Putting a Remote Start on a Manual

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Topic: Putting a Remote Start on a Manual

Posted By: PimpP495
Subject: Putting a Remote Start on a Manual
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 3:07 PM

I have a 2001 cavalier manual and I have a Viper 790 alarm, I wanted the remote start put on, but the place I had it installed wouldn't put it on because it's a manual. I have a friend with a manual and he has remote start and his car dosen't start unless the car is out of gear.... What can I do to have my remote start put on my car???????????

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 5:01 PM

Not familiar with the Viper 790XV , but most installer's ( in the US ) will not install a remote starter into a manual vehicle because of liability of damage and personal injury. If you bought the Viper from a authorized dealer, you probably will have a better chance at getting it installed through them.

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Posted By: rudbwoy69camaro
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 6:20 PM

search is good, try it. I recommend it. sometimes you'll find answers to your questions without posting.

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Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 7:45 PM

-if you know how to hook up a RS on a autotran, then there is the clutch that you need to bypass. (technically, it not the clutch that youre bypassing, its the switch you need to bypass.) hope that explain it.

-if you look behind your clutch pedal, there will be a push-switch. when you press on the pedal, the switch will complete the circuit. thus, bypass the clutch.

-how to bypass? well, use a relay and use the third ignition on your 790xv to activate it.

-manual are pretty much the same as the auto. manual are dangerous to RS when in gear. consider your options.

-good luck, have fun

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Posted By: Steveo_supremo
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 10:24 PM

You can safely hook up the remote start by using the neutral safety bypass made by Peripheral Electronics. https://https://peripheralelectronics.com/2002/security_bypasses.asp

It is at the bottom of the page. I'm pretty sure the way it works is you have to leave the car running (in neutral with the e-brake on) using the turbo timer or pit stop feature of your remote start and then shut it off using the remote start after you close the door. Otherwise the remote start won't work.

Posted By: Steveo_supremo
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 10:27 PM

Sorry, that link is https://peripheralelectronics.com/2002/security_bypasses.asp

Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: October 21, 2003 at 11:07 PM

i have a 1998 cavalier with a remote start. its the clifford matrix rs2. i have the clutch bypassed with the ebrake as a park of the toggle over-ride switch. it will not start with out the ebrake pulled, and the toggle switch still has to be in the "on" position. the only thing is, the ebrake can be pulled up only one click to complete the circuit, and thats like zero braking power. it will launch if left in gear. even with the ebrake fully pulled the car will hop. i dont want to know what would happen with a more powerful/higher torque engine.

Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: October 22, 2003 at 6:42 AM

sroth140....you used the e-brake as a safety feature, but did you also use the neutral safety wire?...or did you hook up the neutral safety wire from the alarm to the ebrake?

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Posted By: lophix
Date Posted: October 22, 2003 at 11:16 AM

most likely he didnt. Like i said most people dont know this wire exists in most cars, and dont think about it. FSMs usually have the info and it usually goes to the ecu. if the ecu can tell when you shift to reverse (reverse lights come on) then it might also be able to tell when you shift to neutral. wish this was a widely known fact. would help a lot of people in deciding whether to get one or not, especially here in kansas where it gets freaking cold in the winter!

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Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: October 22, 2003 at 9:21 PM

cpgoose wrote:

sroth140....you used the e-brake as a safety feature, but did you also use the neutral safety wire?...or did you hook up the neutral safety wire from the alarm to the ebrake?

i used the e-brake and the toggle switch. the brake has to be pulled and the switch has to be in the "on" position. that way if someone parks my car to work on it i can be sure that it wont start with the switch in the off position.

also, i think i have my (-) remote start activation wired up to my clutch bypass. i was diggin up under there at work today and i think thats what i saw going to it. its been about 2 and a years since i put it in, i dont remember a lot of it, but after you take care of the whole clutch thing its pretty straight forward from there.

Posted By: Steveo_supremo
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 8:29 AM

I don't know about other brands, but there is no neutral switch on any GM manual transmission that i have ever seen, and i work on them every day. The only switch they have is the back up light switch that closes when you put the trans in reverse.

Posted By: lophix
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 8:42 AM

well i'm not too sure about that...in my gf's camaro (5spd) the wire is obviously there (ORANGE / black) but i havent tested it yet to see if it is actually connected. I dont see any reason why they wouldn't put it on manual cars though....just doesnt make any sense why they wouldnt. :gotme:

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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 9:19 AM

Since you've had it in so long, I guess you really haven't had any problems with it, right? What happens (sort of like you said) if you leave the car in gear, but still have the e-brake pulled, and you remotely start the car? Isn't that pretty bad? (I'm new to manuals, so I'm learning :-)

Thanks.

if you leave it in gear, pray the e-brake is in good shape and is pulled all the way up. even then the engine will still drag the ass end. its not enough to kepp the car still but it wont fly off to the car in front of you or anything. if the break is barely engaged and you launch, its just like dropping the clutch. if you parked and left the car in 2nd or higher it will die faster but 1st and R will move a lot. most remote starters will attempt to engage 3 times before they shut off so be ready to hit the button again or push the brake pedal. to this day, when i start it i keep my thumb on the start button incase i see it move. i rarely start it with out the car in my sight. sometimes its easy to forget if you just whipped into a parking spot and ran in somewhere.

im not sure why but i have the (-) remote start activation input hooked up to the clutch switch. atleast i think thats the wire i saw there... but i cant remember why. im gonna take it all down this weeken and remount it, ive gotten alot better since i started. theres a 555L, 451M, shock sensor, relay pack, 3 more realys, and the brain all up there. its nasty looking.

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Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 1:07 PM

cpgoose wrote:

Since you've had it in so long, I guess you really haven't had any problems with it, right? What happens (sort of like you said) if you leave the car in gear, but still have the e-brake pulled, and you remotely start the car? Isn't that pretty bad? (I'm new to manuals, so I'm learning :-)

Thanks.
if you leave it in gear, pray the e-brake is in good shape and is pulled all the way up. even then the engine will still drag the ass end. its not enough to kepp the car still but it wont fly off to the car in front of you or anything. if the break is barely engaged and you launch, its just like dropping the clutch. if you parked and left the car in 2nd or higher it will die faster but 1st and R will move a lot. most remote starters will attempt to engage 3 times before they shut off so be ready to hit the button again or push the brake pedal. to this day, when i start it i keep my thumb on the start button incase i see it move. i rarely start it with out the car in my sight. sometimes its easy to forget if you just whipped into a parking spot and ran in somewhere.

Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 1:21 PM

I think the remote start activiation input is an optional wire that can be hooked up to an added switch or something....I think it makes it easier to get into and out of the "pit stop" feature of the remote starter.

Hmmm....how did my post get deleted, and your post went under my name? Strange things are goin' down.

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Posted By: Steveo_supremo
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 1:50 PM

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in my gf's camaro (5spd) the wire is obviously there (ORANGE / black)

The wire is obviosly where? Does it run to a switch on the side of the transmission that is only closed when it is in neutral? I seriously doubt it.

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I dont see any reason why they wouldn't put it on manual cars though....just doesnt make any sense why they wouldnt.

Actually it makes perfect sense. Why would the auto manufacturer spend the money to put a neutral switch on the transmission when they don't need to because they use a clutch safety switch instead. If it did have a neutral safety switch, you would have to have it in neutral to start it with the key. The only safe way to put remote start in a manual trans vehicle is to use a system made for a manual where you have to leave it running in neutral, set the e-brake, get out, shut the door and then turn the car off with the remote, or else it won't start with the remote.

Posted By: rudbwoy69camaro
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 7:51 PM

One of the reasons why some installers WILL NOT put the RS in your MT vehicle:

Dude, I told you NOT to leave it in gear when remote starting it....

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Liability

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Posted By: lophix
Date Posted: October 23, 2003 at 10:15 PM

umm...the question is not why installers will not put an rs your car...that is a forgone conclusion and what i am stating is that since some vehicles have neutral safety, it will be of no more a problem than installing one in an automatic as long as the neutral safety wire is used. MOST Installers refuse to recognize this and close their minds to ALL manual vehicles (just like our buddy above who went to all the trouble of finding a crashed and burning car to stress his point.) I initially had my rs installed on my car at bestbuy in houston and they did it when i pointed out that my car had the neutral safety. I still am yet to leave my car in gear and r/s it.

Obviously, there are risks where electronics are involved "both with manuals AND autos". So putting all manuals in the same boat and refusing to install in all even after the customer offers to sign a full responsibility waiver STILL does not carry much weight with me. I have a manual, WITH a remote start WHICH uses the neutral safety wire provided AND it does not start in gear. That's me along with a whole lot of other manual transmission nissan owners. My suggestion to manual owners? Research your vehicle and see if you have a neutral safety wire. If you do, use it. If you don't have one, well the rest is up to you. There are thousands of unorthodox methods out there that can be used but you have to do it yourself. Entrusting that to someone else is more of a risk to you than to them Thank goodness I reinstalled my stuff myself.

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