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99 accord and rs install

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: March 28, 2024 at 4:42 AM


Topic: 99 accord and rs install

Posted By: jgold47
Subject: 99 accord and rs install
Date Posted: December 01, 2003 at 7:29 PM

blah blah...I searched etc..and didnt see the exact answer I was looking for so I thought I would try again

since I dont install anymore I actually had my old shop install this for me, but I havent been able to contact them since I have been gone all week etc...

I have a 99 accord ex with a factory security system

and I had a clifford rs2 installed

when the doors are locked the factory alarm goes off with remote start/trunk pop.....easy enough need to unlock doors first....

the rs2 has a function to pulse the unlock on trunk pop...problem solved

however for the rs the problem is that I dont want to have the damn doors unlocked after rs untill shutdown...and I dont want to have to rember to rearm it after it remote starts (seems to not be a problem)....I could care less about the factory alarm but for some reason my guys thought it would be easier to leave it in....not sure why....I want to completely disable this alarm since it serves no function whatso ever.....I seem to see that if you ground a blue wire in the door it prevents the factory  alarm from seeing a locked door and therefor not arming AT ALL? is that right...is that the generally accepted method of disabling the factory alarm. any other suggestions?

I will be getting it back to these guys soon but with the season being so busy, I know that they will not have time to trouble shoot this....and we dont/didnt do a lot of foreign cars so these guys had never done an ex like this...

thanks in advance!!




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Posted By: ck auto
Date Posted: December 01, 2003 at 8:24 PM

hi the blue wire in door is the disarm no unlock some people say you can also find it on pass side behind access panel on dash ive never found it there but ive only done one or hondas that required it.i think its orange there but not 100% sure

good luck

kirk





Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: December 03, 2003 at 3:17 PM
so by grounding this wire, it will prevent the Factory system from ever arming?




Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: December 03, 2003 at 4:39 PM
if you ground it, yes it will prevent the factory from arming....but the proper way is to use a disarm wire....i think most ppl groudn it permanent since getting disarm wire through the door would be time consuming.....i did it to my buddy's car for over a yr ago and nothing happen.

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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).




Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 12:23 AM
Its easy to run the wire into the car if you have the right snake tools. Why not use the factory alarm since its there? Do it right the first time...




Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 6:31 AM

1. what would be the point of using the factory alarm if I have a RS2? it would provide 0 benefit

2. using the disarm wire prior to remote start, dosent solve the initial problem of LEAVING THE DOORS LOCKED DURING THE REMOTE START, or does it?

3. having a worthless factory alarm is just one more thing to go wrong





Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 8:08 AM
1. Ever hear of multiple layers of protection?

2. The doors never unlock if you use the blue wire for disarm.

3. Some people just don't get it. Why don't you just permanately bypass the chip in the key to since its just another thing that could go wrong.




Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: December 04, 2003 at 5:22 PM

I disagree with your first point, if the triggers are the same, its not really another layer, especially since its disarmed by unlocking the front door, all you would have to do is break the window, and unlock it by lifting the latch, as I understand it

point 2 is what i am looking for....if I pulse/ground  this wire instead of the unlock (thus dsarming the alarm) that should solve my problem and I wont have to worry since the rs2 dosent care if the factory alarm is disarmed..if I ground it, end of story, if I pulse it, I would be able to enjoy whatever level of "protection it offers me"....sorry if you thought I was being stupid, but when I was an installer nothing vexed us more then when an aftermarket add on  (ie remote start/keyless/alarm etc...) would not cooporate with the OEM system.  thats why I think its easier to remove them and add on an all in one aftermarket system, WHEN approriate, which in this case it could be....now for your last comment about bypassing the chip....why...the transponder bypass is part of the RS2 system....if one part fails/is defeated/then in essence the whole thing is shot....ok so no rs...but if the factory alarm goes sh*tzo on me, it could potnetially keep me from starting the car with a key, unlocking, disarming etc....I am all for layers dont get me wrong, but I was talking about the reliablity of an oem system, when it has been integrated into a far superior and better (for lack of a better word) system.......not about having multiple layers of security





Posted By: mbsaudio
Date Posted: December 06, 2003 at 2:59 PM
This car has a shock sensor, so if someone were to break the window and try to open the door the alarm would go off. Tell your guy's or yourself to do like JWorm said, do it right the first time...




Posted By: JWorm
Date Posted: December 07, 2003 at 12:13 AM
"I disagree with your first point, if the triggers are the same, its not really another layer, especially since its disarmed by unlocking the front door, all you would have to do is break the window, and unlock it by lifting the latch, as I understand it"

You understand it wrong. And from I have read of your comments you have no clue how your factory alarm works, The factory alarm disarms by turning the key in the drivers door cylinder. The blue wire from the key cylinder (which has nothing to do with unlocking the doors) then goes to the window switch in the drivers door. From there the signal is multiplexed into the vehicle...not that I expect you to know what that means. Permanately ground the wire....I don't care anymore.

"sorry if you thought I was being stupid, but when I was an installer nothing vexed us more then when an aftermarket add on  (ie remote start/keyless/alarm etc...) would not cooporate with the OEM system.  thats why I think its easier to remove them and add on an all in one aftermarket system, WHEN approriate, which in this case it could be"

My point #3 above was a joke in reference to you wanting to disable factory security functions that can be easily integrated with an aftermarket system.

mbsaudio, as far as I know a 99 Accord does not have a factory shock sensor.

When were you an installer and for how long?




Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: December 07, 2003 at 10:11 AM

ok!!

1. end of story....thank you for your suggestion on the blue wire, I am probably going to have them ground it this week and then in the summer when its a little warmer and a little less hectic, have them/me/us run wire to the door for the speakers too and the blue, mabyee hook up a 530T while we are at it!

2. just to try and save some face, since you obviously think I am a moron,posted_image I sold for 2 years  and installed for the last 6 months or so of that timeabout a year ago,  I have/had  2 mecp certs( they expire dont they?), but my shop did mostly audio, and the little secrity/rs/keyless was a lot of older domestics, did a lot of remote starts on like 94 ford rangers, cavaliers, grand ams, etc....but I completely conceed that I dont know that much with this car, and this system, I assumed that it was a factory installed option but like the rest of them that were older, were not integrated that fully into the car, not like some of the newer systems that are basically controlled by a BCM (type thing)....thanks for your help!!





Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: February 03, 2004 at 3:26 PM

just wanted to bring this back up....

we are going to try piggybacking the pulse wire on the passenger side power mirror wire since it has to come into the car somewhere, and it comes out right where blue wire is....that way since the wire is useless when the power is off, we dont have to try and get that wire throught the door which we tried with no sucess...

any thoughts?






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