Viper 5806V, 2011 Ford Crown Victoria

Hi, new to this forum and over my head on trying to figure out this alarm install. Yes, I should have paid someone. No, I didn't. lesson learned.

My question is for the install of a viper 5806v on a 2011 crown vic police package. for the 24 pin harness this is what I have - I did find a diagram on bulldog security but it wasn't entirely clear regarding the parking lights (their diagram seems to indicate hooking into the parking light circuit on both sides of the switch, but the multimeter disagrees and tells me that will fry the switch).

so hopefully this is correct, or at least close, to what I should have:
24pin color    vehicle wiring color/location
1. pink/white - not used
2. blue/white - not used
3. red/white - purple/yellow (driver kick panel)
4. black/ylw - black/blue (driver kick panel)
5. dark blue - not used
6. white/black - not used
7. white/violet - not used
8. orange/black - not used
9. gray -      - hood pin (newly installed, not OEM)
10.blue -      - trunk pin (newly installed, not OEM)
11.white/blue - ? do I use this, for "remote start activation input (-)"
12.violet/white - light blue (driver side/back cylinder injector - for tach)
13.black/white - brown/black (driver kick panel)
14.green/black - not used
15.green    - dark blue (in driver door at door module)
16.brown/black - dark blue (dash at LCM)
17.pink       - not used
18.violet     - not used
19.violet/black - not used
20.brown      - green/red (driver kick panel)
21.violet/yellow - not used
22.gray/black   - not used
23.orange   - not used (but I saw an old post about using this for a relay trigger)
24.green/white - not used

so that's the current set up. There are reasons I didn't send this one to a pro, but as I said there are reasons I probably wouldn't try to DIY this again. the car's in a lot of pieces right now so taking it anywhere is not possible right at the moment. I did use a multimeter to confirm that the OEM wiring did indeed trigger when it should (ie; pin 16 is indeed the horn)

thank you, james

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2011 Crown Vic Police P7B

Hi James! Welcome to the 12 Volt Forum.

1. Pin 3 Trunk Release output is (-). The C.V.'s Purple/Yellow needs a (+) signal. Use a Relay to convert Viper output.
2. Pin 11 not used
3. Pin 15 Green - not sure about your wire. You need to monitor all four doors for the Viper alarm. Here are some other options :
Driver's Front Door Pin   BLACK\ORANGE (-)   @ DRIVER KICK - might monitor all 4 doors - test to verify or these two wires with diode ( 1N4001 ) isolation :
Left Front Door Trigger        Dk. Blue (-)    Driver Door Module, black 26 pin plug, pin 22          
Right Front Door Trigger*     Black/Orange (-)    Driver Kick, door harness --or-- Driver Door Module, gray 24 pin plug, pin 7 * this wire should monitor the rear doors, too. Test to verify

4. For the Parking Lights, set the Viper jumper/fuse to (+) and use this wire :
Parking Lights     Brown (+)    Driver Kick, harness to rear --or-- Driver Kick, gray 13 pin plug, pin 9

5. The Viper can directly support all the C.V.'s ignition wires. Just change Viper programming for the Pink/White wire to ACC and connect to ACC2 wire.

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thank you! I'm still working on the install but I appreciate your time answering my question. James


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so i've changed and corrected the items I had wrong, but not entirely sure on pin 1 the 'pink/white' wire

24pin color          vehicle wiring color/location
1. pink/white -      not sure I understand on this, but do you mean to connect to "ACC 2" in the ignition harness?
2. blue/white -      not used
3. red/white -       purple/yellow *now using relay to change - to + for trunk (driver kick panel) Thank you!
4. black/ylw -       black/blue (driver kick panel)
5. dark blue -       not used
6. white/black -     not used
7. white/violet -    not used
8. orange/black -    not used
9. gray -      -     hood pin (newly installed, not OEM)
10.blue -      -     trunk pin (newly installed, not OEM)
11.white/blue -      *not used (thank you!)
12.violet/white -    light blue (driver side/back cylinder injector - for tach)
13.black/white -     brown/black (driver kick panel)
14.green/black -     not used
15.green    -        *black/orange (driver kick panel) thank you - this one does monitor all 4 doors
16.brown/black -     dark blue (dash at LCM)
17.pink       -      not used
18.violet     -      not used
19.violet/black -    not used
20.brown      -      green/red (driver kick panel)
21.violet/yellow -   not used
22.gray/black   -    not used
23.orange   -        not used
24.green/white -     not used

and for the viper's 10 pin connector (remote start) this is what I've puzzled out. I have confirmed the vehicle's wires are activated using a DMM in the off, accessory, or run position

1 - no connection (per viper's guide)
2 - red/black    -    light green/violet
3 - pink/black   -    not used
4 - pink/white   -    not used
5 - red          -    violet/orange
6 - green      *cut   green - key side
7 - violet     *cut   green - car side
8 - orange       -    gray/yellow
9 - red/white    -    not used
10- pink        -    white/violet

how close is this to correct? I realized one of my problems is that I'm guessing too much on what the viper module is doing with these connections - it's not like other electronics I've done where I know the circuit is to activate something in particular, turn on a light, move an actuator, kill a circuit via a relay, etc.   Thank you again, hopefully I'm getting closer - as much as this is a challenge it's fascinating to get my hands in and see what the wires are doing. Plus I like that if successful the install will be nearly invisible.   On that note, other than the green wire for the starter motor everything else I've done is spliced into the vehicles wiring (soldered) so if there are any other circuits where the viper module should be in the circuit rather than spliced to monitor the circuit please let me know.

thanks, James

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2011 Crown Vic Police P7B

"so i've changed and corrected the items I had wrong, but not entirely sure on pin 1 the 'pink/white' wire

24pin color          vehicle wiring color/location
1. pink/white -      not sure I understand on this, but do you mean to connect to "ACC 2" in the ignition harness?"

The C.V.'s ACC2 wire needs a (+) input. The Pink/White wire I was referring to is the thick Pink/White wire in the Vipers' 10 Pin Harness. Same place you are getting the other ignition wires from.
The thin Pink/White wire at Pin 1 of 24 is a (-) output and not needed for your install.

The thick Red/White wire in the Viper 10 Pin Harness ( Pin 9 ) needs to get +12V constant, too. It supplies the Pink/White Flex relay output.

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1-no connection          
2-red/black     light green/violet     
3-pink/black     not used     
4-pink/white     "acc2" *

* this below diagram is up to a 2008 crown vic, but indicates the white/violet is "acc2"
https://diagrams.--/index.aspx?MakeID=18&ModelID=19647
so this pink/white pin 4 should be connected to this one? (and to double check, spliced into it - not sever the OEM circuit?)
     
5-red              violet/orange     
6-green             green *key side      note: OEM green severed
7-violet     green *key side      note: OEM green severed
8-orange     gray/yellow     
9-red/white     light green/violet     note: same wire as red for 6 pin connector
10-pink      white/violet     (see above - if this is ACC2 then it should be moved to the pink/white?)

to change Viper programming for the Pink/White wire to ACC do I need a bitwriter?

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2011 Crown Vic Police P7B

Sorry if not obvious, clarifying pin 4 and 10

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2011 Crown Vic Police P7B

Try this :

24pin color          vehicle wiring color/location
1. pink/white -      not used This is a (-) output
2. blue/white -      not used
3. red/white -       purple/yellow *now using relay to change - to + for trunk (driver kick panel) Thank you!
4. black/ylw -       black/blue (driver kick panel)
5. dark blue -       not used
6. white/black -     not used
7. white/violet -    not used
8. orange/black -    not used
9. gray -      -     hood pin (newly installed, not OEM)
10.blue -      -     trunk pin (newly installed, not OEM)
11.white/blue -      *not used (thank you!)
12.violet/white -    light blue (driver side/back cylinder injector - for tach)
13.black/white -     brown/black (driver kick panel) *
14.green/black -     not used
15.green    -        *black/orange (driver kick panel) thank you - this one does monitor all 4 doors
16.brown/black -     dark blue (dash at LCM) - optional - you have a Siren w/Viper
17.pink       -      not used
18.violet     -      not used
19.violet/black -    not used
20.brown      -      green/red (driver kick panel)
21.violet/yellow -   not used
22.gray/black   -    not used
23.orange   -        not used
24.green/white -     not used
* Pin 13 can go to Chassis Ground with Auto Trans. If you connect to Parking Brake, you must
have to Parking Brake ON to remote start the engine.

Viper 10 pin connector (remote start)

1 - no connection (per viper's guide)
2 - red/black    -   +12V Constant = Lt. Green/Violet
3 - pink/black   -    not used
4 - pink/white   -    to C.V. ACC2 = White/Violet
5 - red          -    +12V Constant = Lt. Green/Violet
6 - green      *cut   green - key side
7 - violet     *cut   green - car side
8 - orange       -    gray/yellow
9 - red/white    -    +12V Constant = Lt. Green/Violet
10- pink        -    IGN = Violet/Orange
There are multiple +12V constant wires in the ignition harness. Splitt the Viper load between them.

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You can change most Viper options using the remotes. There is a full Viper Install Guide in the Downloads section. It has the Viper Programming Tables and method to change options.

For the Flex Relay ( thick Pink/White wire ), see Memu 3, Item 6 option 2.

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I finally got to the point in this car project that I plugged in the power to the viper .. it did not go well with these connections - the engine starts up immediately without key or pressing anything on the fob and the starter continues trying to engage. I couldn't even try to reprogram the pink/white wire.

this is the current connections (that don't work)
1 - no connection (per viper's guide)
2 - red/black    -   Lt. Green/Violet
3 - pink/black   -   not used
4 - pink/white   -   White/Violet
5 - red          -   lt. Green/Violet
6 - green      *cut   green - key side
7 - violet     *cut   green - car side
8 - orange       -    gray/yellow
9 - red/white    -    Lt. Green/Violet
10- pink        -     Violet/Orange

I checked the ignition harness with my DMM to double check what the viper was getting from the car, this is what the vehicle's ignition harness is putting out at various key positions as confirmed with the DMM:
pin 2 - light green/violet - positive in all positions
pin 4 - white/violet - positive in all positions (running, ignition on/engine off, accessory)
pin 5 - light green/violet (1st) - positive in all positions
pin 6 - green / key side starter
pin 7 - green / vehicle side starter
pin 8 - gray/yellow - positive when engine running only
pin 9 - light green/violet (2nd) - positive in all positions
pin 10 - violet/orange - positive when engine running only

per the install guide the pins are supposed to get the following power:
pin 2 - fused 12 volt accessory/starter input
pin 4 - ignition 2 / - #30 common of flex relay (*to be reprogrammed per your above instructions)
pin 5 - fused 12v ignition 1 input
pin 6 - key side/starter
pin 7 - vehicle side/starter
pin 8 - accessory output
pin 9 - fused 12v input, ignition 2 - #87 n/o - flex relay input
pin 10 - ignition 1 input/output

with three of the pins (2, 5, 9) all connected to light green/violet (and two on the same lg/v, so connecting those wires from the viper) that has to be a problem (master of the obvious, I know;)). should pin 5 (fused 12v ignition 1 input) actually be on a gray/yellow wire (there are 2 gray/yellow - one is positive in all positions, one reads positive only when the engine is running)?   

any other thoughts or suggestions are welcome. I re-wired an ambulance which involved miles of wires and thought I had a clue... I apparently don't.

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2011 Crown Vic Police P7B

Not sure what is going on.   For the Viper to be outputting power constantly on it's Violet Starter wire is strange and the issue.

First let's review the Viper and its' connections.

1. The Viper has four fused Power input wires. All of these wires need to get +12V constant power. I would connect two of them to each one of the C.V's Light Green/Violet wires at the main ignition switch harness. Remember that the Viper description of these +12V supply wires in the 10 Pin harness pertains to what it supplies, not to where it should be connected.

2. Your C.V. has one Ignition wire. It is Violet/Orange. The Viper thick Pink wire is the only wire that should be connected to this wire.

3. The C.V. has two Accessory wires. One is ACC1 and is Gray/Yellow*. The ACC2 wire is White/Violet. The thick Viper Orange wire gets connected to the Gray/Yellow wire. The thick Pink/White** Viper wire goes to the White/Violet wire. Again, these are the only wires connected to the C.V.'s Accessory wires.
* Please note that there are two Gray/Yellow wires in the main ignition switch harness.
   One is ACC1 and the other is Keysense. The Keysense wire will show +12V when a
   key is inserted into the ignition switch and 0V when the key is removed/not present.
** Default Viper programming has this wire output set to IGN2. Change the Viper programming for this Flex Relay to Accessory and mentioned previously


4. The C.V.'s Dark Green Starter wire is cut. As noted, the Viper thick Violet wire goes to the vehicle side of the harness and the Viper thick Green goes to the ignition switch side of the cut wire. Again, these are the only Viper wire connection made to this vehicle wire.

As stated several times, only the thick Vipers wires in the 10 Pin harness and the fused Red Input power wire in the 6 Pin harness are connect to the C.V.'s main ignition harness. None of the thin wires in the 24 Pin harness are connected to the C.V's main ignition switch harness (even if the Viper name sounds good). These thin "ignition" wires are all (-) signals used to control relays and are never directly connected to a vehicle (+) ignition wire. Additionally, if these (-) wires were connected to a (+) vehicle ignition wire, it could damage your Viper and cause the problem you are now experiencing.

While not previously mentioned, here is the Viper 6 Pin harness connections.
1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT              to C.V. Lt Green/Violet main ignition switch harness
2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND    to rust free, clean chassis with soldered on terminal lug.
3 BROWN (+) SIREN OUTPUT     Viper siren
4 WHITE/BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION -   not used
5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT -       Brown in Driver Kick Panel
6 ORANGE (-) 500mA (GWA) GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT      not used

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thanks, just in case I have another viper 'brain' on the way but in the mean time went back over my install, particularly given the revelation that the install guide is describing what the viper is supplying on that pin (rather than as I had been viewing it, what the viper needed to connect to). this seems to have turned some of my connections against me though so I'm going to try and clarify with a new description of what I'm finding as regards the 10 pin connector

since my car is a police p7b model, it has no smart key / chipped system and only 1 ignition circuit.

for the vehicle's ignition wiring this is what I show with the DMM:
wire color: key out/key in: ACC1: Run
WHI/Vio        -     -     .....   12v   12v   
LG/V #1        12v / 12v:     12v   12v
LG/V #2        12v / 12v:     12v   12v
Gry/Ylw (thick) -   / -     .. (.9mv) 12v
Gry/Ylw (thin) -   / 12v:     12v   12v
Viol/Org        -   /(126mv) (134mv) 12v

The reason I post that after double checking is that if pin 5 (red) supplies 12v ignition 1 input, then I shouldn't have it hooked to a LG/V wire (is that correct?). It seems that it should possibly be spliced to Viol/Org as the "ignition 1" circuit (*instead of the thick pink wire, pin 10).    Unless this is not correct and pin 5 doesn't supply 12 volt it instead needs to connect to 12 volt constant (in which case LG/V would be a source of 12v constant).

I know I'm confusing this and making it worse than it needs to be ... but is it accurate to change the wiring for the 10 pin to the following:

1. no connection
2. red/black - ?   (per the install, this supplies 12v accessory/starter input
3. not used (flex relay input)
4. pink/white - white/violet (*change viper programming as per previous instruction)
5. red - ? as above, since this supplies 12v ignition input ... change to V/OG "ignition 1" circuit?
6. green - key side/starter wire
7. violet - car side/starter wire
8. orange - 'thick' GY/YLW vehicle wire (*however, my DMM shows that this wire has no 12v in the first position (ACC) for the key - only the thinner GY/YLW wire has power in that position)
9. red/white - ? supplies 12v input, ignition 2 flex relay (so if it supplies that, shouldn't be connected to the current LG/V circuit)
10. pink - supplies ignition 1 input/output ?


I'll understand if you give up on me ... i'm about to give up on myself but really want to understand this thing!   

And finally, thank you to all who sacrificed on this Memorial day - the service members, their friends, family, and our great Nation.   Thank you Grandpa



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2011 Crown Vic Police P7B

OK, let's go over the Viper 10 Pin R/S harness in detail.

Remote Start, White 10-pin heavy gauge connector
1 No Connection

2 RED/BLACK (+) FUSED 12V ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT
The above wire needs to be connected to a vehicle wire that can supply it +12V constant.
It in turn is used to supply the Vipers ACC1 and Starter wire outputs. The easy way to tell
that it is an input wire is the protective fuse it has inline.   For your C.V. application this
wire should be connected to one of the Lt. Green/Violet wires.

3 PINK/BLACK (+) IGNITION 2 pin 87a ( programmable - follows Pink/White setting )
This wire is used on very few applications. Typically on a vehicle that needs ignition
switch isolation on the Pink/White wire connection during a R/S. Your C.V. doesn't need it.
Some Nissans do.

4 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / ACCESSORY2
This wire is also known as the Flex Relay Output due to the fact that it is a programable
output that can be an IGN or ACC wire, depending on Viper programming. For your C.V.,
program the Viper Flex Relay to ACC and connect this wire to the White/Violet wire in the
C.V.'s main ignition harness.

5 RED (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 1 INPUT
This is another +12V constant fused input wire. It supplies the Vipers' Pink IGN wire
output. It needs to be connected to one of the C.V.'s Lt. Green/Violet wires.

6 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE)
This wire is used in conjunction with the Vipers Violet Starter output wire to provide
some selectable features like Starter Kill and Anti-Grind. If used, the vehicles main
Starter wire is cut and this Green wire is connected to that cut Starter wire on the side
coming from the key switch. The Vipers internal Starter relay is a basic 5-Wire SPDT
relay and this is Pin 87a. During normal vehicle operation the vehicles Starter wire
goes thru the N.C. pins on the internal Starter relay, in Pin 87a and out Pin 30, and
everything is normal. When in use, the Viper controller can energize the Starter relay,
opening the Pin 87a to Pin 30 connection, preventing a key Start signal from reaching
the vehicles Starter circuit.

7 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE)
This wire outputs a Starter signal ( +12V ) to the vehicle Starter wire to allow a R/S. It
can be used in conjunction with the Vipers Green wire to add additional features. With
your C.V. application, it is connected to the Dark Green wire at the main ignition switch
harness ( if using the Green wire, this Violet wire gets connected to the vehicle/starter
side of the cut vehicle Starter wire ).
   
8 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT
This is a Viper output wire that supplies the ACC1 vehicle circuit. For your C.V. application
connect this wire to the C.V. thick Gray/Yellow wire.
    
9 RED/WHITE (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 2
This is another +12V constant fused input wire. It supplies the Vipers' Pink/White flex
relay wire output. It needs to be connected to one of the C.V.'s Lt. Green/Violet wires.

10 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT
This is another deceptive wire due to it's Viper description. Basically is it an output
wire that is connected to the vehicles IGN1 wire. It has a double function as an input
wire that the Viper monitors for theft purposes and possibly Tach programming. I.E. if
this wire goes to +12V while the Viper alarm is armed, the Viper will energize the Starter
Kill relay ( if programed and the Green wire is in use ) and turn on the siren. This Viper
wire gets connected to the C.V's Violet/Orange Ignition1 wire.


The Vipers R/S circuits are just 4 internal relays, Starter, IGN1, ACC1, Flex. Their Pin 30
outputs are Violet, Pink, Orange and Pink/White, respectively. The Pin 87 supply for these
Viper outputs are Red/Black, Red, Red/Black and Red/White, respectively. As you can see
the Red/Black +12V input wire supplies both the Starter and the ACC1 outputs but not to
worry. This circuit will not get overloaded due to the fact that ACC drops to 0V while the
Starter circuit goes to +12V ( during cranking ) just like the vehicle circuits work. Also
notice that any Viper Red or Red/xxx wire with an inline fuse gets connected to a proper
+12V constant source.

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I installed the new brain, still had the seal strip over the 6 pin terminal and looks new. The blue LED is constant on, which seems to mean it’s in valet mode (?).   

Since it’s new I don’t have any remotes paired to it yet. I tried to cancel valet mode using the ignition on/door open and press the control button but doesn’t work.   I’ll be doing more research

At least it isn’t running immediately and still trying to start … but right now it doesn’t do anything except display a solid blue led

I have gotten it to indicate garage mode on and off (based on the 9 short and 9 long parking light flashes) so I’m hopeful this brain is working

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Well the door open- lock/unlock/ lock didn’t do it…. Sigh

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