Printer Friendly Forum Posts - Remote Start for Manual?

Hey all. Gettin' tired of startin' my car in the morning, but I got a stick.

I went ahead and installed the DEI VIPER790XVR and everything works great, but I want added protection.

The clutch switch is ONLY bypassed during remote start, and it will not start in reverse. 1-5 are a different story. Any ideas for finding a wire with ground/12v in gear? It's a 2002 focus. Anyone done it before? Thanks in advance, guys.

-------------

you have no chance .the only thing you can do.when the car is runing the handbrake is off.so when you engage the handbreak . this could be used somehow.say the alarm was to monitor the handbreak. earth.this could be used somehow.the alarm will only allow the car to remote start if the handbrake is on. and the doors are closed?an idea

what we've done in the past is use a simple reed switch mounted underneath the boot, above the shifting mechanism...usually able to line up the pads (being creative, using backstrap, etc) pretty good, so that when the cars stick was even wiggled past neutral, it broke ground....

all remote starts for standard look at the door trigger to sense if a door is opened...we simply piggybacked onto that circuit (with diodes) so that if the stick was moved from neutral, the r/s thought the door was opened and canned programming...

This is what you need. It's at the very bottom of the page it's called a neutral safety bypass. It is the only safe way IMO to install a remote start on a manual. https://peripheralelectronics.com/2002/security_bypasses.asp

What I normally do if a customer doesn't want to use a proper unit is similar to HamiltonAudio. But I normally tap into the hood pin wire. This way if the car is in gear it grounds out on some creatively placed metal plates and thinks the hood pin is open, opposite to HamiltonAudio's. Make sure to use diodes.

can u install that bypass to any type of alarm?

Just as it says "Starter system must have “Stop & Go” type feature"

Meaning you can drive your car and stop, hit a button on the remote or use a switch in order for the remote start to take over so you can get out of the car and it keeps running. This feature alone is one of the best defenses if your trying to use an auto RS on a manual. Just get into the habit of putting it in this mode everytime you get out and you know it's ready to go since your not in the car and it's still running..Then just shut it off via remote when you get out and lock it up..Of course hook up the e-brake, hood pin, brake wire, as well..Good luck,

Mike

yes you can. Aslong as the remote start has a hood pin. Almost all do

Check to see if your focus has a neutral sensing wire. Some newer cars have them. If it has one you can tie the wire into the hood pin switch.It will then only start in nuetral.

I don't mean to jump in on your thread however it was on the same topic so I figured it would be best addressed this way.

I have been looking in to alarms/Remote starts for manual Trans Cars for a few months now. and I have come across a number of different setups.

The one that I have decided to go with and done quite a bit of research on is manufactured by this company www.goairx.com it is distibuted by a company knowen as Design Tech International. And the Model is the Airwolf 20096. Here is how it opperates

In order for the Remote start to engage when you park your car here is the process you have to go through.

1) Park.
2) Emergency Brake On.
3) Turn off Ignition (Car will continue to run) (Do not step on brake this will de activate the process)
4) Open Door and Exit. Upon closing of the door the car will shut down and your car is now ready for full remote opperation.

If you don't go through this process the car WILL NOT start. And the process is nothing more than what you would normally do when exiting a manual shift car.

Focusedonsound- Most remote starters for manual transmissions now require that procedure.They also require a hood pin switch so the car can't start with the hood open. So your right, it would be just about impossible to leave the car in gear and set it for remote starting.
When i posted above i was talking above and beyond that basic saftey measure.Some dealers simply refuse to install remotes in manual transmission cars because of liability issues. The appearence of nuetral sense wires could eventually put them more at ease.

ok... Being that I am obviously a newbie at all of this please fill me in...on ways to make this safer. or how I like to put it... Stupid proof. no offense to anyone on here.

For example I have a 2000 Ford Mustang GT Convertible. Normally to start the car its necessary to step on the clutch to start. I don't know what other things are going on with the car durring that process.

What might you recomend I do to add to my install to bring it to the safest level.

What might you recomend I do to add to my install to bring it to the safest level.

Buy a remote starter that is designed for a manual transmission vehicle.

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

"Buy a remote starter that is designed for a manual transmission vehicle."

Well now thats an obvious answer! ... I almost can't beleive that came from a moderator.

Again in case someone missed what I said earlyier.

I am looking at the Design Tech International Airwolf. (Designed For MANUAL TRANSMISSIONS)

However I see people talking about making it 100% fool proof and no room for human error. I seep people talking about all kinds of sensors and such ... What is my best bet to go with ...

Hey Focusedonsound, the obvious answer is to get the manual safe remote starter. I wasn't trying to be a smart ass or anthing. Try to " rig up " a safety feature for a remote starter that is not designed for a manual transmission vehicle is an accident waiting to happen. If you purchase a manual safe remote starter, then I would say, that is all you would need to do to make it safe. Some vehicles have a nuetral safety wire and you can wire this into the clutch bypass so that if the wire doesn't see (-) then it will not engage the clutch. I did this on Mazda's and it worked like a charm.

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Hey Jeff, sorry for taking it that way ... it has just been one of those days. And I don't mean to snap back at you.
I understand what you are saying that a unit specificly designed for Manual trans is secure.

How would I know or find out if my car (2000 Ford Mustang GT) has this so called Neutral Safty wire? And if my car doesn't have this is there something else that can be done?

Focusedonsound. As long as the remote is advertised for a manual transmission than you will be ok. They are safe enough. The neutral sense wire is something extra and can only be used if the car has one. Only a few of the newer car models do (Subaru/Mazda). The only way to know for sure is to get a wiring diagram of your involved. These wires will not be listed on most web sites which offer diagrams for installing remotes.
But again this is not necessary for safe operation.

Seeing that the Ford Mustang is essential a Mazda ( don't hit me too hard for saying that posted_image

) the car does have a nuetral safety wire. It's a WHITE/ PINK wire found in the ignition harness and is a (-) trigger. If the car is in nuetral, this wire will have a (-) on it. If it's in gear, the wire will register a 6-8 volt current ( maybe higher on the Mustang ).

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Jeff,

Thanks for that info. You are just full of amazing information. and yes if you were a arms length away you would have gotten a hit from me for the Mustang Mazda comment.

My brother is a Ford Tech however that doesn't make him the expert and sometimes getting information out of him is worse than pulling teath. Any which way ... as a Typical Tech and being that he is my Mechanic (You can't beat having a personal mechanic) he was extreamly weary on this whole topic.. for obvious reasons.

So now lets get back to this Neutral Safty wire. Now that I know that I have it ...(which I understand to be a good thing) How do I intigrate it to make it work for me. I guess Assentially what part of this whole system do I want to attach it to.

P.S Thanks again for your help. This website/ forum the whole 9 is a do it yourselfers dream. Absolutly awesome. .... Thanks Nick !

Hey Nick, please email me at techsupport@velocitymotorsport.com and I will send you a diagram of what I did with the Mazda Miata's safety relay.

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Jeff,

I have one last question and then I promise to stop bothering you...lol...

I have the remote start/ alarm the Design Tech Intl Airwolf 20096 which is the same as your lynx 2000r i beleive.

Is there anything else I should get my hands on before I attempt this install. My brother and I are going to tackel this together. Also what should I expect for the Install time?

Thanks again you have been a big help!

Other than that relay diagram that I sent you, the Mustang comes equipped with the PATS and you will need to bypass this with a module, you will need 2 active keys to program a keyless module and only one spare key if you are going to use the key required bypass.

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

Jeff,

First off let me say thanks again for all your help ... Its guys like you that make people like me a little more willing to attempt something new.

Key Less Module? Is this so its not necessary to tape a key up in the dashboard? and I am just guessing that I can get something like this from Perepherals!

And what do you mean by 2 active keys to program a keyless module and only one spare key if you are going to use the key required bypass.?

Thanks again for hte help

Nick

ok focussed what jeff means is that if you are using a bypass that requires the use of one key that is placed inside a box,then one key is all that is needed.. if you are planning on using a keyless bypass the kind that 'no' key is required then you will have to use both ford keys to program it 1 key will not work.by using a keyless there is no key needed in the car for remote start to work but you have to have two working keys to program it initially.

Ok now I understand...

Is there any advantage to this? Having a new key cut and programed would cost about the same as buying the module?

Thanks for the help
Nick!

do you have 2 keys available for the car??If so use the keyless module 555f.That is the one you will need. It would be better to use the keyless module if you can.

or if you are willing to lose one key then the 555u will work these modules will hold the one key inside them and send the code out upon remote start..

Correct me if I am wrong ... and maybe I am just being stupid. But I have heard of people just taping or mounting an extra key in the stearing column and being done with it.

What advantage does these modules have?

These modules dont permanantly bypass the security of the car.When you place a transponder on the cylinder and leave it there you have permanantly bypassed the transponder. Which leaves the car vunerable to being stolen.

When you use a module you only bypass it when it remote starts leaving the factory security intact at all other times.

That gluing key to ignition is just a rig and it is unaceptable ,if the customer knew what you were doing they would not come back to your shop,would you??

If you want to save money you can make your own module with a relay and some wire but you will still need one spare key ,but this will work great and wont bypass the security of the key only while remote started.This would be my second choice as oposed to a 555u but you should not just glue the key there because of a lot of reasons, one is some cars when they see 2 transponders at one time will refuse to start at all leaving that customer stranded.

that was the answer that I was looking for.

Please Understand that I am a Newbie when it comes to Auto Security. My area typicly is car audio. But being that I want to install this in my car and make sure that it is done correctly I want to do it myself.

Thanks for the Help
Nick

hey just wondering what does a reed switch looks like? is it like one of the house alarms when the magents close the circuit when it close to each other?

BTW: If you live in a cold part of the country like I do, leaving a transponder key in the car when it's -35 at night will most likely freeze on you and not allow for the car to start in the morning.

-------------
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA