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Installing 3305v in 2005 F-250 Diesel

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=144593
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Topic: Installing 3305v in 2005 F-250 Diesel

Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Subject: Installing 3305v in 2005 F-250 Diesel
Date Posted: July 13, 2018 at 8:20 AM

I've had enough of my Matrix alarm not working. I'm just going to replace it with a 3305V alarm. How hard is this install? I have never installed an alarm, but I am mechanically inclined. I'm worried about frying something, but I'm short on money to have this professionally done. I didn't really expect my original DEI alarm to crap out.



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Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 13, 2018 at 8:31 AM
Have a look at this: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=133810

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 13, 2018 at 8:56 AM
Good info!

One thing that worries me is the manual that states:

[quote]
H1/1 ORANGE (-) ground-when-armed output
This wire supplies a (-) ground as long as the system is armed. This output ceases as soon as the
system is disarmed. The orange wire is pre-wired to control the 8618 starter kill relay. It can supply
up to 500 mA of current.[/quote]

My current Matrix 10.5x alarm has no such relay. It must all be onboard somehow. So, I'm not sure if this relay is provided, how it hooks up, or anything like that. This part is what makes me nervous.



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 13, 2018 at 9:01 AM
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https://www.the12volt.com/relays/relaydiagram10.html

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 13, 2018 at 11:17 AM
1.) Any idea why a 5305 alarm would be priced cheaper than a 3305 alarm on ebay in general?

2.) Are ALL 3305 alarms exactly the same (viper, avital, python)?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 13, 2018 at 11:53 AM
It's been about 28 years since I sold any DEI products, so I really can't answer either one of those questions, but I'm sure some of our other members can.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 10:39 AM
OK, I've looked at the pictorial, and honestly, it's not that helpful. I have a 2005 Diesel Super Duty. Anyway, the 3305 alarm has 3 wire unlock harness and I'm not sure if its even used and if it is, where the wires go.

Green
(-) Lock, (+) Unlock Output
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Empty
Unless Using 451m
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Blue
(-) Unlock, (+) Lock Output

Not sure where to hook these up.



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 11:13 AM
The pictorial is very helpful. Your vehicle has type C (5 Wire Alternating 12 Volts Positive) door locks. See the fourth and fifth image in the pictorial.
You can wire 2 relays as shown below or a 451M module (which is 2 prewired relays).

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https://www.the12volt.com/doorlocks/multiple-wire-car-door-locks.asp#5w



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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 11:38 AM
How in the world did the installers put my current matrix 10.5x without all of these relays?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 11:43 AM
Many alarms have built in relays.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 11:51 AM
Ah...I see.



Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 12:04 PM
So those two relays require me to CUT the lock wires? How will this install impact the factory keyless with progressive unlock? Will that all be disabled?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 12:08 PM
Yes, you will have to cut those two wires. No, it will not have any impact on your factory keyless entry, and no, it will not be disabled.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 2:11 PM
Not that I want to dive into it, but I see I can set up 'second unlock'. How would one go about doing that with the 3305 and a 5 wire system like on this truck?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 2:51 PM
You would wire the first unlock output to another SPDT relay connected only to the driver's door lock actuator, then the second as described above for all doors to unlock.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 3:05 PM
Ah...OK. That's what I was thinking. How do I find these wires? I have a factory keyless sytem, so my lock system is in fact type B.

NOTE #3: Vehicles WITHOUT a FACTORY KEYLESS Entry Remote Control are a TYPE "C" Door Locking System. Vehicles WITH a FACTORY KEYLESS Entry Remote Control are a TYPE "B" Door Locking System and the LOCK wire is a WHITE/RED (TYPE B) and the UNLOCK is a BLACK/WHITE TYPE B), BOTH are located in the Drivers Kick Panel, at the Door Harness.

But there are only two wires listed here....what are the colors for all additional doors?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 3:11 PM
You will only need those two wires to lock and unlock all doors. If you want to do priority unlock, you'll still need those two plus the unlock lead of the actuator in the driver's door.

All of this should be covered in your installation manual.

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Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 3:13 PM
BTW, please make sure you are verifying every wire with your meter before you make any connections.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 3:14 PM
Yeah, I'm thinking its going to be well worth the couple hundred bucks to have someone else do this while I wait. I can certainly do it, but I don't know how long it will take. LOL.



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 19, 2018 at 3:25 PM
Agdodge4x4 wrote:
...I have a factory keyless sytem, so my lock system is in fact type B.

NOTE #3: Vehicles WITHOUT a FACTORY KEYLESS Entry Remote Control are a TYPE "C" Door Locking System. Vehicles WITH a FACTORY KEYLESS Entry Remote Control are a TYPE "B" Door Locking System and the LOCK wire is a WHITE/RED (TYPE B) and the UNLOCK is a BLACK/WHITE TYPE B), BOTH are located in the Drivers Kick Panel, at the Door Harness....
Depending on which wires you locate in your vehicle, it will be type B or type C. Having all the necessary information from the beginning can help save a lot of time and energy.

Bringing it to a qualified installer is a good idea.

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Posted By: davep.
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 12:09 AM
Pre-Smart Junction Box Super Duties with RKE or the keypad entry are type B, (-) trigger. No additional relays are needed. The three wires for 2nd unlock are available at the GEM, VSM, or keypad module, depending on year.



Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 7:12 AM
I am trying to find the right wire colors for this for all of the doors.



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 7:22 AM
Agdodge4x4 wrote:
LOCK wire is a WHITE/RED (TYPE B) and the UNLOCK is a BLACK/WHITE TYPE B), BOTH are located in the Drivers Kick Panel, at the Door Harness.
the12volt wrote:
You will only need those two wires to lock and unlock all doors. If you want to do priority unlock, you'll still need those two plus the unlock lead of the actuator in the driver's door.

All of this should be covered in your installation manual.
Agdodge4x4 wrote:
Yeah, I'm thinking its going to be well worth the couple hundred bucks to have someone else do this while I wait. I can certainly do it, but I don't know how long it will take. LOL.
the12volt wrote:
Bringing it to a qualified installer is a good idea.


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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 7:41 AM
I was HOPING to just fix the Matrix 10.5x that's already in it. But, the unlock relay on the board has crapped out and I cannot locate a new brain of any type that will go in its place. :(

That would be ideal. The thing as it was was good. It arms and locks, and it disarms, but it does not unlock. LOL. That's the only reason I'm considering replacing.



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 7:49 AM
If the Matrix is still in your truck and you have not disconnected anything, then locate the black/white wire in the driver's kick panel and look for the alarm's unlock wire that is/was connected to it. There's a good chance it has a bad connection and just needs to be repaired/replaced. Again, having/providing the right information from the beginning would save everyone a lot of time and energy.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 7:55 AM
I was instructed on how to test the pins on the brain itself to determine if the unlock pulse was even being sent when unlocking the vehicle. I tested it with the guidance provided here and found no signal was being sent.

Is that not the correct way to check?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 8:05 AM
Without searching for the thread where you received instructions on how to test the output of the alarm and actually being there while you tested it, I can't say if the output is good or bad, or if you have a poor connection at the alarm or at the unlock wire connection in the vehicle.

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Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 8:27 AM
So I just found your 5 page thread from 2 years ago. You said "I can take a look inside and see if the solder connections are bad, but I kinda did that already and they look fine."

You can't always go by looks alone.

What happens when you apply a ground pulse to the unlock lead on the alarm harness pin? Do the doors unlock?

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 8:42 AM
Im going to check that wire anyway. I appreciate your help and advice.



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 8:49 AM
If you can easily get to the Matrix, there may be no need to check that connection. First try doing what I said in my previous post.

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Posted By: Agdodge4x4
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 8:55 AM
Sorry I missed your post. I will try it. The brain is easily accessible. I do not know how to apply a ground pulse on the unlock lead. Does this simply mean shorting the unlock pin to ground with a test lead briefly?



Posted By: the12volt
Date Posted: July 20, 2018 at 8:59 AM
Yes, unplug the harness from the alarm, then briefly apply ground to the unlock wire at the pin on the harness that connects to the alarm.

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