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Hello all. I am installing a viper 4806V remote starter and a flashlogic flcan module in my 09 VW jetta. I have done two other remote starts without a problem but they where a different brand so the viper and module is a little new to me. When I try to change the settings to use the tachometer or any other function, my changes don't stay. Here is what I'm doing to program. Turn key on then off, hold down valet button until it flashes 3 times (menu 3). Let off the button. Press it twice for the second option. Press and hold, push the lock button until I get 4 flashes (my horn isn't hooked up so I watch for flashes). Let off the valet button. Turn the ignition on then off. If I go back into the process to check I still only have 2 flashes for this menu . I should now have 4. Any suggestions?

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I'm sure someone here can help with programming a Viper via the remotes. But, having just finished a Viper 4105V install, I can reaffirm my decision to buy a BitWriter. It makes life so simple. posted_image

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Soldering is fun!

I kinda hate to spend the money for a one time use. Might not have a choice though. I didn't have a problem with the other ones I did so I'm thinking its either defective or I'm doing something wrong on this one. I saw a DEI 998T for close to $100. You think that one would work? There was a newer version BitWriter 2 but that was over $200.

You should be able to get a 998T NIB for around $70. Programming with the remotes is possible but timing and patience are necessary.

While very slight, there is a possibility that the Viper is locked and you won't be able to change settings unless you have a
BitWriter to unlock it. Were you able to change any settings? If yes, then it isn't locked.

I changed Engine Checking to Tach, Horn Function = 20 mSec, Remote Start Run Time to 16 minutes and Activation Pulse Count = 2 on
both remotes is less than 2 minutes. Can't imagine how long it would have taken me using the remotes.

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Soldering is fun!

The procedure as above is incorrect.
Ign on then off with door open, hold valet button until you get 3 flashes.
Press twice then push button until you get two chirps. Or light flashes*
Now RELEASE Valet button. THEN press lock 3 times.
* No siren? Spend $3on a piezo buzzer from R/Shack etc. or a test light brown to probe, clip end to ground.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Thanks for the info guys. Still having no luck. I might just buy a bitwriter and sell it when I am done. I tried the procedure that way howie II and still had no luck. The manual I found at https://www.directeddealers.com/manuals/IG/Viper/N4X06%202015-12%20web.pdf shows the way I was doing it. I had hoped maybe it had a typo.

After you get three chirps/lights meaning you're in menu 3, press twice then release button and push and hold until you get two chirps.

Release then use your remote 3 X lock or 1 X unlock.
Note THREE times on the remote NOT 4. Press 4 and you're back to where you started!

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
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Not having any luck. Maybe its changing and I don't realize it. I have a manual trans. so I have to do the procedure so it will work. The remote start wont take over. I went back and checked for the error. 3 flashes, meaning low or no tach signal. I checked the tach wire and I'm getting 9 volts ac (changes with acceleration). I also tried to change the setting to auto. trans just to see if I could get it to work. No luck. Still same error (low or no tach signal).

when you program the tach on viper it will switch the brain from virtual tach to the standard hard wire tach/data from module. Start the car, let it run for about 10 seconds, push and hold the programing button, light will dome on and parking lights will flash one. If it doesn't you don't have the right tach wire

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33 years as a installer now just a retired old guy. Favorite thing to install/topic are remote starts/car alarms. Stop using test lights!!!

X 2 with mgoetz74.

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I'm gonna go back and check all my wiring. I found a video on this model and realized I didn't hook up the orange accessory wire.

Won't make any difference.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
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Check to see if there are two starter wires at the ignition switch. And BTW, do tach learn as soon as it's wired up.

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Hello again. Sorry been sick and busy with Christmas. From all my research there is only suppose to be one starter wire. I hooked up all the wires underneath and the ignition switch takes a lot of work to access so I didnt physically check. I did do a tach learn. I have acquired a bitwriter. Its now setup for a manual trans and tach. I sill cant do a remote start takeover. The error is 8 flashes. Neutral safety shutdown. Not really sure what to check on this. I assume I need to ground a wire but cant find info on it. One other thing. I have the, ground when running, wire hooked to the door lock module and to a relay for the clutch bypass. Does that need diode isolated or does it matter?

Black/white wire on 24 pin plug to ground or to parking brake switch if manual.
Why in heaven's name do you have the GWR wire hooked to the door lock module?

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Thanks. I have verified I have ground on the black/white wire when the e-brake is engaged. I also verified the toggle switch is on for the remote start. I was researching last night and one person contacted viper with the same issue and was told there where several defective brains that had the same problem. I am not sure they where the same model # but I am leaning toward that unless you have an idea on what else it could be. The GRW is supposed to be hooked up to the module per the flashlogic install guide.

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You wrote door lock module that's why I questioned it, also you should have 2 status or GWR wires, the dark blue and a blue/white so the diode isn't needed.

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I was actually going to use the blue/white for the rear defroster. I will plan to use the dark blue and diode isolate for my GWR. I was a little confused on that. I was tossing around the idea of using the blue/white wire for the rear defroster and heated seats. The defroster is a +latched. If I understand correctly I will need to switch polarity with a relay and will have + 12v for the preset time to power the rear defroster when the temp is below 55 deg. My thinking is that I can also use this relay to power the heated seats at the same time. Does that sound correct?

Yes.

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I purchased a new viper brain to test my defect theory. Apparently that's not it. Same 8 flashes. I put the old one back in. I set it up for auto trans and still get the neutral safety error. I even tried to hard wire it to ground. My thought at this point is maybe something is hooked up wrong with the flashlogic module. I am thinking about taking it out completely for testing purposes. Get it down to the basic wiring. I know from experience a VW can do some strange things when something isn't hooked up properly (fixed a bad radio install once). Any other suggestions?

Is this an auto? If so ground the ebrake status wire, if manual connect ebrake switch.
On Euro GM, d-ALL wouldn't recognise brake via data.

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It's a manual. I will try to wire it direct to the ebrake. It's a flashlogic flcan btw. Thanks.

You missed the point these modules are similar and they DON'T always do what it says on the label, just ground that wire for now.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
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No I understand. I already tried to put it in auto trans. mode and ground the wire for diagnosis. I will try in manual mode again when I get home.

Are you setting it up via manual transmission reservation and by the way, you can test that ebrake lead black/white at the R/Start it should go to ground with ignition and ebrake on.

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Finally got it working. I had the ignition wire hooked up wrong (no power while cranking). Thanks for all the assistance Howie. Everything seems to be working properly now.

Thought I had it working. The alarm goes off when I remote start. The only way to cancel the alarm is to hit the remote start button and then unlock. If I dont cut off the remote start the alarm doesn't respond to the unlock button on the keyfob. Any suggestions?

I figured it out. I had to change the setting, ign-controlled locks to option 2, lock and unlock. I believe I had to do this with my 02 Jetta as well. I couldn't remember what I did is why I asked. posted_image

I spoke to soon. Sometimes the alarm still goes off with remote start activation. Not always. Come to think of it my 02 jetta does the same thing. I can click unlock first and then remote start and the alarm wont go off. That works but would prefer to get it to work properly. Any suggestions?

Hardwire the factory alarm disarm wire.

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My ex once told me I have a perfect face for radio.

Thanks, that makes sense. The arm/ disarm is the same wire with a resistor. If I just hook up the disarm wire with the proper resistor I don't need a relay do I?

4806
Menu 3
Item 16 Remote start SAFE LOCK
Option 1 ON

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

It'll probably work fine without a relay. I've read sometimes the output transistor can throw off the value too much, but if that happens you can use a relay.

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My ex once told me I have a perfect face for radio.

Forget it and do what I said.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

Thanks, that was much easier. I think it worked posted_image

Is there a way to fix the same problem on a Megalarm MEGA2400? Thats whats in my other VW Jetta.

Only if you show the install sheet or programming.

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Amateurs assume, don't test and have problems; pros test first. I am not a free install service.
Read the installation manual, do a search here or online for your vehicle wiring before posting.

I think I figured it out. There is a wire that needs to be programmed to disarm the factory alarm. It gets hooked to the unlock wire and sends a negative signal when the remote start is activated. I don't remember programing it so I'm guessing I probably didn't hook it up. :).