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Taurus remote starter: blower stays on

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Topic: Taurus remote starter: blower stays on

Posted By: cpgoose
Subject: Taurus remote starter: blower stays on
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 8:13 AM

Ok, I realize I did something wrong, but I'm not sure how to rewire it.

I installed a Crimestopper 900 VI keyless entry/remote start module into a '93 Ford Taurus. The Taurus has 3 accessory wires that I believe need to be powered (I used to have an older bulldog module in this car, and I connected 1 acc wire from the car to 1 acc wire from the RS, and 2 other acc wires from the car to 1 ign wire from the RS, and it worked fine).

This time, I thought I would use a relay to power the 3rd ACC wire. What happens now is that the blower can turn on when the car is off, so I guess my relay configuration is wrong posted_image Here's how I did it:

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Posted By: djmt99
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 9:31 AM

cpgoose:  posted_image Wow, at about 2:00AM I tried posting the following about my own problems with the heater blower not coming on in a 1995. My post didn't go through, but I'm including it in this reply. I'm curious as to what wires you're using, I know there are a few changes in wiring between the 2, but I don't believe there is much difference between 93 & 95. posted_image

I'm installing a Bulldog remote start (model rs1100i/rs1100ie/rs114) that my sister purchased from Sam's Club (Don't ask... if she had told me that she was buying a BD, I would've told her to get something else). Anyways, she already has it, and wants it in her 1995 Taurus (no factory security). I pretty much have everything set-up correctly, except for a few things:

1) Domelight: The BD manual says there's a DIP switch to alternate between (+) and (-) for the domelight. I cannot find a switch, and the domelight is not coming on when triggered by the keyless entry. The only location that I could get at was at the dimmer switch, and the color of the wire is a TAN or GREY wire (it's hard to say). I realize the diagram on this site says the door trigger wire is BLK/LT BL, but it's not easy to get at. Does the tap location make that much of a difference, or is the polarity just wrong? posted_image

2) Heater Blower Power: Again, the diagram says BL/GRN specifically for the Heat/AC, but that seems to be just supplying power to the radio. Sounds like BATT/ACCY to me. The YELLOW/GRY shuts off the ABS light on the dash, but still no blower power. I have the RED / LT GRN wired in as the primary IGN. I was getting frustrated at this point, and didn't probe any more wires, with hopes to hear good news here! posted_image

3) Finally, when connecting the main 12v supply to the unit, relays click in the brain, and relays (possibly starter solenoid?) are clicking under the hood, and possibly the fuel pump (It's really hard to decipher what and where these noises are from under a dash!). It's VERY VERY hard to tell if these are just energizing intially, or if they are locking on. I hit the wire, and you hear clicks from the brain and from under the hood, and that's it. No crank, no heat, and no smoke (that's a good thing!). Is this a normal occurance? posted_image

I realize Bulldog isn't the best of what's around, but for my sister, I figure she gets what she pays for, and as the good brother, I'm taking the liberty of agreeing to this task. IMHO, I'm partial to DEI, but for dealing with a Bulldog for the first time, it's pretty simple. I'd like to see some more features like anti-grind... and why not through in a siren and shock sensor to make a complete system?! Hopefully my issues are simple, and I'm just missing a few things. posted_image

Thanks for the help, in advance.

- Joe

Worcester, MA

 




Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 9:42 AM
On pin 86 of the relay, do not use ground rather use the GROUND OUT WHEN RUNNING wire ( YELLOW/BLACK ) wire

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: abright52
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 9:52 AM
Why not use the IGN 2 wire for one of the Accessories and you can change the "Ground Out When Running" (YEL/BLK) to IGN 3. Look in the manual and it will show you how to do it.

IGN 1 - RED / Lt GRN
IGN 2 - GRY/YEL
IGN 3 - GRY/YEL
ACC - BLK/Lt GRN

Those are the same for a 95 Taurus, also djmt99.

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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 9:53 AM
Thanks Jeff! I kept looking at the 12v+ as the problem, but I never thought about the ground signal!

You see how that yellow/black wire is programmable either as a negative ignition output, or for the anti-grind/starter disable? Well, I hooked it up as it shows for the second option (starter disable). Can I still tap that same yellow/black wire for this other relay to power the extra accessory wire? I guess in a way I'm wiring it like the second option, but using it for both.

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Posted By: abright52
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 9:56 AM
It also shows in the manual how to split that wire off to do two seperate things.

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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 10:01 AM
Thanks, too, abright52.

I guess I meant to say that I needed it for an extra ACC wire, not IGN, but I'm guessing it's similar anyway. So I guess if I program it for the second option (starter disable), and then wire it for both the starter disable AND to power up the 3rd ACC wire, then that yellow/black wire will still act as I need it to. In other words, it doesn't look like the yellow/black wire acts much differently, whether you program it for the first or second option.

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 10:11 AM
Program it for (-) ignition output which is esentially a ground out when running. IF you want an extra ACC wire, you can use this relay diagram, if you don't have another (-) trigger wire or don't feel like splitting the YELLOW/BLACK wire.

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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 10:21 AM
Ok, I guess either way I'll be using that yellow/black wire.

If I program it for (-) ignition output to power the 3rd ACC wire, can I still use it for starter kill/anti-grind....because it won't activate when locking the button anymore? Or do I just have to forget about that feature?

Crap, some diagrams say the gray / YELLOW are extra ignition wires, and other diagrams say they're extra accessory wires. I guess either way, I still have to power them up.

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Posted By: abright52
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 11:17 AM
ACC and IGN are essentially the same.

You could leave the Starter Disable and use IGN 2 for that other wire.

It can't do Starter Disable and (-) IGN at the same time.

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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 12:16 PM
Do you know how I can tell whether the grey / YELLOW wires are IGN or ACC wires? One diagram says IGN and the other says ACC? The reason I ask is because you have to move a jumper on the module, depending on what you're using the extra wire for. I guess if you pick IGN, it comes on during remote start, and if you pick ACC, it comes on after remote start??

I think what I'm leaning towards is just using that yellow/black wire to activate the relay for the extra ACC wire, and program for ignition (-) out. I think i'm just going forget the starter kill since you can't really seem to do both.

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 12:55 PM

Ignition wire
This wire supplies power to the vehicle's ignition system and fuel pump, it shows between 10 and 14 volts with the key in the RUN and CRANK positions of the key switch. Some vehicles have more than one ignition wire; all ignition wires should be connected when installing a remote starter. Use relays for connecting additional ignition wires. See our diagram titled ' ADDING RELAY FOR 2 ND IGNITION'.

Accessory wire
This wire supplies power to the vehicle's blower and heater/Ac controls. It shows between 11.5v and 14v with the key in the ACCESSORY and RUN positions of the key switch. Some vehicles have multiple accessory wires to control all the heater and a/c functions. If it is necessary to connect a second accessory wire, use a relay as described in our diagram titled ' ADDING RELAY FOR 2 ND ACCESSORY'.

Hope this helps.



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Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 1:59 PM
Thanks Jeff, yea, that helps me.

A stupid question: I just went out to the car, and the battery seems dead (car won't crank or start). Do you think even though the blower is off, that the relay setup from my first post is draining the battery?

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Posted By: Velocity Motors
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 2:05 PM
Fast way to check it out is to put a trickle charger on the battery and then take the relay that you had and meter pin 87 to see if there's current on that wire. If there is it will be 5-7 volts.

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Velocity Custom Home Theater
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Morden, Manitoba CANADA




Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 2:56 PM
Well, I just went out and jumped the car, and it started. Then I unplugged that relay (that was supposedly supplying the 3rd ignition wire), so hopefully it stopped draining the battery until I can look at it tonight.

Thanks again for all the help, I appreciate it. Hopefully I'll get everything settled tonight (removing the starter kill relay, and hooking it up for ignition out instead).

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Posted By: cpgoose
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 2:59 PM
EDIT: The stupid steering wheel won't "lock" either after the car is off....so I'm assuming this is all related.

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