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2000 Malibu & Avital 4200 remote start

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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
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Printed Date: May 15, 2024 at 10:46 PM


Topic: 2000 Malibu & Avital 4200 remote start

Posted By: epete1112
Subject: 2000 Malibu & Avital 4200 remote start
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 6:30 PM

I am trying to install an Avital 4200 remote start / keyless entry into a 2000 malibu.  I have the wires all connected, but the remote start will not work.  When pressing the buttons to start the system, I just get the lights to flash 4 times and that is it.  I am pretty sure I have every wire connected correctly except for 2 wires.  1 wire is for the ignition output from the alarm.  I have tapped that into the ignition module fuse by the fusebox.  The other wire I am unsure about is the remote start activation input wire.  I have not connected this anywhere, because I am unsure of where it goes.  I have not even messed with the keyless entry yet, because I do not have directions for the relay for that, it is a Directed Electronics 451M, and I can't get the installation guide from there website right now.  Any help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.



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Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 6:49 PM
451m link

WHITE/ blue remote activation input- ground it

you have 2 ign on ur malibu, make that connection.

btw, if you installed a starter kill relay, put the starter wire on the starter side of the relay.


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Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 7:09 PM
Is the hood open, or hood pin grounded? I dont know that unit, but what does the manual say about 4 flashes?

Make sure you bypass the passlock II

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: epete1112
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 9:28 PM
I found out the 4 flashes were that I forgot to plug the brake light plug back into the brake pedal (oops).  I am a little confused on the 2 ignitions on the malibu.  Would that be the 2 orange cables off of the key switch?  Thanks for the help.




Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: January 21, 2004 at 11:02 PM
nvm what i said about the starter kill relay thingy.
instead the starterkill is integrated into the remote starter relay pack.

you have two ignition wires and the avital has two ignitin wires, pink and pink/white. connect them two wires, its simple as that.

|        IGNITION|pink               |+ |ignition harness *1        |
| SECOND IGNITION|green               |+ |ignition harness *1        |
*1 To access the ignition harness remove the radio (without unplugging it) or the panel just above the radio.

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Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: January 22, 2004 at 12:49 AM

four flashes means you went into timer mode.  that means you are pressing the lock and unlock button at the same time like the old avital remotes.  one the new 4000,4200, and 4300 you have to press the * twice.  thats in the owners book.

sorry if you were hitting the * twice tho.

on DEI stuff, i cap off the green wire that acts as the keyside starter wire.  it causes too many problems with ignorant customers.  they will lock with the remote and that activates the starter kill (anit grind)  then they call in and say it wont start with the key, and when they remote start and drive the lights blink.  THATS CAUSE IT THINKS ITS STOLEN.  lock and unlock with the remote ALWAYS.  anyway, just use the purple with it.  the oranges are just accy wires, they might connect to the same terminal else where in the car so they might test identical with your DMM.  you do need a second ign to power up.  besides that... are you on tach or voltage, is the over ride switch on, and did you happen to install the 555L passlock II bypass?





Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: January 22, 2004 at 12:55 AM

sorry, just read the rest of your post.  the remote start activation input isnt needed.  that is used for alarms to trigger the RS, so you can add eiter one later and stil have everything work.  you dont need the ignition output to alarm either.

as for the 451m, you dont have to use the whole thing unless you have a 5wi system.  the malibu is + trigger, lt. blue and white in the drivers kick.  take the ribbion harness from the 451m, and cut it off a few inches from the 451m.  take the red wire in the middle and strip it down to the white harnss, then cap it off or rip it out.  use the blue and green wires as your lock/unlock.  they change functions on + or - systems.  if you hook them up and lock really unlocks, just switch the blue and green wires.





Posted By: epete1112
Date Posted: January 23, 2004 at 6:47 AM

sroth140 wrote:

you do need a second ign to power up.  besides that... are you on tach or voltage, is the over ride switch on, and did you happen to install the 555L passlock II bypass?


I connected a wire to tach.  I do have the override switch on.  I did not install the 555L passlock II bypass.  I do not believe this car has passlock on it.  As far as the second ignitioin, I am still a little confused.  Is this the same wire I connected for the starter wire coming off the ignition?  If so, great, I got it.  If not, which wire do I connect it to.  Thanks for the advise on the green wire, I know this person would have problems with that.





Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 23, 2004 at 10:18 AM
Why dont you think it has the passlock II?

I dont think that is your problem........Yet. Once you figure out what is wrong, your car still wont start since you do have passlock II. Just so you are not surprised, once you finally get the car to attempt to remote start, it will lock you out from being able to start the car even with the key for 10 minutes. You will need to leave the ignition on for that 10 minutes.



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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: epete1112
Date Posted: January 23, 2004 at 4:46 PM
I thought passlock was a factory alarm/theft protection system.  I know I have/had it on my 2000 S-10 because when I powered it on, I got the flashing light saying "Security" and it would flash everytime I locked the doors with the keyless entry.  I do not have this on the Malibu.  If I am incorrect on what Passlock is, please correct me because I am by no means an expert on this.  Thanks for the help.




Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 23, 2004 at 6:35 PM
The security light only turns on when the ignitionis first turned on and then shuts off a couple seconds after the car is started. If you had an alarm, it would also flash when the door is open. The light does double duty when there is an alarm along with the standard Passlock.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: epete1112
Date Posted: January 24, 2004 at 9:35 PM

Ok, I saw a light that did say security on this, but I wasn't aware that this was passlock.  So after I get the relay and install that, and hook up the pink wires and ground the blue/white, I should be set?  Thanks for all the info, I almost got it.





Posted By: italnpimp59
Date Posted: January 24, 2004 at 9:51 PM
no do not ground the blue/white!!  that is the remote start activation input.  it looks for a ground pulse coming off a seperate alarm to control the remote start.  if u ground it, the unit is going to keep tyring to remote start!!!  and no ur not done yet.  you still have to bypass passlock II.  otherwise when u first try to remote start the car, passlock will kick in and not allow u to start the vehicle for like 15 minutes.  and u must leave ur key in the ignition and turn the ignition on for the whole 15min so u can start the vehicle agian with your key

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Posted By: sroth140
Date Posted: January 24, 2004 at 10:54 PM

did you read my first post in this thread at all, for the blue/white wire?  "sorry, just read the rest of your post.  the remote start activation input isnt needed.  that is used for alarms to trigger the RS, so you can add eiter one later and stil have everything work.  you dont need the ignition output to alarm either."

you dont use a relay for passlock II or I, thats for VATS.  use a DEI part 555L and bypass it.  youll need the constant, ignition and status wire from the remote start and the yellow and black passlock wires that come from the key cyl.  heres link to the 555L, go to best buy and pick one up for $49.99, the install book is in there too.

https://directed.com/guides/manuals/ig/accessories/N555L_7-02B.pdf

look at the list of vehicles and youll see that your car is passlock II so follow the wiring and program insturctions for it.  this is one of the easiest bypasses to install.





Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 24, 2004 at 11:40 PM
I recommend using a unit from bypaskit.com, but if you dont want to spend the money you can use a relay and a resistor.

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To get the resistence value: Strip back the Black wire. Start the car with the key, then cut the yellow passlock wire. strip back the key side of the yellow wire and take a DMM and put one lead on the key side of the yellow wire and the other on the Black wire. Record the resistence, then reverse the two leads and record the resistence. Dial in the higher of the two resistences recorded into a trimpot (or buy a resistor within 5% of the measured value) and set it up using a standard 30 amp automotive relay according to the diagram.

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer




Posted By: jrilla
Date Posted: January 24, 2004 at 11:42 PM
I can rarely get pictures to show up. Here is a link to the diafram.   It is diagram #2

Passlock II Temporary Bypass

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J Rilla

Owner/Installer





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