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Adding sensor to factory alarm

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: April 19, 2024 at 4:07 PM


Topic: Adding sensor to factory alarm

Posted By: ryan-brz
Subject: Adding sensor to factory alarm
Date Posted: June 20, 2015 at 9:20 PM

I am trying to add a DEI 504D shock sensor to my factory alarm on my 2013 Subaru BRZ.

I am trying to use the trunk sensor\trigger. On the trunk latch/release mechanism, there is a plug with 3 wires in it:

brown - remote key fob trunk opener; gets +12v when the remote trunk opener is used
black - ground
BLACK/ white - Unsure how this one works. When the plug is removed from the assembly, this is 12v+ and the trunk light turns off. If I ground this wire, the trunk light turns on. When the alarm is armed and this wire is grounded, the alarm goes off. With that said, I've attempted to use this wire with the sensor. The light turns on in the trunk when the sensor senses a shock so my wiring is correct as I planned it, but the alarm does not trigger. I'm not sure what I'm missing here. Can anyone assist?



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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 4:20 AM
Probably won't work; this has been tried before many times, it's to do with the signal sent out not being compatible with the OEM alarm's sensor input.
Failed years ago ago trying this with a glass break sensor on a Civic.
Yes, the BLACK/ white is correct.

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Posted By: ryan-brz
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 8:44 AM
But how would it work when I manually ground the wire to the frame of the car then?

Is there a chance it would work if I used a relay to give the alarm a ground... Using the sensor as a trigger to the relay?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 8:59 AM
I think you might be on the right path, worth a try.
At the time I never thought of boosting the current with a relay.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: ryan-brz
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 11:52 AM
Thanks for the replies, I'm going to give it a try and I'll report back whether or not it works.

I'm no electronics guru, just want to confirm that it is normal/ok/safe to ground a wire when it has 12v+. It seems normal as it makes my trunk light turn on, but isn't that shorting out the wire which is bad? Or is this normal?




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 12:21 PM
If the bulb is left in, that BLACK/ white will show 12V+ until it's grounded.
Here's your circuit:-trunk_light.png

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: ryan-brz
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 4:15 PM
Using a relay to ground the trunk wire works perfectly. The trunk light also now comes on and off immediately, where when directly linked to the sensor it would dim on then dim off. Now, it's like a light switch when controlled by the relay.

Thank you for the help!




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 21, 2015 at 4:21 PM
Thanks I think you've solved a long running problem.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.




Posted By: chassis
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 1:49 PM
Had the same issue,thanks for posting.

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Do it once,do it right - This means no short cuts. You never get paid twice for having to do the job twice because it wasn't done right the first time.




Posted By: ryan-brz
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 3:37 PM
For those that are going to attempt this, I used a SPDT relay from Radio Shack, p/n 275-0031, which has a 30mA coil which the sensor is strong enough to energize.




Posted By: chassis
Date Posted: June 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM
Thanks for the info buddy!

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Do it once,do it right - This means no short cuts. You never get paid twice for having to do the job twice because it wasn't done right the first time.




Posted By: sevgi
Date Posted: June 30, 2015 at 3:27 PM
Good Job, I will definitely try this. Just an additional tip, you can isolate your car system from your add on circuit by using a diode, just to be sure that the add on circuit won’t affect the rest of the circuit.

Regards,
Sevgi S.

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Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: June 30, 2015 at 4:29 PM
Good thinking, I had a sseesenior moment, that's a given.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.





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