pin 13 or H2 connector should either be grounded or go to the parking brake switch.

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Also, since you mentioned this is your first time on this platform i have to ask.
Do you know the pre-procedure to enable manual transmission remote start?
Where you have the car running,
step on the brake,
set ebrake,
set safety switch,
turn key off (car remains on),
exit vehicle,
hit "lock" on remote and car shutdowns and now ready for remote start.

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Safety switch = start button on remote.

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Of course in manual mode it won't R/S unless you go through that procedure, as an installer I forget these things and set them up initially as an auto to test.

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howie ll wrote:

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Of course in manual mode it won't R/S unless you go through that procedure, as an installer I forget these things and set them up initially as an auto to test.

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Yeah, it happens. I also check with Auto trans set, its just a habit, but i think the clutch override might still need to be done.

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Do you mean what I said about the relay?

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I had a shop finish the install, was driving me too crazy. However, now when I initialize the remote start, my accessories (namely radio) remain on instead of turning off after the engine shuts down. Any way to stop that from happening?

tel them you need a RAP shutdown. pulsing the door trigger will shut the radio off

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tedmond wrote:

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tel them you need a RAP shutdown. pulsing the door trigger will shut the radio off

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Yeah I figured it was an RAP thing. Is that something I can configure inside the viper module? Or extra wiring?

spadz93 wrote:

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tedmond wrote:

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tel them you need a RAP shutdown. pulsing the door trigger will shut the radio off

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Yeah I figured it was an RAP thing. Is that something I can configure inside the viper module? Or extra wiring?

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Also need to take into account that If I pulse the door trigger wire, won't that disable the remote start system initialization?

Y^ou do it after motor running and alarm turned off, also if you program Menu 3 feature 16 safe lock, that might do it.

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howie ll wrote:

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Y^ou do it after motor running and alarm turned off, also if you program Menu 3 feature 16 safe lock, that might do it.

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I'll give that a shot after work, can't hurt and I can always change it back. Thanks for the advice!

spadz93 wrote:

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howie ll wrote:

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Y^ou do it after motor running and alarm turned off, also if you program Menu 3 feature 16 safe lock, that might do it.

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I'll give that a shot after work, can't hurt and I can always change it back. Thanks for the advice!

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Changing the option didn't work, how would I wire this?

How important is closing down the RAP? Surely after turning on the R/S you're go ng to get into your car and drive away?

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howie ll wrote:

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How important is closing down the RAP? Surely after turning on the R/S you're go ng to get into your car and drive away?

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I think you may be misunderstanding. Here's what happens:

1. Park car
2. Hold foot brake
3. Pull E-brake
4. Release foot brake
5. Press remote start
6. Exit car
7. Lock car
8. Engine turns off but radio stays on

I agree that pulsing the door trigger wire would definitely disable the RAP and finish shutting the car down, but, theoretically speaking, wouldn't pulsing the door trigger wire make the Viper system think that a door was opened as well, hence disabling the system from allowing the car to R/S?

That's what was bothering me. You could use factory disarm on H2 to achieve the same but I was also worried about triggering the alarm.


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So pulsing the door trigger would be no dice?

No.


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howie ll wrote:

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No.

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So it would work? Just trying to clarify before I go back into the wiring.

You can't cut the radio ACC, there isn't one.


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howie ll wrote:

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You can't cut the radio ACC, there isn't one.

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I thought we were talking about using the factory alarm re-arm on the viper to pulse the door trigger wire, thus shutting down RAP?

I had another idea.
Take it back to the people who installed it.
I've no idea what FL-CAN is but DB-ALL has provision for RAP shutdown.

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How long does the radio stay on? The RAP usually shuts down after 10 minuets or so.
Maybe manually shut the radio off before doing MTS mode.

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Turn the radio off? Doh.

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I can turn off the source on the pioneer radio that I have, but it's a bit of a process that I don't want to go through every time I turn off the car, and then have to re-do every time I get in. The FLCAN's install manual says that it has RAP Shutdown Control for my model, but I simply can't find it inside of the configurator online. I will try calling Flashlogic's support line on Monday and will make due with this, unless I can find a way to disable RAP entirely, which, truthfully I wouldn't mind. If i wanted my accessories on, I would leave the key in ACC.

Did you add an aftermarket radio?
Find the RED ign. lead to the radio.
Cut it.
Leads at H2; if any of the following are vacant, dark blue, blue/white, pink, pink/white or orange.
Connect one of them to relay 85.
12V+ constant to 86 fused at 2 amps.
Cut lead from source to 87a.
Cut lead to radio to 30.
87 isn't used tape etc. over it.
Diode 1N4004 across 86 and 85, band to 86.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

howie ll wrote:

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Did you add an aftermarket radio?
Find the RED ign. lead to the radio.
Cut it.
Leads at H2; if any of the following are vacant, dark blue, blue/white, pink, pink/white or orange.
Connect one of them to relay 85.
12V+ constant to 86 fused at 2 amps.
Cut lead from source to 87a.
Cut lead to radio to 30.
87 isn't used tape etc. over it.
Diode 1N4004 across 86 and 85, band to 86.

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Did this today. Tried all the wires on the H2 harness, none of which triggered the desired operation of turning the radio off when the remote start/alarm is armed. Instead, I connected the orange (ground when armed) wire on the 6-pin harness to pin 85 on the relay, and bam, working perfectly. Thanks for the help!