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Hi there everybody this is my first post here so please be easy on me lol I am in the UK and have a 2017 Ford Transit custom I dont think you get this model in the US but you do get the smaller transit connect and the larger transit vans. I am looking to fit a Viper 3305v alarm system in my van. So the question is do the data sheets that you can download from Bulldog security have the same colours and pin out at the BCM as the European supplied vehicles ?

Thanks

Do you have a multimeter? Does Bulldog give you plug colors and pin locations? Are yours the same plug colors and have same color wires in same locations?

Hi there yes I have a fluke meter so that side of things are covered I have not looked at the wiring yet as I purchased a new 2017 van which has to be exchanged as ive been sold a lemon but as soon as I get the new van I want to jump on it and get the viper installed Bulldod does give pin number/colour and plug number in there tech sheets so i guess i need to get familiar with the BCM

well I have just found a upload from howie II here for a ford Transit and by looking at the details in his upload and the bulldog security tech sheet it looks like the colours are the same so when the new van gets here will start the alarm install.

Hi there guys i have the above vehicle that has a factory alarm fitted the van also has electric windows remote lock/unlock these vans here in the UK are very easy to get into to either steal the contents or be driven away. So Im looking at fitting a Viper 3305v along with a Field Disturbance Sensor/Programmable Voice System and a Digital Tilt Motion Sensor I would like to retain all the factory Convenience features the van has but would also like to roll the windows up on arming the alarm. I have been reading some great post here @ the12volt.com and have seen these alarms can be a minefield with all the different interfaces required for different options for specific vehicles. As you would has guessed this van has can bus so do i need a interface for the alarm installation and would this need to be programmed for my vehicle?

Thanks

i looked up a ford transit van on directects and changed it to Europe and here is what i got (it is different than the usa one)-

12 volts blue/red
starter blue/thite
ignition brown/yellow
all at igniton switch

power lock grey/yellow
power unlock violet/green
@ bcm brown plug

parking lights + green/orange violet/green brown/yellow white/orange
@bcm brown plug hook up all them

door trigger(s) -n.c. green/violet white green yellow
@bcm brown plug
trunk /hatch pin -n.c. brown/violet
same brown plug @bcm
hood pin -n.c. white/brown
same harness

horn trigger blue/white
@horn switch or fuse box blue harness

hope this helps!!

Yes that is a great help will I need to install a bypass module on this install as I believe my van has a factory fitted immobiliser

No you won't only need to by-pass the immobiliser if you're installing a remote start. you'll need a DB-All2 or 3 to complete the install, go off the CAN system but good luck there. Last Ford I had to hardwire.

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Thanks howie I off to Florida in the Morning for 3 week I will pick up all the alarm stuff that I have had sent to a family member that lives there then the fun will start

I see that the DB-All2 needs to be flashed to suit my vehicle will this have to be done by a UK dealer or can a US dealer do this for my UK vehicle ?

Either, they all have access to all the software. I have access, times I've had to change to Euro or US, use later software etc. One question, is this a US or UK vehicle and you don't have to worry in either case about matching keys it's only an alarm.
Note the wiring on the UK version changed on the 2016 and later.

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Howie I have just been looking at the other transit post you have put a lot of time into you sure know your alarms. This is a UK 2017 Transit custom I have its a Euro 6 model so does that change what I may have to do to get this alarm up and running ?

I think this might do it but NOT SURE.
https://directechs.blob.core.windows.net/documents/dball2-ford13_en_ig_pga20161229.pdf.
The software is the same for both DB-ALL 2 & 3.
You're on your own with this one.

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Thanks for the tech sheet info Howie Im now back from Florida having survived Hurricane Irma with all my equipment. i have also been told im getting my van replaced by Ford so thats good news I do have a question for you and that is when the installers in the US are talking about the parking lights connection (White wire on primary harness) do we here in the UK connect this to our turn signal ?

Yes, we use direction indicators. North America is the only place that uses parking lights, everywhere else, indicators.

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Thanks howie I have just had the wiring out looking at it along with the DB All just to get my head around it all before I start the install. But I noticed I have a DB3 All does that differ in anyway ? and is the wiring diagram in the tech sheet link you posted stay the same as I see some of the ports and the setup light are in different positionson the DB3.

Thanks

Whoever sold you the DB3 should have flashed it for your vehicle and given you an install sheet.

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Try this also I think where it refers to lights are the indicators:-
https://directechs.blob.core.windows.net/ddt/403-FORD13-1.02-ORI_2016-Transit_IG_EN_20170324.pdf

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Cheers Howie it did get flashed for my vehicle but I never got the data sheet for it so many thanks for that purchased online ebay store bigjeffsecurityonline

Howie I have been doing lots of reading and gaining plenty of knowledge here at the 12 volt I do have a question for you and that is I've seen it mentioned plenty of times about downloading you vehicles install sheet from DEI do you need to be a trade registered person to access these ? Thanks

Yes but the link I gave you yesterday gives you all the info.

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Yeah I'm happy with that I have just been reading the post that you was trying to help a guy fitting a viper on a 2010 Elantra 22 pages long I must say you are a very patient Man did he get it working ? I gave up after reading up to page 10

I think I wanted to strangle him! Now 71, more or less retired and life's too short!

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im just doing more reading and making more notes just looking at the main unit on the 3305v I see there is a starter interrupt relay all wired up ready to recieve a + 12v (yellow wire) while the key is in the the run and crank positions and the other side of the coil gets a GWA signal so does this mean the Green and black relay wires sits at a NO position and NC whilst cranking and running ?

And on a side Note Howie did you know a guy called Laurie peach (LAP Motors) from Barnet ?

I can see that I have got my NO and NC reversed but im not able to edit just due to low post count But is this a feature that is done much with the alarm installation ?

Read the instructions you can wire them NC or NO connecting the yellow to ignition is mandatory.
Without looking doesn't the DB-ALL have an ignition output?
No sir although I'm next door in B/hamwood!

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I always connect, too many ways to enter a Trannie and start it via the OBD.

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howie ll wrote:

Read the instructions you can wire them NC or NO connecting the yellow to ignition is mandatory.
Without looking doesn't the DB-ALL have an ignition output?
No sir although I'm next door in B/hamwood!

He had LAP Motors in B/hamwood just by the railway station it was a Ford dealers i thought you may have know him through your work I was born in Barnet myself and spent most of my life there thanks for the reply

just looking at wiring diagram and yes the DB3 does have a ignition output does this mean it will kill the starter when armed ? as this is just my second dabble with a car alarm it hard to grasp all of it at once and know what the DB3 will do to help make the install eaiser and what parts of the install it takes care of.The ignition output of the DB3 +yellow 14pin- pin7 looks to connect to DB3 10 pin-pin9 +pink ignition input and the ignition switch black 7pin pin1 it also goes up to the R/S + ignition output ? I believe I ignore this as I dont have a R/S ?

Yes, yellow to pink/white to IGN at switch or on fuse/relay module or on 17, remove r/hand end cap, prise and 1 X T20 torx you'll see a black plug, yellow/white.

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I have just been looking at the DB3 all installation notes Howie am I right in thinking because I dont have a remote starter i dont need to use the H3 10 pin black connector pins 1,2,9 and 10 say remote starter

Tell me what they're connected to and you'll get an answer!

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Pin 1 Green - lock input
Pin 2 Blue - lock unlock input
Pin 9 Pink + ignition input
Pin 10 Blue/White -GWR status input

You need all bar 10 if alarm only.

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Howie on my van I have had the drivers side lower dash and end panel off and there is a fusebox and what looks like the BCM and also there is the OBD port there. So my question is is this the fusebox that is mentioned in the DB3 installation diagram ? The only reason I question this is because on my last Transit a MK7 there where several fuseboxes and a hidden one behind the glovebox
Thanks

Yes.

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So I believe im just about on top of this but there are a few connections im not sure about as this is just a alarm install and no R/S seeing the wiring diagram with all the R/S just makes it a little confusing so here are the wires

DB3

Red plug pin 3 Green/White - Door/trunk status output
Red plug pin 6 Gray + Brake output
Red plug pin 5 Violet/White 1 (AC) tach output
Red plug pin 12 Blue/Red - Hood status output

Thanks

Connect all but tach, starter and ACC outputs, if there's a black/white anywhere don't connect. Everything else connect.

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Thanks for you help Howie so when you say connect all the pin 3 Green/White is a output does this go to the green on the 3305v - door input and as for the pin 6 brake + output I cant see what tht would connec to as the diagram shows it going up to the remote starter module ? then there is the pin 12 - hood status output does this go to the 3305v blue - instant triger input ? and the only black/White I have is the one on the 3305v that is the (-) 200 mA Domelight Supervision Output so im not to use this wire ?

Yes pin 3 to door input green.
Don't bother with brake output.
Pin 12 hood status, isn't there a grey hood pin input on the 3305? If so that not the blue.
Forget or don't bother with the black/white.

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There is no grey hood input on the 3305 does this mean the pin12 not required ?

Yes, connect to blue.

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Not needed:-
ACC
Starter from alarm They aren't there anyway!
RAP cut not needed.
Key sense not needed.
TX and RX not needed at PATS (doubt there's one anyway on UK vehicles).

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I have the 3305v on the bench with a battery connected to it the brain is arming and disarming is there any reason why I have now GWA output ?

Do you mean NO GWA? And please, if you aren't using it, stop worrying, just get on with it.
The more questions you ask the more I wonder how long this saga will continue.

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Yes I do mean no gwa but I will need it for the starter kill relay which you have already said will be a good idea on a transit custom.Also I have a 507 tilt sensor along with the viper illuminated window sticker that both need gwa. so the the question was to establish why I have no gwa.

Program white/blue to give GWA.
This will be enough to run the immobiliser relay.
Direct ground on the tilt sensor.
Don't bother with the window sticker, lasts about 1 winter.
When you say no GWA is the control centre blue light flashing or constant?
OR exchange the unit.

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Hi there mgoetz do you have the directed link to that page please ? As I have had to wait a painful 11 months ford Ford to exchange my van now I have the new one it’s time for the install 1 thing has changed and that is the alarm being fitted now is a viper 3606v Thanks.