car security
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=2223
Printed Date: May 02, 2024 at 2:09 AM
Topic: car security
Posted By: ishmel
Subject: car security
Date Posted: July 25, 2002 at 4:35 PM
hi, i recently bought a 1988 toyota supra that already had a sidewinder alarm system in it. about a week ago i managed to set off the factory alarm which i didn't know was on there. when tis went off it set off the sidewinder alarm. once i got them both shut off i tried to start the car and it wont start. all off my electronics work in the car but when i try to start it absolutly nothing happens. if someone could give me some suggestions i would really appreciate it. ishmel ------------- ishmel
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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 25, 2002 at 9:39 PM
You have a starter disable relay that is still active. The starter disable cuts just the starter wire while leaving everything else intact and operational. You need to reset the alarm ( Sidewinder ) and this will deactivate the relay. If you diconnect the battery and reconnect it, it should reset the alarm. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: ishmel
Date Posted: July 26, 2002 at 11:36 AM
ishmel i tried to disconnect the battery but every time i try it i manage to set one of the alarms off when i either disconnect it or reconnect it. i still cant get it to start.if i push in the clutch and try to start it, it does the same thing as trying to start the car without pushing the clutch in the service dept. at toyota they told me that i may have shorted somthing out when both alarms whent off and they said that it is not possible to have the factory and aftermarket alarms both hooked up. if you hav any other suggestions i would appreciate it ------------- ishmel
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 26, 2002 at 3:29 PM
You CAN have both the OEM and an aftermarket alarm hooked up . The OEM is only a door trigger, hood & maybe a trunk trigger system. The aftermarket one will be that + the shock and maybe a perimeter trigger. - Now, what you want to do is to go under the dash and follow the wires of the aftermarket alarm and find the brain.
- Disconnect all the wires from this module and find the BLACK/ WHITE wire of the car in this mess of wires. This is your STARTER wire for the car.
- Make sure that this wire has not been cut. Follow this wire until you can not follow it anymore and if the wire has not been cut in half anywhere, then it's another problem.
- IF the wire has been cut in half and is wired into to a relay, then you have to reconnect the starter wire halves and try to start the car after you have cut the starter disable relay away from the wires. There will be 4 wires connected to this relay.
------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: SOUNDCIRCUIT
Date Posted: July 27, 2002 at 12:30 PM
If all you want to do is get the car to crank up again, then there is a quick fix. Just unplug the sidewinder's main plug. IF you want the sidewinder to continue to work, you may need to troubleshoot the entire hookup.
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: July 27, 2002 at 11:03 PM
This will not work if there is a starter disable relay installed into the system. Unplugging the unit will not reconnect the starter wire that was cut for this circuit. Please correct me if I'm wrong about this ? ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: ishmel
Date Posted: July 31, 2002 at 11:37 PM
ishmel, i checked my alarm and the only BLACK/ white wire from the aftermarket is for the domelights,this is what the wireing diagram on the alarm says. there are 2 relays that are part of the alarm. how can i tell which one it is? i have a sidewinder model 5000 if that helps? ------------- ishmel
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 01, 2002 at 1:15 AM
You need to find the BLACK/ WHITE wire from the car, not the alarm.... sorry for not clarifying that. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: chriswallace187
Date Posted: August 02, 2002 at 12:40 AM
sidewinder's made by DEI, right? if it's like all their other alarms, the starter kill relay is N/C, and it takes ignition switched 12v+ and a - output from the alarm to open it. so you could just unplug the alarm and forget about it if you didn't care. ------------- C Renner's Auto Electronix
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Posted By: ishmel
Date Posted: August 02, 2002 at 10:40 AM
ishmel, i found the BLACK/ white wire and it was connected to a relay. i reconected the wire together and it still gives me nothing. my question is there are still 3 wires connected to the relay am i supposed to cut those to? Also, ther is another relay that is connected to the aftermarket alarm would this relay have anything to do with the problem? ------------- ishmel
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 03, 2002 at 8:35 AM
Is the other relay splitting another wire from your ignition harness. The installer may have placed a ignition disable as well as a starter disable. Have you tried to unplugg the entire harness from the brain yet ? ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
Posted By: ishmel
Date Posted: August 03, 2002 at 2:47 PM
ishmel, i have tried with the brain hooked up and with it disconeccted either way it still doesnt work. will it hurt anything to take both relays out completley as long as i make sure that the wire they were in series with are hooked back together like they were from the factory? ------------- ishmel
Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: August 03, 2002 at 5:06 PM
No harm in that... try it and hopefully it will solve the problem. ------------- Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
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