06 Odyssey Viper 5204 -PKALL Remote Start

Dear Techies,

I'm planning to install Viper 5204 with xpress kit PKALL module.
Planning to hook this up in D2D mode.

As per the Pkall wiring diagram, I see only 4 wires need to be connected to the Car.

1. Xpresss Kit PKAL (Connector 2) --PURPLE / White ----Carries Data to Red wire from the ignition barrel.

2. PKALL(Connector 2) - Pink ---Ignition to BLACK / YELLOW to Ignition barrel.

3. From PKALL(connector 3) two wires (Lightgreen,ORANGE / Brown) -- connect to the security Light wire(Blue/Orange) from Ignition Barrel.

From PKALL to Viper,

1. the D2D connector between Viper 5204 and PKALL.
2. PKALL Blue/White(Connetctor 2) to Viper ( stat- output).


So now my question is :

1) As Im using D2D, do I still need connections from Viper 5204 remote starter to Car?   

2) If yes, What all wires that would need to connect from Remote starter to Car directly?




Also, there are multiple harnesses shown in the 5204 installation manual and I believe that most of them may not be required.

I already have a factory alarm system in my car and I just need to incorporate the remote starter functionality to work with my OEM alarm. I do not want any of the functionalities to be disturbed because of this integration.

3) Is this possible? Do I need a different bypass module instead of PKALL?

4) As Im wiring as D2D, will the integration be possible with the OEM alarm?

2006 Honda Odyssey
Viper 5204 Security Remote start
Xpresskit PKALL

Hi ,

I have also attached the Viper 5204 Harness details for your reference.

Thanks in advance.

The PK-ALL install guide only shows the wires necessary for the transponder bypass part of the install, which it handles.  You will still need to connect many wires from the 5204 to the minivan.  Here is a link to Bulldog Security for vehicle specific info :  https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.aspx

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Thank you kreg357. Your response clarified my primary doubt.
Now I need to figure out what all wires are required to be connected from Viper to Car.

In the bulldogsecurity website wiring diagram, it is mentioned that DBALL support remote start and doorlock whereas PKALL is only for remote start. So i assume that if I use PKALL, my OEM door look/unlock will not be functional anymore.

Can any one suggest a buypass module (PKALL,DBALL,idatalink, Flashlogic etc.) that is compatible with Viper5204 and Honday Ody 2006?

Not really.  With the PK-ALL handling the transponder bypass, everything else could be hardwired.  The Viper should
not disable the Factory Alarm but the door locks will not work while the engine is running.  This is normal for Honda's
with or without any aftermarket add-ons

I'm not a DEI user, but if you are looking for DBI D2D easy, you could try to get a DB-ALL2 flashed with the HONDA4
firmware.  The latest version is v3.06.  This will give you power locks & sliding door control and interface with the Factory
Alarm system.  The only issue with D2D is that all the door, trunk and hood status signals will be transferred to the Viper
and it's alarm system will be active also.  Going W2W will allow you to select what signals are seen by the Viper ( hood
only for the R/S safety ), etc.

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Thank you Kreg. I just got a DBALL2 flashed from a local installer.

I have the following wires to be hooked up to the car.


(+) 12v
Parking lights
(+) Start
(+) Accessory 1
(+) Accessory 2

From the above 5204 Harness details, Is the below mapping correct?

1) R/S H3/1 - Pink - to Ignition Harness (Brown connector/ Which Pin?)

2) Which is the Viper Harness/Wire for Accessory 1 and 2 ?
Is it H3/3 and H3/7 ? If yes, where can it be connected to in the Ignition connector?

3) Starter -- Is it the H2/18 or H3/4 or H3/5 .
The right wire to be connected to Ignitions switch Pin1. BLACK/ White wire. correct?

4) Parkinglights - Is it H1/4 or H1/5 of Main viper Harness? where can that be connected to in the car?

Regarding Starter wire, this is what the manual says.

H3/4 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
H3/5 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)


Does it mean that I would need to use both the wires? If yes,

Should I cut the BLACK/ White wire from Ignition Harness(Brown connector) and connect h3/4 and H3/5 to both the ends?

What confusing me is, the above connection diagram shows just one direct connection (+Start) from Remote start to the vehicle.

Just to add one more clarification regarding the Accessory 1 and 2.

For accessory, In addition to H3/3, I also see another thin orange wire in the H2 harness pin 22.

H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT.


So, Can I use, the Orange wire (H3/3) from H3 as Accessory 1 and   the thin orange H2/22 (H2/2) as Accessory 2 that connects to Ignition Switch connector BLACK/ red(pin 4) and WHITE/ Red(Pin 5) respectively?

H3/2, H3/6, H3/9       +12V constant              white +  ignition harness         
H3/4    car side          Starter BLACK/ white     +  ignition harness    cut this wire
H3/5    switch side     Starter BLACK/ white     +  ignition harness    cut this wire
H3/1 Ignition   BLACK / YELLOW   +  ignition harness   
H3/3 Accessory        BLACK/ red        +  ignition harness   
H3/7   program Viper            2nd Accessory              WHITE/ red        +  ignition harness      Menu 3, Feature 8, Opt 2

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Remember that the DB-ALL2 wiring diagram is rather generic and not specifically for your Viper 5204.  Your Viper has a Flex relay that can be programmed as ACC2.  Not all R/S units have built in Starter Kill & Anti-Grind ( Green & Violet wires ). So yes, cu the vehicles Starter wire and make those connections.

The thin H2/22 Orange wire is a (-) output and not what the vehicles ACC2 wires needs.  Use the Flex relay output mentioned above.

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4) Parking lights - Is it H1/4 or H1/5 of Main viper Harness? where can that be connected to in the car?

Use the H1/5 White Parking Light Output wire.  Set the internal jumper / fuse to (-).  Connect it to this vehicle wire :
Parking Lights (-)     RED / black (-)      @ headlight switch in column cover
H1/4 is not used for your application.

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Thanks a million Kreg.
I think I'm good for now to proceed further. :-).

Kreg,

Would you please clarify one quick doubt? I understand that 5204 features "Failsafe Starter Kill" and I believe that is what causing me to cut the starter wire to connect Green and Violet wires.

If I do not need that functionality, Can I save starter wire by not cutting and just tapping it from instead? If yes, which of these two wires(Green,Violet) or both would need to be connected to starter wire?

Although the viper 5204 is an alarm with remote starter, I'm just planning to use it as the remote starter since I already have an OEM security system.

Kindly advice.

Yes, don't cut the vehicles Starter wire and only connect the Vipers Violet wire.

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Ok, I have wired everything and programmed. Now everything works except the remote start.

When I press and hold the remote start button, it gives me a buzzer sound and after a delay of approx 5 to 6 seconds, the parking light flashes 8 times. Upon referring the viper manual i see the below.

"8 flashes - Neutral safety wire has no ground or the neutral safety switch is Off."

But I'm 100% sure that the Neutral switch is at ON position. \
I also checked using a multimeter to verify the switch is functioning as expected.

Prior to reaching this state, it was flashing 7 times. So I thought I would need to change the transmission mode to Automatic assuming that by default it is Manual. Tried that to set "Automatic. Not sure if something went wrong in setting.

Also tried the hood pin functionality by connecting and disconnecting the two wires of hood pin connector. But no luck

The below functionalities works fine.

1 Lock/Unlock.
2 Sliding doors operation
3 Siren


Would you please help? What could be the issue?

Do I need to connect the below wire? As of now I have not connected any thing from H2.

H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT

BLACK/ white needs to be grounded.

Test to see if the DBALL is actually doing brake shutdown and hood status through data, if not you will have to hook those up as well.

Yes, That was the problem. I connected the H2/2 to the ground and now it works fine. Yet to do a complete functional test though.

Once again, a million thanks to Kreg. Without his support, I would not have achieved this.

Thanks a lot bs1d3.

I tested the brake shutdown and works fine. Yet to test hood status.

The remote start is not disabled when the hood is open. The hood open signal is not passed on through the D2D. So I would need a hood pin switch. Right?

Instead of fishing wire through the firewall and install a hood pin switch, Is there a way can I use the factory hood pin switch wires? If yes, are those available anywhere in the drive side fuse panel or around?

You have a few options.

1.  Try making a physical wire connection between the DB-ALL2 Red plug Pin 12 Hood Status Output and the Viper's
      hood pin input at H2/17.

2.  Connect the Vipers H2/17 Hood Pin Input wire to this wire under the hood :
      Hood Pin  yellow/red to GREEN/ black (-)     @ factory hood pin switch under hood

3.  Connect the Vipers H2/17 Hood Pin Input wire to the kit supplied and installed hood pin switch.

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Kreg,

I tried the option 1 and it did not work. Assuming that D2D doesn't have that hood open information.

Will try other options too and update you on the results.
It's pretty cold today at my place (Hicksville, NY). So I may try this tomorrow.

Kreg,

If i lock the car using any remote(factory remote or viper remote) and if i open the door, the alarm triggers and only the siren sounds. Means, if the do not connect the siren, there is no audible indication when someone opens the door. I was expecting the OEM system would still work as it is and the horn will sound.

Is there a way can i get the horn sound instead of siren or along with siren?

I'm not a DEI user and have never tried a DB-ALL2, but I would think that the Factory Alarm system should remain operational.  It does with the Honda's I've done with iDatalink modules.  On some of the newer Honda's you even have to do an "Unlock before and re-lock after" to prevent a remote start from setting off the Factory alarm.  I guess the main question is : Are you sure your Odyssey has the Factory Alarm system?  The fact that the DB-ALL2 is not supplying the Hood Status signal is a pointer that it doesn't.  Here is a note from the DB-All2 install guide concerning the Hood Status output:

** This feature is only supported if the vehicle is equipped with an OEM alarm

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Thanks again Kreg. I believe I have the factory alarm installed. because sometime back, I had locked the car and the horn repeatedly sounded when I opened opened the door manually. Mine is 2006 Honda Odyssey EXL and the below specs shows it has a security system.

https://owners.honda.com/vehicles/information/2006/Odyssey/specs#mid^RL3876JW

Hey Kreg,

Just an update on the hood status. Now the D2D provides the hood status. The actual issue was in the connector at the hood switch. It was not plugged in tight. I think I should have verified this before running wire from the unit till the switch.
Thanks for all your inputs.

Kreg,

Where do you normally place the alarm brain in a 2006 Odyssey? Pardon me if this is a dump question. But I would like to know where every usually fix the brain. Although I completed installation, I have not fixed it to a permanent location.

I've never done an odyssey, but since you've finished the wiring, your options are limited to your wire length. Isn't there a thick wiring harness up under the dash you can zip tie it to?

Yes, there is a thick wire bunch that goes to the steering column. But i don't have enough space there to tie that to?