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Viper 5301 + Idatalink ADS-AL-CA on Q50

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Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: Viper 5301 + Idatalink ADS-AL-CA on Q50

Posted By: vitaliyk
Subject: Viper 5301 + Idatalink ADS-AL-CA on Q50
Date Posted: October 14, 2016 at 11:33 AM

I have 2015 Infiniti Q50 3.7L and I'm going to install remote starter
(with or w/o alarm). The bypass modul will be Idatalink ADS-AL-CA.
Any sugestions about remote to use with this? Did anybody do such installation? The step-by-step instryction with pictures is the best.



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Posted By: Mark Mizenko
Date Posted: October 18, 2016 at 8:38 PM
All connections are at the BCM except the parking lights at the fuse box. Be sure to use diodes on your neg. starter and ignition.




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: October 23, 2016 at 1:43 PM
Finally bought the set of remote + bypass. I'm going to install it on my Infiniti Q50 2015. Did anybody do such installation? Would appreciate for wiring description and pictures.




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: October 23, 2016 at 3:31 PM
Correction. On the box is written Viper 5301 but the main module is 4X04.




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: October 30, 2016 at 5:52 PM
Did anybody install remote in Q50? I was looking for place where main module could be safely placed. Did not find any. I removed glove box and did non find enough space even there. Any idea where I can hide it? The dimensions of module are 100x130x30mm.

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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: howie ll
Date Posted: October 30, 2016 at 7:00 PM
Pop the guage cluster often room behind there or the centre console. Double sided tape and zip ties are your friend.


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Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: October 31, 2016 at 5:11 AM
howie ll wrote:

Pop the guage cluster often room behind there or the centre console. Double sided tape and zip ties are your friend.


BCS locaded at the front of passanger side. I don't think it is a great idea to run bunch of wires all way from left side to the right.


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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 01, 2016 at 8:23 AM
What wiring should I make between Viper remote and Idatalink ADS (DBI mode) if data cable is in use?

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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 01, 2016 at 6:16 PM
If you are going D2D between the Viper and the ADS AL-CA, here are some thoughts :
1. Ensure the ADS AL-CA is flashed with the DBI-AL(DL)-NI3 flavor of firmware.
2. Set the ADS AL-CA Installation Mode to Data ( one blink ) and lock it in prior to vehicle programming.
3. Follow the Type 4 install diagram. All of the dashed Red lines are handled via the DBI D2D harness. The solid
    Black lines must be hard wired. There is only one wire, the Pink Ignition wire that connects between the two
    modules and is hardwired. There are only 4 wires from the ADS AL-CA connected to the Q50.
4. Not sure if Viper DBI is 100% now ( I use very few DEI products ) but in the past DBI D2D had issues with Tach
    and the Brake signals. You could hard wire those signals between the ADS AL-CA and the Viper if you have problems.

Number 3 is the most important. Follow the Type 4 install diagram, exactly. Use 1N4001 diodes on all the (-) ignition
type outputs from the Viper to the Q50's BCM. Cut the thick Pink (+) Ignition wire and solder on a piece of 18 gauge
wire for the run to and connection at the BCM.

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Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 01, 2016 at 6:45 PM
Thanks for the answer.
I did it all. The ADS was programmed as DBI. I guess.
Could it be mistake in ADS wiring diagram? it is about ACC+ goes to pin 66 of BCS which is blower control input. I made ACC2+ goes to pin 113 as it is made in fortin. First of all the doors lock/unlock does not work. Output from Viper is working. After pushing start button I see short negative pulls on PTS then ACC up, IGN+ up ACC down. All this time GREEN LED on ADS is flashing. Then I hear starter relay in Viper clicks and LED on ADS became solid RED. It cycles 3 times before remote gives up. Incorrect key ID is shown on the screen. I checked ADS outputs. Door/hood/trunk status can be seen on its ADS outputs. Brake status does not change.
In the Viper 5301-2LE the main module is 4204. Can it be issue if ADS programmed for 5301?
Is it possible to change ADS mode from D2D to W2W? It says it can be done only after factory reset.

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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: kreg357
Date Posted: November 01, 2016 at 7:47 PM

I would follow the iDatalink install guide for all wiring.  The Fortin guide is for their bypass module.  Don't try to combine the two.

You can do a Factory Reset on the bypass module without losing the NI3 flash.  Next set the Installation Mode and then program to the vehicle.  Are you sure the bypass module has the DBI flavor of firmware?



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Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 01, 2016 at 9:17 PM
Would you please comment ACC+ wiring and red light on ADS?

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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 07, 2016 at 11:03 AM
What does it mean "KEYS REQUIRED FOR PROGRAMMING 1"? "KEYS REQUIRED FOR INSTALLATION 0"?


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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: smokeman1
Date Posted: November 07, 2016 at 2:18 PM
WOW!!! I would recommend taking this project to a pro.

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Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 13, 2016 at 8:30 AM
Any useful information?
I'm not a pro with remotes required bypass but I definitely can do proper wiring. If I ask questions here I count on help from pro and from non-pro. We all do something for the first time. Besides I just like to do such staff by myself.



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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 13, 2016 at 9:02 AM
Any help?

Here is what I have:
ADS-AL-CA programmed with DBI-AL(DL)-NI3-EN for Q50 and 5301
Here is info from the screen I received from seller.
Device type: Remote Starter
Make and model: Viper - 5301 Responder LE
Installation mode: DBI
Firmware: DL-NI3

Remote starter system 5301-2LE (4204 main module)
Connected according to diagram #4. I just moved few wires to J/B M133 connector as I'm going to place it behind the wheel.
INSTALLATION MODE SELECTION: Set ADS to data mode.
MODULE PROGRAMMING PROCEDURE success.

Doors lock/unlock does not work. Light flashes and I see pulses on remote outputs but locks do not react.
When push start button the ignition turns on, LED on bypass is flashing green. Then at the moment Viper activate start outputs the LED turns to solid RED. After few second system turns OFF. It repeats this 3 times. After 3-d time it goes off permanently with alarm on remote fob and "incorrect key ID" on the screen.
What did I miss?
Could it be because the bypass programmed for 5301 but actual module is 4204? Which model should be picked from ADS programming menu if 4204 is not listed? Use "Others"?
Would really appreciate real help.


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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 13, 2016 at 8:11 PM
Looks like Idatalink read this thread as they posted updated wiring diagram with accessory relay control connected. I wonder this this the only mistake they made as I still cannot make it work.

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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 26, 2016 at 6:42 AM
Are any professionals here to help me with this issue?
I reconnect for W2W, switch ADS to hardwire mode. Nothing is changed.
After 3 times it rties to start is says "Incorrect key ID". Looks like anything controlled over CAN is not working.
Please help.

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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: November 29, 2016 at 5:04 AM
Anyone? Any suggestions? What did I miss?
I would newer believe nobody installed such combination. Is all information is top secret? Then please answer in PM.


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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L




Posted By: vitaliyk
Date Posted: July 04, 2017 at 10:28 AM
Here is the update.
Idatalink released new firmware wich solved "Incorrect key ID" issue. Now everything is fine exept take over procedure.

After “start” button is pressed on Viper’s remote the GREEN LED on ADS module blinks slow twice then RED LED during the crank and back to series of two green blinks.
The GREEN LED continues slow blink 2x..2x..2x.. until door unlock( not opened yet)
As door is unlocked the GREEN LED starts flashing rapidly (like tachometer signal)
After door opened and closed no any visible actions. Orange LED on PTS button is OFF.
As brake pedal is pressed the Orange LED on PTS button switched to ON, “flat tire” alarm appears for couple of seconds.
Takeover procedure goes normal after this. LED on ADS module turn to OFF.
In Doc. No.:32193, page 26 step 3 “Wait for the ORANGE LED indicator of the push button to turn on.”
It never goes on unless brake pedal or PTS is pressed.

“Failure to follow procedure may result in vehicle displaying CHECK ENGINE or TIRE PRESSURE error messages.”
“TIRE PRESSURE error messages” I have every time I press the brake pedal or PTS after remote start as step 3 cannot be completed.
Any ideas what can be done to solve this issue?


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2015 Infiniti Q50 Limited Edition 3.7L





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