Remote Start keeps cranking engine

I've only installed a remote start on one car before and that was rather simple.  now I'm trying to install this cheap as hell remote start on my GF car, 87 grand am,  for christmas (will be moved to a 2003 malibu in Feb.)  my prob is that her key ignation has only 3 settings, OFF, ON(RUN), Start.  The instruction which are no help says i need to connect to one wire to start, one to On, and one to ACC.  But there is no ACC, I belive it is that setting when you put your key in and bring it down apose to up.  plus there is a wire that feeds back to the control box which is an input but i'm not sure why and have no idea where i should put either of the two wires.  The thing that worries me the most right now is that fact that i have no idea how the unit tells if the car has started.  It says if the car fails to start it will try to restart and add .5 sec to start time.  can anyone out here help me? PLEASE :) 

so confused and this is what i have to deal with:

An actuall line from a Car Alarm User's Guide:
"If anywhere of the car body is hit or beaten, the alarm would beep to horrify, to make more safety for your car."

Me good english so american no get alarm to saftety there car!

:errr:

I posted a message before about a grage-8 remote and ACC line.  well i gust didn't connect it and it started, the problem is that now after it starts it trys to restart so i thing maybe that ACC in line may be a way to tell the unit to stop strying to start, its started sucessfully.  anyone have a clue if that makes sense?

If so, what on a car is only active or high at 12V after the car has started?  exp. spark plugs, but to much voltage.

Any ideas!?!?!?!!?  ThANKS!

Hey burner.

I've got the garage 8 aswell.

I've almost finished the install apart from the extra relay and a wire. This would be the reason why the imobiliser  and remote start fetures dont work.

How did you hook up that extra relay? Which wires go to each of the terminals on the relay?

Where did you hook up the accessories off port wire to?

I'd appreciate any help from you or anybody who has had experience with this alram system.

Yodo

Hey J Rilla,

thanks for the help.  Wouldn't an 1987 car stil have a cable going to the tach?  I have a DMM so its no prob.  for the fuel injectors it that just a 12volt signal? and once that is high will it stay at 12volt (after engin has started)?
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Yodo,

I did nothing with that extra relay and it started up but wouldn't stop cranking. i was thinking that was maybe for an extra feature that isn't highlighted in that POS user manual or do think that is related to the starting?

Thanks burner.

My car used to do what your car does by keep on cranking. The feature stopped working as soon as i tried to hook up that relay. Does your shut down when you switch it to panic mode?

Mine doesnt coz i figure that with the relay needs to wired in so it can be switched when triggered so it some how imobilises the ingition sytem so the car shuts down and can not be started with out the alarm being deactivated. 

Is there anybody on this board who has succesfully installed a Garage 8 alarm and could help shed light on the matter?

yodo - how and where did that relay need to be installed to?  and what is its purpose, just to be able to deactivate the starter?

sroth - its set up to crank for Xsec and if it has not started it goes Xsec + .5sec for up to 6 times

By the looks of the schematic, the relay needs to be between the 12v+ source at the ignition.

When you tun the alarm on the, relay can switch to disconnect the 12v power so the car cant start And vice versa. The acc off port wire also goes to the relay too. This must be how the car senses when the car is on to stop it from cranking over.

I think i may have figured it out burner.

Im going to try it tomorrow and i'll post what happens.

Thanks so much yodo, 

let me know what happens, Its gotten really cold here so i'm going to wait till this weekend to try anything more, once it warms up.

I think i understand what you are getting at with that relay.  the +12V to the key ignition needs to be cut and the relay put in place of it.that way when the alarm is ingaged it opens the circuit in the rely so no 12v.  i was going to take a multi metter to thaat ACC out and see what happens when it happens.  I swear I'm going to redraw this diagram to help every ones else out once its figured out!

Well, i tried to do what i had in mind.

I guess it was a waste of time coz before ,the remote start stopped working. When i try to remote start my car, the car would go on but it wouldnt crank.

So i thought maybe if i put the relay in it might work. Wrong! Just as i thought, i think the brain maybe the reason why. So im gonna get another one as the system is under warranty.

Burner, i'll post again after i get a new brain.

yodo, do you even have a clue who makes this remote start?

Ok I'm about to just give up.  I connected that black Hi-v line to a spark plug and the car cranked stoped and didn't try to crank again.  that solved but it still didn't start.  the other odd thing is the carm seemed to run rough with that wire connected to the brain.  Anyother ideas?!?!?!  or else what brand or where can i find an inexpensive decent remote start?

Thanks All

Sorry About that last post, CRAZY isn't it

Ok, sorry but this will be a long one.  I will try to summarize the prob.

Please refer to the attachment on previous post for schematic that I may refer to.

Ok, remote start is installed except for one wire.  This wire is called, according to the manual, “Ignition Sensor” other notes around it “5-7 Circles on Hi-V loop”, “Hi-V Ignition Loop.”  “For diesel engine, Please connect this Black wire to the AC generator output (+) which recharges the battery.”  So I’m 99.9% sure this is what checks to see if the engine has started by using a High Voltage line such as an spark plug?!?!?! So I believe this is what happens based on what I have observed:
1. push start button on remote for 3 sec
2. checks to make sure brake is not applied and that hand brake isn’t high (I used a toggle switch)
3. turns on the ACC and ON relays
4. turns on the start relay, engines begins to crank for ~1sec
5. checks to see if “Ignition Sensor” is high
a. IF YES, Then engine has successfully started.
b. IF NO, Then it adds .5 sec to the crank time and begins at step 4

So this is what is now happening: I have the “Ignition Sensor” wire shoved on a spark plug wire I believe plug 1.  I’ve also tried it on plug 4.  The car begins to crank and after that initial crank it just stops, but the car hasn’t started.  It doesn’t try to restart.  So the unit must have checked that “Ignition Sensor” right after it tried to start and saw that the line was high, because the car wasn’t able to catch, you know kind of stutter, but during the start process there is still residual charge still left in the spark plug lines.  So there I don’t know what to do.  Secondly when that wire is attached to the spark plug line and the car is started by key.  It runs rough.  I’m not sure if its cause one of the spark plugs isn’t making a good connection or if its just because there is a long wire coming from the engine compartment to underneath the dash.  I believe it’s the second one.  So yeah, that’s where I stand.
SO I leave it up to the ever knowledgeable Steve or anyone else out there that has any bright Ideas!
 Thanks Thanks Thanks!!!!

sounds like youu are having a time with your starter .... can you tell me the make and model of the unit you are trying to install as well as the make model and year of the vehicle it is going into. this will help me in finding the actuall install guide to the product and I should be able to help you from there.