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Clifford G5 2000 Blazer

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=23246
Printed Date: May 29, 2024 at 12:10 AM


Topic: Clifford G5 2000 Blazer

Posted By: blazer2
Subject: Clifford G5 2000 Blazer
Date Posted: December 23, 2003 at 2:30 AM

I had a question concerning how Passlock2 works.  How exactly does it work?  I thought it might be something in the key, buy I noticed my mom has a plain metal key for my blazer and it starts the car fine.  Does it work in some other way im not familiar with, or is it just not present?

I thought it had something to do with resistance being found between two of the wires in the steering column, but what determines the resistance, I thought it was the key.  If it isnt, than what does it use?  If its not the key it seems somewhat worthless to me.

2000 Blazer ZR2



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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood



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Posted By: FullForce
Date Posted: December 23, 2003 at 7:30 AM
Yes its on there. Two wires that you have to test are the ORANGE / black and the thin yellow wire. Dont confuse the yellow wire with the starter wire which is larger but also yellow. Cut the yellow wire in half and probe the switch side of the yellow wire and the uncut ORANGE / black wire to get the resistance. Turn the key to the run position and record the resistance. Now turn to crank position and release back to run position and record this resistance. If they are the same use a resistor of that value. If they are different then use the second value. I dont have the diagram showing how the relays are wired to these wires but if you want to bypass the passlock altogether then you can wire the resistor from the computer side of the cut yellow wire to the uncut ORANGE / black wire.

Oh by the way. You was wondering how it gets its resistance. When you turn the key cylinder it generates a resistance by rotating a magnet in the switch.

Im not that smart I just read well. :)




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 24, 2003 at 5:57 PM
Blah, no cutting and measuring for me, ive got the 555L.  I was mainly wondering how it worked.

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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: livewire 1096
Date Posted: December 24, 2003 at 8:06 PM
blah, blah you will cut wires because the 555l won't work

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Posted By: auex
Date Posted: December 24, 2003 at 8:12 PM
Passlock sends a specific resistance through the key cylinder when the key is turned.

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Certified Security Specialist
Always check info with a digital multimeter.
I promise to be good.
Tell Darwin I sent you.

I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 24, 2003 at 10:00 PM

livewire 1096 wrote:

blah, blah you will cut wires because the 555l won't work

According to its instructions it does.



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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: livewire 1096
Date Posted: December 24, 2003 at 10:25 PM

excuse me, if you don't cut the wire it won't work



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Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 25, 2003 at 12:16 AM
I was referring to installing resistors.  Even If I wanted to I wouldnt have to cut, harnesses are available.

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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: December 25, 2003 at 2:14 AM

after you hook the 555L up, make sure you start the car with the key and let it run for a few secondws before you remote start it.

;)





Posted By: auex
Date Posted: December 25, 2003 at 9:44 AM
OK, first just to get it out of the way, You must cut the r-code wire to install the 555l or it won't work. The r-code wire must be cut, and there are not harnesses available for this.

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Certified Security Specialist
Always check info with a digital multimeter.
I promise to be good.
Tell Darwin I sent you.

I've been sick lately, sorry I won't be on much.




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 25, 2003 at 2:06 PM

sroth140 wrote:

after you hook the 555L up, make sure you start the car with the key and let it run for a few secondws before you remote start it.

;)


Thanks.

auex]O wrote:

, first just to get it out of the way, You must cut the r-code wire to install the 555l or it won't work. The r-code wire must be cut, and there are not harnesses available for this.

Well one isnt bad.  Id end up cutting all my wires because I wouldnt buy a harness anyway.



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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: FullForce
Date Posted: December 27, 2003 at 11:35 PM
it would suit me just fine to bypass the passlock for good with a resistor tied to the cut computer side of the yellow wire and just use the starter kill on the alarm, but when i have always left the passlock working so far




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 28, 2003 at 12:40 PM
I guess it would depend on how thick the R-Code wire is.

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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: December 29, 2003 at 12:47 AM
for passlock systems, i dont know why using resistors is being mentioned.  use the ORANGE / black wire and the black 555L wire, then cut the yellow and attatch the 555L yellow to the key side and the BLACK / YELLOW 555L wire to the car side of the passlock system.  that way, when the 555L gets triggered by a (-) status output, it triggers and sends out the code it learns.  when the car is started with the key, the r code pass right through it unaffected.




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 29, 2003 at 12:53 AM
After all this, I still dont see how this makes anything secure, lol.

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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: December 29, 2003 at 1:22 AM
whats to make secure?  its for remote starts.  it leaves the factory anti theft system intact while allowing a GM vehicle owner the convenience of remote start.  its a good bypass that is easy to install and programs itself as soon as you crank the vehicle with the key.  much better than the capsule 555F and transponder system bypasses like the 555U.  you dont have to worry about bumping it and moving it while putting the steering wheel cover back together... cause you done have to take it off!




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: December 29, 2003 at 2:30 PM
No, not that, Im referring to passlock itself.

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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 3:01 PM

So im in the process of wiring this clifford avantguard 5 up, and I sourced some dei/code alarm wiring sheets.  Well, I came to find out the DEI sheet was wrong on the passanger door trigger.  No problem, I found it.

I wired the two into the negative door trigger, isolated with 1 amp 50v diodes found at radioshack for 69 cents, done the same way shown in the basic connections section on this site.

Now when I try to test the pin in the alarm's harness, im not getting any current.  I was using a test light, because my multimeter was acting funny.  I think it needs batteries.

Should it be doing this, or should I be testing it another way?

Also, after installing the door trigger wire my service 4wd light wont go off ( I was using it earler that day due to heavy rain).From what I understand The door trigger wires lead to the pcd, which controls everything except the engine.  It could be a fluke though, Im not sure.  Glad I have an extended warranty.



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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: its_radio_shop
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 3:49 PM

Make sure you have the correct wire. You say you wired the two into the trigger isolated with a diode? According to this info there is only one door trigger wire.

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/detail.asp?info=alarm&year=2000&make=Chevrolet&model=Blazer%20S-Series&ID=17367&type=Alarm





Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 4:16 PM

I have a diode from each door trigger wire, then they all come together into the alarm - door trigger wire.  According to the dei sheet, in the footnotes it lists all of the door trigger wires and their locations at the pcm.  I double checked them all with the test light to confirm. 

Otherwise it says to use the dome light, but im having problems finding the dome light wire, and I thought their might be some problems since the dome light stays on after you get out of the car.





Posted By: FullForce
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 9:43 PM
my wife has a 98 blazer and i believe most of the harness is the same and from what i remember the domelight was in the kick panel .... this was one of the easist cars i have ever done




Posted By: FullForce
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 9:45 PM
does the blazer you are working on have that domelight override button? if so maybe you can grab it there




Posted By: nava94
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 10:14 PM
your blazer is a 4door?is the body control module for the blazer in the center floorboard?




Posted By: nava94
Date Posted: March 27, 2004 at 10:48 PM

The 1998 Blazer should have the same wiring diagram as the 2000, but make sure you get a digital multimeter when you test any wires.At the BCM the driver front door trigger is in the purple plug(tan wire (-) ) & the passenger door trigger is also at the purple plug (orange wire (-) ) The driver door trigger should cover both front doors(on 4door blazers)check with your digital meter by closing the driver front door and opening the passenger front door if your DMM reads (-) then you just use the tan wire at the purple plug. The driver,passenger rear doors & hatch triggers you will find it at the lite blue plug (dark blue with white stripe(-) ) Make sure if you are using those three wires you isolate them with three 1amp diodes. If you use two wires off the BCM isolate them with two 1amp diodes.The stripe on the diode is were negative current passes thru  (Cathode) so your going to connect the 3 or 2 diodes with the stripe of the diodes going to the wires on the BCM. Hope I help you out good luck and remember to always use a DMM.





Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: March 28, 2004 at 1:01 AM

The car is a two door.

Ive got the drivers door and the rear hatch trigger showing ground when theyre opened. 

There are two orange wires in the purple plug are not the correct wires, meaning their polarity does not change when the passanger door is opened.  I found another, I cant remember which color though (im not currently near the truck, I left it at my cousin's house in it's "stuck in 4WD" condition) that changes polarity when the passanger door is opened, so I used it instead. 

Like I said earlier, my dmm wasnt working correctly, not to mention im not to handy with them.  Half the time I dont know what Im supposed to be looking at.

The car does have the domelight over ride button.  Also, when the word kickpaned is mentioned, this must mean the general area, because none of the wires are actually behind the kick panel, but above the driver's left foot in a huge plug near the parking brake.

Also, the bcm/pcm, whichever you prefer, is located right in front of the center console, mounted tot he bottom of the dash.  Everything has been smooth until this recent 4WD problem, and the wire at the alarm plug not showing a (-) when either door is opened.  I forgot to check the tailgate wire though.  I wonder if it has something to do with those diodes...

Id also like to thank everyone for responding.





Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: March 29, 2004 at 2:29 AM

WEll, I finished up all of the wiring tonight, door truggers work fine and all.

My new problem is the car will not start at all.  The alarm itself has an auto immobilizer feature on it, cutting power to the starter and ignition (1) wire if it goes off.  My problem is, with the alarm hooked up, when I turn the key on the ignition wire is not getting power.  It gets power going into the immobilizer harness, but not coming out of it, UNLESS im cranking the motor. As soon as I stop cranking power ceases.  I unplugged every harness, and routed things back to they would have been before the install, and the car still doesent start.  I just spent the past two hours double checking everything.

Tomorrow ill wake up and triple/quadruple check everything.  This is really starting to get on my nerves.

Another problem im having is wiring the tach input wire for the remote start.  One of my wire sheets says to take the signal from the white wire at the ECM in the red plug.  Well theres two white wire, and theyre not in a very proble friendly spot.  The other says to take the signal off of the COIL from a white wire.  Well, they eres two plugs on the coil.  One goes directly into the coil itself, but has no white wire, just a WHITE/ black.  However, there is a small module on the side of the coil, which does have a white wire going into it, but im not sure if I can use it.

Also, does anyone know if there some kind of support line for DEI products?  I know Clifford's are supposed to be professionally installed, so I have this gut feeling I might be SOL.



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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: March 29, 2004 at 9:04 AM

When you tested the system, was it armed ?? Make sure that the system is disarmed otherwise the internal immobilizer relays will always be on if the system is armed. Another thought would be to not use the internal immobilizer harness and wire in external relays for the starter and the ignition wires by using the (-) when armed.

The tach wire on the Blazer ia at the PCM  located on the passenger fender. On the 2.2L the wire is in a black 80 pin plug pin 10, and on the 4.3L the wire is in a red 32 pin plug pin 20. If you can not get a probe into this spot what you do is take an exacto or utility knofe and slice a small peice of the top of the target wire ( enough to expose the copper strands ) and then meter the wire from there.

I think the best support will come from this site. I am not fond of the support from the DEI website or their phone in services. There are many knowledgable installer's on this site that can and will be better help than those guys over at DEI, especially if your not a dealer for them.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: blazer2
Date Posted: March 29, 2004 at 10:54 AM

The alarm was not armed.

Thats why its confusing me.  The internal immobilizer is allowing power to get through the starter wire when cranking, but not the ign wire when the car is on.  The only time power goes through the ouptut side of the ign is when cranking.

Ill check the two wires when I get access to a working multimeter.



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00 Blazer Zr2 - Custom Box, Excelon 859, Clifford G5
91 Explorer - Alpine, Rattler
87 Rx7 - OEM except under the hood





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