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04 Lincoln Town car with prestige aps57e RS

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=140824
Printed Date: April 28, 2024 at 2:54 PM


Topic: 04 Lincoln Town car with prestige aps57e RS

Posted By: jcharley
Subject: 04 Lincoln Town car with prestige aps57e RS
Date Posted: February 09, 2016 at 3:14 PM

I'm wanting to install a remote start with keyless entry in a 2004 Lincoln Town car. Was hoping to find a wiring diagram and a heads up on anything special needed.

Thanks
Jeff



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Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 6:09 AM
https://readyremote.com/main.asp?action=select&yr=5606&product=Remote%20Start&make=Lincoln&model=Town%20Car#

Your key has a transponder, so you will need a bypass to remote start.

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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 6:28 AM
Is there any bypass units that control the door locks and trunk release taCh and other items for this vehicle? I'm a little confused on how to w2w this vehicle.




Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 10:41 AM
I think they just do immobilizer bypass for your vehicle. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

However, I think we can get you going. I pulled up the online pdf of your install manual. I see you need to convert the negative pulse from the Prestige to a positive for the door locks. You will need two relays- one for lock, and one for unlock. Use this: https://www.the12volt.com/relays/page1.asp#n2p

Another good place to look for wiring info: https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.aspx

If you select your vehicle, scroll down to trunk release and click the pdf off to the right. Just follow the wiring diagram.

For tach, you'll need to run a wire under the hood and connect to one of the fuel injector wires. Testing with your multimeter set to AC voltage, connect the red lead to an injector wire, and the black lead to ground. You should see a reading that increases with engine speed.

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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 11:20 AM
Thank you so much. That's very helpful. I'm planning to install this next weekend and just trying to get all the info I need so I can hopefully avoid any surprises.




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 11:50 AM
Can I use the same 12v power source for the RS on the relays or do I need to run a separate wire from the battery and if so can I just run 1 wire for all 3 relays or do they each need their own wire?




Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 12:42 PM
You can use the same wires at the ignition harness for power. Connect the two power wires for the door lock relays together, with a 5 amp fuse. Fuse the trunk release relay separately. I'm not sure how much current it draws, but you might check your owner's manual and use the same fuse rating.

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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 12:46 PM
Thank you and if you don't mind I have another question. This vehicle has a factory alarm. Is there anything else I need to wire up to make the alarm work with the RS or will it work by pressing the lock and unlock buttons on the RS




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 10, 2016 at 6:18 PM
This vehicle has a factory alarm. What all is required to wire it up to work with the RS.

It also has a 2nd accessory wire. Do I just use the 2nd ignition wire and program it to same as Accy.




Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 9:46 AM
It looks like the pulsed ground before start is for your factory disarm wire and the pulsed ground after start is for the factory rearm after starting.

Yes, reprogram it for accessory.

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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 9:53 AM
So when I engage the RS it will disarm the alarm, start the car, then rearm it. I belive I understand that and thank you for your help i was really confused on this one. but I still have need to know will the alarm be disarmed by pressing the unlock on the RS. And will it be re armed when the lock button is pressed.

Thanks




Posted By: mscguy
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 5:14 PM
10 Black w/ Blue Trace Wire: Pulsed Ground Output Before Start
The Black w/ Blue Trace Wire will provide a 1 second 300 mA pulsed ground output 500 mS before GWR
becomes active as well as when the transmitter is used to disarm the system. Typical use for this output
would be to disarm a factory theft deterrent system to prevent false triggering of the factory alarm when the
remote start unit engages or when the system is used to unlock the doors. This will also activate when the
transmitter is used to disarm/unlock the system.


11 Black w/ Light Green Trace Wire: Pulsed Ground Output After Start
The Black w/ Light Green Trace wire will provide a 1 second 300mA pulsed ground output after the vehicle
is started under control of the remote start unit. Typically this wire will be used to re-lock the vehicle doors
if the doors unlock automatically when the factory anti-theft system is disarmed. This wire will also activate
when the transmitter is used to arm/lock the system.


I copy pasted this from the manual found here "https://www.voxxelectronics.com/docs/common/APS57E/APS57E_IM.pdf"

Based on this, and if you wire them as Geepherder said, your factory alarm will disarm and arm when you press lock and unlock on your starter fob.




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 5:56 PM
Thank you!




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 8:56 PM
I'm looking at the link posted for the wiring info and it does not show a 2nd ignition. However bulldog security does.    The bulldog site shows the 2nd ignition as the same as 1 of the 2 1st accessory writes on the ready remote site. Is there any way to confirm which is accurate. If it does in fact have a 2nd ignition I will need to use the 2nd ignition wire to start the vehicle and will need to use a different wire for the 2nd accessory. I have a few negative pulse wires that can be programmed to same as ACCY (I'm assuming means accessory). To do this I would need a relay covering to a positive output I'm guessing. IS this correct and can anyone confirm if which site is correct on the 2nd ignition.

https://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.aspx

https://readyremote.com/main.asp?action=select&yr=5606&product=Remote%20Start&make=Lincoln&model=Town%20Car#




Posted By: mscguy
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 10:08 PM
Discrepancies in wiring diagrams? Time to break out the multimeter.

This is your ignition switch.

I would lean towards bulldog on this, but you can test yourself.


You can use one of those programmable outs to drive a relay for the 2nd Acc wire. Obviously not one of the ones you're using for the arm and disarm.

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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 11, 2016 at 10:19 PM
I can't thank you enough for all of your help.




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 20, 2016 at 8:00 PM
Ok, I have a strange problem. I got the RS and bypass installed. Had to program with klon. The remote will lock, unlock, and RS the vehicle just fine. However if I unlock the vehicle and try to use the key to start the vehicle it will trip the passive anti theft system and won't start. If I RS the vehicle it will start just fine. It will even work with the key as long aS I don't use the unlock feature on the RS. If I unplug the bypass the key works regardless of whether I hit unlock or not but obviously won't remote start. ANY thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm pulling my hair out at this point and am considering ordering a klon bypass to see if a different bypass will work.

Thanks in advance
Jeff




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 21, 2016 at 6:56 AM
jcharley wrote:

Ok, I have a strange problem. I got the RS and bypass installed. Had to program with klon. The remote will lock, unlock, and RS the vehicle just fine. However if I unlock the vehicle and try to use the key to start the vehicle it will trip the passive anti theft system and won't start. If I RS the vehicle it will start just fine. It will even work with the key as long aS I don't use the unlock feature on the RS. If I unplug the bypass the key works regardless of whether I hit unlock or not but obviously won't remote start. ANY thoughts or suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I'm pulling my hair out at this point and am considering ordering a klon bypass to see if a different bypass will work

Thanks in advance
Jeff



The remote start is prestige aps57e and the bypass is flashlogic FLTB1.





Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 22, 2016 at 12:12 PM
I have it wired in data mode. Would doing a hardwire possibly fix the issue




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 23, 2016 at 12:41 PM
I'm installing a prestige aps57e on an 04 Lincoln Town car. I'm looking for the wire that I need to hook into for the trunk release. It has the power deck lid.

Thanks
Jeff




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 24, 2016 at 7:08 AM
I'm also having trouble locating the wire that I need to hook into for the trunk release. This car has the power deck lid.

Thanks
Jeff




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 5:34 AM
Anyone?




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 5:43 AM
I know it says red wire at drivers kick and that is a5 wire bit on bulldog site says it's in the trunk of vehicle has power deck lid. This car does and there is no red wire there. My question is how do I test for the correct wire?




Posted By: geepherder
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 12:32 PM
Bulldog says red, but the diagram pdf says purple / YELLOW from trunk pop switch. Check with your meter and see.

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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 12:37 PM
Ok, thanks. Does it say if it's a positive or negative and thank you for the response




Posted By: mscguy
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 5:08 PM
Sorry for not replying sooner, for some reason I thought the trunk had an opening motor too, and I didn't want to only give you half an answer.

So, it looks like you should be able to get that wire at two places.

You can try in the drivers kick, should be a red one. You won't find a connector, you'll have to dig in that "14A005" Harness.

Also, in the trunk on the left side, is the Power luggage module. Red wire there too, Grey 17 pin, Pin 8.

Now, this wire is a (+) signal though, so you'll have to use a relay to change it. I'm assuming your start's is a negative. I didn't check.

Use your meter to check. Red probe to suspect wire, black probe to ground. Correct wire will show +12V when trunk release button is pressed.



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Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 5:57 PM
Thank you and I now have a different problem. Last week when I worked on the car I could get it to remote start. Now all it does is flash the lights when I try to remote start it. I haven't changed anything except for I have hard wired the bypass




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 6:17 PM
Disregard, newbie mistake. Had to set the tach to voltage. In trying to fix the issue last week I had reset the banks.




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 6:47 PM
mscguy wrote:

Sorry for not replying sooner, for some reason I thought the trunk had an opening motor too, and I didn't want to only give you half an answer.

So, it looks like you should be able to get that wire at two places.

You can try in the drivers kick, should be a red one. You won't find a connector, you'll have to dig in that "14A005" Harness.

Also, in the trunk on the left side, is the Power luggage module. Red wire there too, Grey 17 pin, Pin 8.

Now, this wire is a (+) signal though, so you'll have to use a relay to change it. I'm assuming your start's is a negative. I didn't check.

Use your meter to check. Red probe to suspect wire, black probe to ground. Correct wire will show +12V when trunk release button is pressed.



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So I don't need to do the 5 wire as shown on bulldogs site. Also I found a red wire that blips a positive when i push the trunk release but does nothing when I press it to close




Posted By: mscguy
Date Posted: February 26, 2016 at 7:29 PM
Since that RED wire is going into a module, it's probably resting at ground. Do a 5 wire.

Where are you testing the wire at? How long is the "Blip"? 1 second? .5 second? It doesn't take long to trigger a solenoid, so even though you hold the button down, the module probably only outputs for less than a second.




Posted By: jcharley
Date Posted: February 27, 2016 at 3:38 AM
It was only about .5 seconds long and I treated it by simply converting the negative signal to a positive and it releases the trunk. It does not power open and close the trunk from that point but to be honest I'm happy with it as is and appreciate your help.

Thank you so much
Jeff





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