THGM610 T-02/DBALL2/viper 5706. A few .

Hello 12V,
I have a few questions regarding an 09 Chevy Silverado LT 4 door. I'm installing a viper 5706(any manuals surfaced yet?), DBALL2 , using a THGM610 T-02 T-harness for the install, an RFLCHGM, and possibly smartstart. I have the smart start module (VSM200 or 250/not positive at the moment) I just haven't decided if the yearly or monthly fee is worth it to me. I don't have any questions about smartstart(yet). Just added it to the list of equipment to be thorough.
D2D from dball2 to 5706 brain. Any other info needed I'll be glad to provide.
       Okay, I've researched this for almost a year on 12V.com and many other sites while I've waited for the free time to do the install. If I've missed something that's already answered on the site let me excuse myself in advance. Excell spreadsheet isn't very convenient right now either. My computer is in the shop, and I only have my iPhone.
        I'll shut up and ask my questions now.LOL
1. I've read a lot on what CANBUS will/will not support on my vehicle. Question: are park lights & brake shut down supported or is wiring necessary? Same goes for dome lights/dome supervision.. I plan on hooking up the brake wire. That does seem necessary from my research.

2. You all know how directed keeps info close to their chest for non-dealers/certified installers such as myself. I'm over 90% on what is necessary to hook up between component, and from components to vehicle. However I'm not positive on the following wires:
On the 6 pin main harness red(12V), black (grnd), and brown(siren) are all clear to me. But WHITE/ brown, white, & orange I am not sure about. A write-up on a 5901 install claimed the three wires were unnecessary and to tape em up. Can someone confirm that please?
3. 10 pin heavy gauge connector: my understanding so far is pink, red, orange,& RED / black will be used. I read that RED / white,pink/white, pink/black, violet, and green are not used.
At first I thought that the ignition T harness would eliminate all of these connections. Now I can see using the red(12V ignition 1 input) and maybe the RED / black. My limited experience has me unsure on these wires in question. The 5901 write up explained that the red and RED / black from 10 pin heavy gauge harness along with the red(12V constant) from main 6 pin harness could all 3 be soldered together and hooked up to a 12V constant power source. Thoughts on the 10 pin heavy gauge harness? Thoughts on connecting all 3 mentioned wires? I'm not experienced enough to yay or nay that but it just doesn't seem correct.

4.pink(+) ignition status output wire from T harness shows to connect to Remote start ignition input wire(+) with a diode inline. Is this connection intended for the red heavier gauge wire at the 10 pin remote start harness? The description in the quick reference install guide seems to match the "ignition input" described wire the best. However, two other wires on the 10 pin seem like possible candidates also. My question above about soldering the 3 mentioned wires together plays into this scenario too. If indeed that's correct a total of 4 wires would all be connected. The small pink diode isolated wire from T harness being one of the 4.
(I know this is long winded... I hope I'm not too all over the place)

5. 24 pin auxiliary/shutdown/trigger harness:
    In everything I could find it appears that 2 out of 24 wires will be needed from this harness?BLACK/ white(-) neutral safety/park brake input. Lug to ground for automatic trannys. Brown wire(-) brake shutdown input. Connect at brake pedal harness to blue/white wire.
Am I correct on this harness? I knew the Dball and T harness would eliminate a lot of connections but wow it just seems I would need more than 2? It sure appears to be the case I only wanted to consult you guys.
6. Last question: if I wire something up that's already supported by data or canbus will that cause damage to anything, or will one of the sources just be ignored while the other is used?
      Thanks in advance guys. I haven't posted but maybe a few times if that on the forum. So if I've botched this or missed a resource somewhere else on the site go easy on me.
     Thanks again!

I did a 2011 Silverado LT a couple of months ago. Used a DBALL with the RFLCHGM. No need for the 610 harness. Followed the DBALL with RFLCHGM Guide. Very Easy vehicle to do. The 2007-2013 is listed the same from Bulldog Security.

Link to the Pictorial.
https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=139405


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Thanks for reply! I thought everyone would just blow me off.
   Good write up, a simple write up, but like you said it's an easy install. My message was huge but believe it or not I'm only unsure of a few connections. I could've thrown the system in my 09 and most likely been okay. I'm just a little OCD and try to eliminate any risk of screwing up the modules or most importantly my truck. I haven't done an install on anything in so long this is the first with data lines/canbus
     I agree, T-harness isn't necessary. However I already have it and it wasn't cheap so I think if it eliminates one or two splices into factory harness I'll use it.
      I'll have to look back at your pictorial but, was that security and RS or just remote start?
     If I look back at your post and find it was security, and remote start would I be okay going by your wiring with my 5706?
you mentioned only one hookup at OBDII plug? Shouldn't there be 3? Can hi can low and can. GREEN/ (SWCAN), tan/(CAN low),& tan/black(CAN high).
    Not doubting you man I'm just trying to wrap my head around this.

   Serious thanks for replying to help!

I didn't think any of the large gauge wires in the 10 pin connector would be necessary. They still may not be unnecessary, I'm just getting too many differences in opinion(not you).
   My understanding is that if your using a bypass module especially a dball2 and the truck has the RPK code in the glove box identifying it as RSR. (Remote start ready) why would any of the large wires from the 10 pin be necessary?

Re 5706 guide, Viper.com go to support, failing that remote and antenna apart it's a 5704.

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Thank you,
I think auto-correct may have struck again. Are you saying go to viper support and follow the remote/antenna guide for the 5704?
   If I interpreted that incorrectly Howie please let me know.
Glad you mentioned that. I found in numerous conversations that the 5704 manual is as close to a 5706 manual out there. Wire/color functions being the same only the 5706 has the 24 pin/6 pin/10 pin instead of the slightly different H1,H2,&H3 configured plugs on the 5704.
    I fear my posts look like I want someone to do all the thinking for me and go wire by wire. Maybe I'm not coming off that way. Ha.. I assure you guys I've scraped for info and studied this for months. I'm just not familiar enough with it to be 100% on some of the wiring.
   I will check viper support out, thanks Howie!
Any thoughts on the theory of red to RED / black on 10 pin to red on 6 pin with pink ign. Input tying in to all 3? Pink from Dball being the diode isolated wire.

    One more thing, I have 1,3,&5 amp diodes to choose from. Which size would you guys use?
    Thanks

What I meant was 5706 should be there if NOT use 5704 operations, use and remote (though NOT interchangeable) operations are virtually identical.
The diode question is based on the current draw of whatever circuits you're using.
Here in the UK I buy 100 of 1 and 3 at a time, really only use the 3 amp for euro direction indicators, that is splitting the white output lights wire.

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Yes, the 5706 was there but it's the 63 pg. owners guide. I do have a full install manual downloaded for the 5704 and the 5901. Would you recommend the 5704 manual over the 5901?
   I just recieved 50 count packs of 1 and 3 amp diodes. I picked up 5 of the 5 amp diodes locally. I'll test to determine which size. That brings up the question about the 4 wires all being tied together at 12V constant. I keep dragging that up because it just doesn't seem correct to me. The details are in my first post but basically I'm concerned that not all of the mentioned wires should tie in 12V constant. The descriptions for 1 maybe 2 of the wires appear to need key on accessory (12V). But hey, that's my limited thoughts and assumptions and we all know what assuming will get you"zap"...
       Ok, so I do have the 5704 manual and have read it a few times. I'll look closer because I guess I'm missing something. It's clear what's what in the Dball install with T harness guide. Also looking on directed's site at the table showing what functions are utilized by data lines/CANBUS. The only gray area "to me anyway" with limited knowledge on this is what is/isn't needed. If it's known to be needed it's clear on connections as long as a bypass module isn't in the picture. Siamese the stuff together and in my pea brain it becomes unclear.
   I'll look around some more on viper's site to find some clues maybe.
       Thank you guys for your time and helping me with this

5704, 5901 is obsolete with different plugs.
Normal practise, Red on H1 and Red, RED / white and RED / black to a 12V+ constant.
Pink goes to an ignition wire.

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The 4204 I installed was just a remote start as the truck had a factory alarm so hood pin, was through the vehicle wiring/DBALL connections.


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Okay, so the write-up was accurate, but this is the first I've heard confirming the RED / white wire tying into the H1 red, big awg red,& RED / black.
   10 pin big pink to ignition (key on hot surely). Therefore the small pink from Dball T harness can tie to the pink also at switch with the big pink from 10 pin.
     I agree completely on 5901&5704 being obsolete. The harnesses compared to my 5706 are configured totally different. Thank you Howie
    Smokeman, I was about to ask you if it was remote start only. Yes that's the conclusion I've come to is that hood status is definitely monitored through the system. I've read that dome supervision and park lights are supported. I've read that they are not supported... Hmmm. I guess I'll just have to find out on that one. I don't want the problem one member had. His approach lights (headlights on when unlocked remotely)would not come on after 5706 install. Park lamps only. I definitely don't want to lose that feature.
    I'm going into my steering column now so any advice/tips/information is sure welcome!

With my particular vehicle and components I will be posting an in depth install how to. Maybe someone will benefit from it.
Howie/smoke,
      Thanks and keep it coming if u think of anything please.

5704 is obsolete but the looms and wiring apart from antenna/control centre and it's feeder cable are identical.
All the brains are the same.
Known as 5X04, you should see that stamped in a corner.

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Hey Howie or smoke,
   I'm down to a 3 wire question, and just can't seem to find hard evidence.
   Howie, I know you said to solder red,RED / black,and red white together. This is on this is on the large gauge wire harness.(called H3 on everything viper has with a published manual but not the 5706) (I say that not to confuse others reading this for reference help. not you Howie or smoke)
   RED / white is ignition2 and from everything I can dig up nothing elaborates on flex relay input. I'm confused if this is for a add-inn relay or a relay in the viper system or on the vehicle. Some info says wire it up some doesn't. Even if it's not needed(not questioning your advice Howie) if it's hooked up anyway would it even be an issue? Needed or not?
     -5706 Large gauge pin 8 orange wire: "accessory output(+)"
In the 5901 install write up its instructed to hook up orange from viper to the brown ignition wire "pin 6" in vehicle at switch. Mostly mentioned on this is climate control. I only have a basic AC/heat system and need clarification on if it's needed and would it hurt to hook it to brown at switch. What exactly does climate control-the 5706- and my LT package Silverado have in common? When I hear climate control I think of dual zone fancy climate control.
The third wire in question is pink large gauge wire. Even with T harness using factory plug ins it appears this wire is covered. "Should be" harness to DBALL to 5706.
   If this is redundant I apologize. Could someone please elaborate on these three wires and how they affect my install.
RED / white,orange, and pink large gauge wires. That is all that I have left in the way of install questions.
   Thanks a lot guys

If the DB-ALL 2 instructions for that vehicle don't call for them don't use them.

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Fair enough. It seems I severely over complicated this, but no worries if everything turns out okay.
I kept wondering about that Howie every time I looked at the Dball install info. The diagram just shows a black box labeled "remote start". I get that since directed can't possibly know what type or brand remote start/security system your installing. When looking at the diagram the only wires to hook to remote start module are: pink(+) ignition output from Dball T-harness to (+) remote start ignition input. I'll call it the H3 harness on viper module(10 pin large wires) had the a described ignition input, although the red12V fused wire also mentioned ignition input. RED / white and RED / black were inputs too but either for flex relay or ignition 2. I was able to find that my 09 Silverado did not have an ignition 2 option. I'm not even sure what ignition 2 means.
       
       Okay so pink to R/S ignition input, a 12V and ground connection, and parking lights hooked to remote start. Literally 4 wires. I realize that we are talking R/S only when looking at the Dball install sheet. Also you've got the plug in connections to the 5706, sensor,d2d, ect... It's the alarm side of the 5706 that keeps me asking you about these large gauge wires. Red, RED / white, RED / black, pink, and orange.   I also considered that since the vehicle is remote start ready needing only a Dball to actually have a working remote start, but a security system is also something I'm having to consider. Will the Dball communicate everything it needs to see or do these large wires need a direct connect?
    I know that sometimes you just have to try something while testing and I'm not asking to have my hand held. I've been a mechanic/machinist/weekend warrior car audio enthusiast for over 20 years. So I know when I need to ask questions rather than zap some electrical components in my vehicle.
     Seriously though, it seems realistic but not connecting any wires from the 5706's 10 pin harness is what you suggest?
     Other than the 4 connections listed above you have of course your three CAN connections at OBDII plug.
   Any words of reassuring wisdom on my ramble above Howie?

   Thank you sir!