hornet 554t or viper 790xv?
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Topic: hornet 554t or viper 790xv?
Posted By: 95stangw
Subject: hornet 554t or viper 790xv?
Date Posted: February 01, 2004 at 10:00 PM
What is the best out of these two? or are they pretty similar? I know dei makes them both, but i wanted to know how they compare if anyone can help.
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Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: February 01, 2004 at 10:09 PM
Both function on 434mhz.
The 790 is a superior piece - greater and more stable range. It uses a special companion remote
The 554T has more features (bells and whistles). It uses a standard two or four button remote for a companion (green LED).
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Posted By: 95stangw
Date Posted: February 01, 2004 at 10:15 PM
I just read that the 790s have some problem with the remote? by the way the 554t i see listed also has a 2 way remote.
Posted By: Big Dog
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 8:52 AM
Yeah they are both 2-way LCD
The 790 has two seperate zones for trunk and hood whereas the 554T shows both as the same zone on the transceiver.
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Prepare your future. It wasn't the lack of stones that killed the stone age.
Posted By: jaxman
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 12:40 PM
Why not get a 791 ? Even better than the 790 and more channels. ------------- Damn cold here ... 
Posted By: geotexz71
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 4:52 PM
Careful you'd want a 554R to be truly comparable to a 790xv right down to the older, larger brain and mini relay satellite.
You were probably reading my post about the remotes, and it pertains to the old white 478V remotes. Those flakey remotes were included in the early shipments of Responders, and were replaced by the 479-series about 3/4 of a year after the Responder were introduced. All later production 690xv/790xv/880xp/680xp shipped with the new 479s, and all of the new 791xv/591xv/881xp/581xp have them. The new units don't suffer from the circuitry problem, are slimmer, and don't consume batteries as quickly (unless you like the backlighting).
I too would vote for a 791xv or 881xp if a RS system is what you want since they can be had "back door" for the same cost of a retail 554R! You get the added benefits of the new smaller brain and tiny satellite relay module which makes concealment so much easier, plenty of channels, and a rock solid unit IMO!
HTH!
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 6:35 PM
ill take the 554t over the 790xv, cheaper and more reliable w/ the remote....and it comes w/ 2 remote, (1-lcd,1-4button). it works the same, why not get the cheaper one...huh?
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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: 95stangw
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 8:23 PM
Where would be the best place to get the 791xv online? besides ebay. I want to buy the alarm this week and just want to get a good solid one. I really dont care about all the bells and whistles. This will go into a 95 mustang that only has electric mirrors, doors and windows are manual so i dont care about extras as much. I just want one of the 2 way alarms, something that wont be that much of a hassle. I will be installing this myself and all i have is a few hours in a friends garage. By the way the first alarm i tried installing( a prestige model) was a pain, instructions where very vague. I did get a viper lower model and instructions seemed alright but i gave it to a friend as i really want one with the 2 way remote. You guys have been great help, I hope i can make the decision tonight. sorry for the long post.
Posted By: geotexz71
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 8:52 PM
95stangw,
You can have a look at the install and owner's manuals before you buy a DEI unit! Go here:
https://www.directed.com/guides/default.asp
You say you don't need too many bells and whistles, but don't say if you need a remote start (RS) or not. For obvious reasons, RS units are more involved as far as install goes. At any rate, consider at least installing lock actuators in the doors to really get some return out of your alarm investment.
You will find that difference in street price between say a 690xv (alarm) and a 791xv (alarm/RS combo) isn't that much ~$30-40! I do not believe we can post where these can be had on this site, but if you private message me I can tell you where to find some on-line besides the auctions.
Posted By: 95stangw
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 9:08 PM
will do geotexz71, and i do want a remote start chicago winters are a major pain, i would rather get the car warmed up from inside the house than having to actually go out there when its -8 degrees.
Posted By: 95stangw
Date Posted: February 02, 2004 at 10:35 PM
If any one can point me to good prices on the viper791xv, hornet 554t or the clifford equivalent please send email to caballerojaguar@earthlink
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: February 03, 2004 at 7:40 AM
791xv~~~260, buy clifford if you want the diff color remote, and clifford is ~~10-20bucks more than viper
554t~~~160
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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: car_know_it_all
Date Posted: April 03, 2004 at 4:08 AM
Viper Versus Hornet...
Hornet
You hear alot about Viper being one of the best, and me being a Professional Auto security installer and customizer I must agree, but I have tested BOTH products, the hornet being most recent, and I stick with the hornet.
Take it from me, Hornet are the best alarm around.
Hornet have so many features, Hornet alarms are reliable, have a great price tag and will deter nearly any car theif.
Good luck with choosing the alarm. And remember it is up to you. But if i were in your shoes, and your left shoe was hornet, and the right was viper, i'd pull the bottom off the left shoe. (what i mean is im sticking to hornets side, they ARE the best)!!!!!
------------- MotorMan
Posted By: car_know_it_all
Date Posted: April 03, 2004 at 4:12 AM
profuse007 wrote:
791xv~~~260, buy clifford if you want the diff color remote, and clifford is ~~10-20bucks more than viper
554t~~~160
A viper 554T?
you mean a hornet 554T mate, or are you talking about the viper 790 model?
do you know Anything about alarms or do u just sell em?
got bored so i though i would correct you.
 ------------- MotorMan
Posted By: 95stangw
Date Posted: April 03, 2004 at 9:15 PM
To anyone still posting on this thread: I bought the alarm in february and its installed in the car. I did go with the viper 791xv.
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: April 04, 2004 at 12:15 AM
car_know_it_all wrote:
profuse007 wrote:
791xv~~~260, buy clifford if you want the diff color remote, and clifford is ~~10-20bucks more than viper
554t~~~160
A viper 554T?
you mean a hornet 554T mate, or are you talking about the viper 790 model?
do you know Anything about alarms or do u just sell em?
got bored so i though i would correct you.
huh?
791 ~220, viper's cousin ~240
554t ~160
huh? viper never had any 2way sold for ~160.
fine, let me add
viper 791 ~220, viper's cousin,, rsx3.5 ~240
hornet 554t ~160
there!!! happy? lol
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"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: whcollier
Date Posted: May 13, 2004 at 2:35 PM
profuse007... maybe some people just simply like to have the best when it comes to securing their vehicles that they paid so much time, money, and attention to in any thing in life you get what you pay for, and cheaper simply means in most things lesser quality so for my $32,000.00 2002 Dodge Ram Truck I will not put anything less than the best which is the DEI brand of alarms and products. like the 791XV which I have in my truck... and to top that off they also have the Viper 200Gps module that interfaces with the 791 XV ESp2 system... which means if the theifs do steal the truck. then you can track it and have it recovered within a few hours of being stolen.... and there are adapters that allow you to interface the security system through a dvd video system and configure the alarms functions on screen with a remote instead of the valet/program button (how many other alarms allow that option?) not to mention the bitwriter port and pc interface for alternate programming options??? so all in all you really get more bang for the buck when you start weighing out cost of the system, and available options and so on.... so spend cheaply get cheaply made products... for my Trucks.... I use nothing but the best I wouldnt care if it cost $300.00 more than another toV brands alarm, it wouldnt compare to the piper 791XV no way shape or form so trust your prized vehicle to a cheaper system ... but not this kid I say my $32,000.00 Dodge Ram is well worth the $229.00 and to go a step further it doesnt belong to the bank, its paid for lock stock and barrel... so I loose not the bank and the insurance company
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 12:02 PM
well from experience, i learned that all viper/clifford/hornet/valet 2-ways have the same feature and function and the 554t's range is just as bad as all the other one.
if you want to kill ur wallet just for the "rebadge" products, then thats ur problem.
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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: kgerry
Date Posted: May 14, 2004 at 12:52 PM
where do i start? you are obviously not very familiar with the DEI products.... you are right the Viper, Clifford and Python models are essentially the same units.... BUT, they are substantially different from the Hornet, Valet and Avital 2 ways.... The V/C/P models are true Responder units... they broadcast on an FSK FM bandwidth which allows for superior range & obstruction penetration, as well as the fact they broadcast on a split bandwidth in real time, ( they broadcast on one frequency and recieve on another ) which equates into far quicker security notification....( essentially realtime ) The H/A/V units broadcast on an ASK AM system with reduced range and building penetration... as well as broadcasting and receiving on the same frequency... so it transmits for 15 seconds, then stops, goes into receive for 15 seconds, then stops and transmits again, etc..... this allows for a potential security lag time of 30 seconds or more between the time the alarm is triggersed and the time it beeps on the remote.... i've had a Hornet 2 way in my vehicle and now a Clifford 3.5.... and i can say that the true Responder units are substanially better than the lower priced Hornet type units.... ------------- Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979
Posted By: car_know_it_all
Date Posted: May 15, 2004 at 4:30 AM
profuse007 wrote:
well from experience, i learned that all viper/clifford/hornet/valet 2-ways have the same feature and function and the 554t's range is just as bad as all the other one.
if you want to kill ur wallet just for the "rebadge" products, then thats ur problem.
And what exactly would you go with profuse077? A Mongoose alarm? Maybe a Rhino...or maybe your car is only worth a Kmart auto section alarm system... they only cost 40 bux...and ya get what ya pay for.. my dad is a pro with hornets and other DEI stuff and yah i am here telling you that you cant get better than DEI.. im sure Kmart's el-cheapo alarm would last a lifetime and have better range then the alarms made by one of if not THE largest auto security company..pfft idiot ------------- MotorMan
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: May 15, 2004 at 7:44 PM
-man, i just hope someone here would take sometime to read teh proposed argument about DEI stuff. if yall look at the 550esp/hf and among others DEI units, you will see that all the feature in there are the same. the whole wiring havent change drastically.
-keerry then agree to my argument but disagree w/ the range. i know they have diff frequency, but have same features. thats why i said the range are just as bad as ther others ones.
-mr know it all- i dont know wehre you goin w/ it. i didnt say i dont like DEI products, cause i installed a whole obunch of it over the year as a hobby. my whole family own DEI products.
- i dont think DEI have the best range out of its predecessors. if youre to look at compustar, they have "spread spectrum technology" which are hella lot bettter than DEI.
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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
Posted By: car_know_it_all
Date Posted: May 16, 2004 at 12:25 AM
profuse007 wrote:
-man, i just hope someone here would take sometime to read teh proposed argument about DEI stuff. if yall look at the 550esp/hf and among others DEI units, you will see that all the feature in there are the same. the whole wiring havent change drastically.
-keerry then agree to my argument but disagree w/ the range. i know they have diff frequency, but have same features. thats why i said the range are just as bad as ther others ones.
-mr know it all- i dont know wehre you goin w/ it. i didnt say i dont like DEI products, cause i installed a whole obunch of it over the year as a hobby. my whole family own DEI products.
- i dont think DEI have the best range out of its predecessors. if youre to look at compustar, they have "spread spectrum technology" which are hella lot bettter than DEI.
And Compustar's website would be what...?
And Compustar sell how many alarms compared to DEI...?
And If I approached people in a shopping centre and asked teenagers if they have heard of "Compustar" or "Viper" or "Hornet" Im sure Compustar wouldn't be spoken except for maybe in the question "What the F**K is a compustar???"
I'd much rather a better known alarm. ------------- MotorMan
Posted By: profuse007
Date Posted: May 16, 2004 at 3:16 AM
am not gonna say anymore. am here to hang out to share my knowledge and learn from other installers, so ill keep my mouth shut and be civil.
i dont know how and why this 1/2 yr old thread was brought up, but lets forget about it.
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Houston,TX
"The two most common elements in the universe are H+ and stupidity" (Ellison).
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