Alarm w/on board Starter Disable relay?

Hello all,

I'm hoping that someone can clear up some confusion that I'm having. I'm looking into learning how to install an alarm (and eventually do it professionally). From my searches on the internet, I've noticed that most of the alarms that have an outboard relay for the starter/ignition disable.   Is there such thing as an alarm that has starter/ignition disable that doesn't require an outboard relay?      

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Duane...

If you think you're confused, imagine how you feel.   :errr:

yes some brands may have a onboard relay for that, however most require one to be wired up. most alarms will a starter disable wire that you can wire up to a relay..omega makes a harness pre-wired for a relay. you just plug in the relay and connect to the proper wire coming from the alarm and that part is done. next you cut the starter wire and connect it to the other two wires that are left and your done.

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Good Luck
David
Ace Security
813-376-9778
Tampa
Donate to the 12volt

That's what I figured. But is there an advantage to having one with a built in relay as opposed to an outboard relay? Aren't the ones with the out board relays easier to bypass? I guess maybe you could hide the relays and cover up the wires. I did some searching on my the alarm on one of my cars (97 Nissan GXE) I had a python 460hp put on it last year. I guess it has built in relays because I can't find any relays (other than the factory ones) on the car? Are the alarms from Directed Electronics equipped with built in relays?

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Duane...

If you think you're confused, imagine how you feel.   

With a external relay it can be hidden anywhere. If the relay should fail, you simply replace it. With a on board relay housed within the alarm unit, if it should fail and it is a N.O. design you will have to send back the unit for repairs.

Thus leaving you without any security, and in a heat of the moment, stranded.

Always practice your over ride routine, in an event of a failure.

Simply practicing this just once a year, will ensure you do not panic, and will enable you to get home safely.


Regards

EVIL Teken . . .

Well, when you think about it like that, it would be better to have the out board realy just so it can be hidden. I mean if it and the brain are hidden really well and the wires are cover and hidden really will it would make it more difficult for a thief to steal the car because it would take too long to find the right wires to disable the alarm and starter disable...right? Wow, thanks guys it makes alot more sense now.

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Duane...

If you think you're confused, imagine how you feel.   

If your intent is to protect the vehicle from being moved.

Then please ensure that you interrupt multiple area's of the fuel / electrical system.

ie. Starter, Ignition, Fuel pump / Relay, Coil, ECU, etc.

There are pro's and con's for each of the above. It is about layering the system, to increase the amount of time it will take a theif to circumvent your security.

If you require more details as to the why's and why not.

Please ask . . .

Regards

EVIL Teken . . .

Important!: It's one thing to do all this stuff to your own car since you will know how to handle it if something goes wrong, but it is a completely different story when you do this to someone elses car. You mentioned you wanted to do this professionally, so as far that is concerned you shouldn't get too crazy with it. For your first install I hope it is your own vehicle. Knock yourself out with it if its yours. Mount the brain somewhere completely hidden, make all wire harnesses look like they were factory installed by taping them up with factory tape or whatever they use. You could do a normally open starter kill. There are so many things you could do for fun and for the learning experience.

Good Luck

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer

I think i can see the pros and cons for each of those you mentioned Teken.  Like you said, doing that kind of layering will make it more difficult for the thief to try and take the vehicle. But getting too deep into the disabling could go against me if something goes wrong.  Maybe I'm over thinking it a little but like alot of us here, I've come out of my house to find that my car had been "visited" by some a$$h@le in middle of the night. 

Thanks J for the heads up on that.  I would like to eventually do car audio and security professionally.  But it's not practical to do all that to a "customer" car.  I guess it would depend on the situation and needs of that person.  The more elaborate stuff I would definately do to my own car.  I plan on getting an older truck so i can do all of this stuff to.  Power windows/locks, sound system, and alarm. 

Thanks again guys.  That helped alot.

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Duane...

If you think you're confused, imagine how you feel.