Clifford Ag4
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=16443
Printed Date: July 17, 2025 at 4:01 AM
Topic: Clifford Ag4
Posted By: ex4lis
Subject: Clifford Ag4
Date Posted: July 18, 2003 at 9:35 PM
Hello all,
About 2 months ago I posted on here about installing a clifford avantguard 4 in my 2000 jeep chereokee. The problem was, I could not find anyone to install it in my area, even the sponsored ones wouldn't attempt it, i was lost!
So I found a guy throught this board under the installer database, Fred Berge. He said he could do it no problem. So I drove down to Grants Pass(2 hours awaay) and let him go at it. After about 9 hours he couldn't get the remote start working properly(it would start then cutoff in 6 seconds), the door lock relays wired correctly, and in the process of doing the windows he accidently fried the motor!
So, I live about 140 miles away from him and he said he was going to come up and fix his mistake or buy a new alarm plus fix the windows.
He was supposed to come up that next day; he never showed. So I called and his phone was disconnected....
So, I have been driving around with my alarm half wired correctly half-wired wrong. I don't know what to do :(.
No one in my area will help me, even the clifford dealers. Can anyone think of anything I can do? I don't want to ruin my factory wiring anymore then I probably have.
Please help, thx Adam
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 18, 2003 at 11:00 PM
Sounds to me like he doesn't want to fix the problem or pay for it if he's running from you or disconnected his phone. Unfortunately, installer's like him are all over the place trying to make a quick buck off people and not being responsible about warranty on installation or the product. Clifford does not warranty any of their products if it's not installed by an authorized dealer. In light of the circumstances, it seems that you may have to pay the repairs yourself for now, until you meet up with Fred again ans see if he's willing to flip for the repair bill. Do you know if he used a bypass module for the door , windows & the Sentry Immobilizer ? There's a module out on themarket that can bypass all 3 of these things with minimal wires to install and virtually anyone can program this module as well. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: xe0n
Date Posted: July 20, 2003 at 8:11 PM
Hey this is ex4lis, the server crash ruined my other account.
Fred totally skipped town to avoid paying for what he did wrong, so I'm pretty sure I'm gonna have to take the it in the rear.
My biggest problem is finding someone to fix the wiring OTHER then my dealership. See, if I have the dealership fix it, they will void my extended warranty! I want to avoid that at all costs.
As far as whether he had to use the module for multiplexed wiring, he didn't have to for a couple reasons.
1 I have reg cherokee not a grand, 2 I do not have the sentry auto-immobilzation.
Also, he was supposed to be clifford authorized. He had all the papers and everything so maybe I can get clifford to help me?
Please help, thanks, Adam
Posted By: xe0n
Date Posted: July 20, 2003 at 11:24 PM
Bump for the night....:(
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 8:11 AM
Is it the wiring that is the problem or is it the door lock/window module ?
------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: xe0n
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 6:21 PM
It is the wiring!
He incorrectly wired it and I'm still stumped on what to do.
Thanks, ADam
Posted By: rudbwoy69camaro
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 9:00 PM
HEY !!! Try this, and find that guy. Don't let him get away that easy ! https://www.anywho.com/ -------------
Posted By: xe0n
Date Posted: July 21, 2003 at 9:39 PM
Well I found a place that said they will fix it. The place is called Car tunes. Does anyone know anything about this bussiness? I defiently am wary about everything right now.
They said they will fix it for a rough estimate of $270-370 but he couldn't give me a for sure cause he hasn't seen the car yet.
Thanks, Adam
Posted By: Fullthrottle
Date Posted: July 22, 2003 at 11:12 AM
xe0n] wrote:
Well I found a place that said they will fix it. The place is called Car tunes. Does anyone know anything about this bussiness? I defiently am wary about everything right now.
They said they will fix it for a rough estimate of $270-370 but he couldn't give me a for sure cause he hasn't seen the car yet.
Thanks, Adam
Adam,
I empathize with how you feel! I also apologize for the actions of one yahoo out there that wasn't an honest technician! One bad apple sometimes mars the the skills of the whole bunch! My advice would be to check with your local Better Business Bureau to see if the shop you are having do the work is rated well and/or has complaints filed against it. Alot of the time they don't have a record but if it is a shop that has been around awhile - they should either be a member or have an extensive customer base that you can ask around about their reputation. Word of mouth is still the best form of advertising! Also ask if they are licensed and bonded - this way it covers you and them in case they do roast something (like the jerk-off that started it in the first place) Good luck to you!
Posted By: xe0n
Date Posted: July 22, 2003 at 11:58 AM
Thanks man, I appreciate it. I will be bringing my Jeep up on thursday early morning and they said it should be finished by 6 pm(when they close). They are gonna redo everything instead of just half-assing his work they said. They are authorized clifford dealers(found em from the website) and warranty all their work. I think I might have found someone that can fix it finally.
Thanks, Adam
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