2007 Ford Mustang, Viper 5706V Alarm

Hi All,
I'm installing a Viper 5706V on a 2007 Mustang V6 and would like to know if I need to add a 2 ignition to my install in order to get the remote start working. The vehicle OEM wiring only has ignition 1 and the Viper remote start module has the factory menu option listed as "Ignition 2" under the Flex Relay Function. Thanks in advance!

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Rick

Your 2007 Mustang has only one Ignition wire. As such the Viper IGN2 (Pink/White) wire will be unused.

What are you using for the transponder bypass?

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I'm using the idatalink ALCA. I can hear the electronics engage but no engine crank over when I hit the remote start.

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Rick

A few thoughts...

What was the firmware flashed on to the ADS-ALCA?

Are you going D2D or W2W between the Viper and the ADS-ALCA?

Did the ADS-ALCA program as per the Programming Instructions?

It might help if you listed all the Viper connections, especially the 10 Pin Main Ignition harness ( the Red and Red/Black must be connected to +12V Constant).
Below is a Viper wire list to use.

Viper 5706

Main Harness, 6-pin connector
1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT
2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND
3 BROWN (+) SIREN OUTPUT
4 WHITE/BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay
5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT
6 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT

Door Lock, 3-pin connector
1 BLUE (-) 500mA UNLOCK OUTPUT
2 EMPTY NOT USED
3 GREEN (-) 500mA LOCK OUTPUT

Remote Start, 10-pin heavy gauge connector
1 NC No Connection
2 RED/BLACK (+) FUSED 12V ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT
3 PINK/BLACK (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY
4 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT
5 RED (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 1 INPUT
6 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
7 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)
8 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT
9 RED/WHITE (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87
10 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT

Auxiliary/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
1 PNK/WHITE (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT
2 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT
3 RED/WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT
4 BLACK/YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT
5 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT
6 WHITE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT
7 WHITE/VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT
8 ORANGE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT
9 GRAY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (NC OR NO)
10 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C OR N/O)
11 WHITE/BLUE ACTIVATION INPUT
12 VIOLET/WHITE* TACHOMETER INPUT
13 BLACK/WHITE** (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT
14 GREEN/BLACK (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT
15 GREEN* (-) DOOR INPUT
16 BROWN/BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT
17 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT
18 VIOLET* (+) DOOR INPUT
19 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT
20 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT
21 VIOLET/YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT
22 GRAY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT
23 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
24 GREEN/WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT

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What was the firmware flashed on to the ADS-ALCA?

ADS-AL(TB)-FM2 v3.22

Are you going D2D or W2W between the Viper and the ADS-ALCA?

D2D (Also noticed no led flashing during remote start)

Did the ADS-ALCA program as per the Programming Instructions?
Yes and used KLON since I only have one key

It might help if you listed all the Viper connections, especially the 10 Pin Main Ignition harness ( the Red and Red/Black must be connected to +12V Constant).
Below is a Viper wire list to use.

Viper 5706

Main Harness, 6-pin connector
1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT ==> (LIGHT GREEN/PURPLE (+)@ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS)
2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND ==> (Chassis Ground)
3 BROWN (+) SIREN OUTPUT ==> (To siren +)
4 WHITE/BROWN PARKING LIGHT ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay ==> (NC)
5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT ==>(BLACK/LIGHT GREEN (-)@ SJB, BLUE 52 Pin Plug, Pin 31 )
6 ORANGE (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT==> (NC)

Door Lock, 3-pin connector
1 BLUE (-) 500mA UNLOCK OUTPUT==> ( DARK BLUE/LIGHT GREEN (-) @ SJB, BLACK 26 Pin Plug, Pin 1)
2 EMPTY NOT USED
3 GREEN (-) 500mA LOCK OUTPUT ==>(WHITE/PURPLE (-) @ SJB, BLACK 26 pin Plug, Pin 3)

Remote Start, 10-pin heavy gauge connector
1 NC No Connection
2 RED/BLACK (+) FUSED 12V ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT ==> (LIGHT GREEN/PURPLE (+)@ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS)
3 PINK/BLACK (+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY ==>(NC)
4 PINK/WHITE (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT ==>(NC)
5 RED (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 1 INPUT ==>(LIGHT GREEN/PURPLE (+)@ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS)
6 GREEN (+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL) ==> (DARK GREEN (+) Key Side) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
7 VIOLET (+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL) ==> (DARK GREEN (+) Starter Side) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
8 ORANGE (+) ACCESSORY OUTPUT ==> (BLACK/PINK (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS )
9 RED/WHITE (+) FUSED 12V IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87 ==>(NC)
10 PINK (+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT ==> (WHITE/YELLOW (+) @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS)

Auxiliary/Shutdown/Trigger Harness, 24-pin connector
1 PNK/WHITE (-) 200mA Ignition 2/Flex OUTPUT ==>(NC)
2 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT ==>(NC)
3 RED/WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT ==>(WHITE/PURPLE (-) @ SJB, BLACK 52 Pin Plug, Pin 13)
4 BLACK/YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT==> (NC)
5 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT ==> (NC)
6 WHITE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT ==>(NC)
7 WHITE/VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT==> (NC)
8 ORANGE/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT ==>(NC)
9 GRAY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT ==>(Connected to pin switch installed at hood)
10 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT ==>(NC)
11 WHITE/BLUE ACTIVATION INPUT ==>(NC)
12 VIOLET/WHITE* TACHOMETER INPUT ==>( PINK/WHITE @ IGNITON COIL)
13 BLACK/WHITE** (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY /PARKING BRAKE INPUT ==> RED/YELLOW @ SJB, GRAY 26 Pin Plug
14 GREEN/BLACK (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT ==>(LIGHT BLUE/BLACK (-)@ SJB, BLACK 26 Pin Plug, Pin 16)
15 GREEN* (-) DOOR INPUT ==> (LIGHT GREEN/YELLOW (-) @ passenger kick panel, using dome lamp wire)
16 BROWN/BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT ==> (NC)
17 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT ==> (NC)
18 VIOLET* (+) DOOR INPUT ==> (NC)
19 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT ==> (NC)
20 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT ==>(LIGHT GREEN (+) @ Brake Pedal)
21 VIOLET/YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT ==>(NC)
22 GRAY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT ==>(NC)
23 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT ==>(NC)
24 GREEN/WHITE (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT==> (NC)

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Rick

Looks like the main issue is the firmware on the ADS-ALCA. If you want to go D2D you must use the DBI flavor of FM2 firmware. Refresh and reprogram, then see what happens.

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Thanks! I'll try that this coming weekend.

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Rick

Hi again,
Flashed module with DBI flavor of firmware but and reprogrammed successfully. Still not working though. I can hear the electronics engage but nothing cranks. I also checked the violet wire on the R/S heavy harness during remote start and it shows +12 volts but only for a couple of seconds then goes to 0.

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Rick

First thought, as not mentioned previously...

Does the Mustang have a Manual Transmission? - Clutch Bypass

It shouldn't attempt a R/S ( bring up IGN or put +12V on the Violet Starter wire ) if you are in M/T Mode or the Parking Brake isn't on...

Any Parking Light codes flashed after a failed R/S? You might have to do the "Remote Start Shutdown/Startup Diagnostics" procedure to get the error code.

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"Does the Mustang have a Manual Transmission? - Clutch Bypass"

Its an automatic and have switched the feature to automatic.

"It shouldn't attempt a R/S ( bring up IGN or put +12V on the Violet Starter wire ) if you are in M/T Mode or the Parking Brake isn't on..."

Parking brake on.

"Any Parking Light codes flashed after a failed R/S? You might have to do the "Remote Start Shutdown/Startup Diagnostics" procedure to get the error code."

None. I'm stumped.

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Rick

A few possibilities.

The easiest is to disconnect the D2D harness ( either end ), put a working ignition key into the ignition switch ( fully inserted but not turned ) and try a R/S. If this works you could omit the D2D harness and go W2W making the +12V, Chassis Ground and GWR ( Status Out ) connections directly.

Another thing to triple check is the cut Starter wire and the two ( Green & Purple ) Viper wire connections. Make sure they are not reversed. As a test you could temporarily jump the cars Starter wire together again and try a R/S.

Did you do a Tach Learn successfully? Did you manually Program the Viper to Tach Mode?

Any "Security" type lights on the instrument cluster during a R/S?

Finally, follow the Viper Install Guide directions for Shutdown Diags.
To perform shutdown diagnostics:
1. With the ignition Off, press and hold the Control button (on Control Center).
2. Turn the ignition On and then back Off while holding the Control button.
3. Release the Control button.
4. Press and release the Control button. The status LED flashes to report the last
shutdown for one minute or until the ignition is turned on, as shown in the
following table:
Status LED Flashes Shutdown Mode
1 flash Runtime expired
2 flashes Over-rev shutdown
3 flashes Low or no RPM
4 flashes Transmitter shutdown (or optional push button)
5 flashes (+) Brake shutdown
6 flashes Hood shutdown
7 flashes Timer mode/Turbo mode/Manual mode error *
8 flashes Neutral safety shutdown
9 flashes Low battery (voltage mode)
10 flashes Alarm triggered **
11 flashes Wait-to-start input timed out

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Soldering is fun!

Hi,
Thanks for all of your help thus far! I'll try those recommendations. The remotes also randomly pairing from the alarm module. Any idea why this happens?

Thanks,
Rick

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Rick

“Another thing to triple check is the cut Starter wire and the two ( Green & Purple ) Viper wire connections. Make sure they are not reversed. As a test you could temporarily jump the cars Starter wire together again and try a R/S.”

I checked again and had them reversed. R/S now working but shuts off within a few seconds sometimes. Waited and tried again and started and stayed on until manually shut it down. On virtual tach at this point. The 2 way remote also doesn't get the warning status when the alarm is going off so not sure why that doesn't communicate. I'll keep poking at it.

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Rick