remote start on a manual
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Forum Name: Car Security and Convenience
Forum Discription: Car Alarms, Keyless Entries, Remote Starters, Immobilizer Bypasses, Sensors, Door Locks, Window Modules, Heated Mirrors, Heated Seats, etc.
URL: https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp?tid=25873
Printed Date: May 13, 2024 at 11:16 PM
Topic: remote start on a manual
Posted By: HeathMac
Subject: remote start on a manual
Date Posted: February 04, 2004 at 10:21 PM
hello i am puting a remote start im my car and it is a stick, i would like to know how to override the clutch safety switch. any help would be great thank you
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Posted By: bobrosco
Date Posted: February 04, 2004 at 10:40 PM
You should use a standard 30A automotive relay to bypass the clutch. It depends on what type of car you have, but there should be at least 2 wires coming from the clutch pedal. When the clutch pedal is pressed, a switch closes the circuit between these two wires, and provides power to the starter motor. Sooo..... you need to identify the two wires, usually a basic Hayne's or Chilton's Repair manual will have the diagram for it and tell you what color they are. Then use a relay to bypass the switch at the pedal, closing the circuit and simulating a pushed clutch pedal. For help on the relay, check out the relay's section of the site: https://www.the12volt.com/relays/relays.asp And if you need more help, tell us what kind of car you have and the remote start brand and model.
Posted By: HeathMac
Date Posted: February 04, 2004 at 10:44 PM
thank you, you rock!
Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: February 06, 2004 at 6:23 PM
dont be stupid...think of what can happen if you leave the car in gear... I know I did once (well sh*t, more than once) , and caused about 1000 in damage to my car. what if some kid in the parking lot is walking infront of your car and the rs pins them... sorry to be such a bummer...do a search on this there have been 1.21 billion posts on why this is a stupid thing to do, even with the best intentions (I know I had em )
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: February 06, 2004 at 6:31 PM
I have several friends with the same story as above. If it isn't designed for remote start on manuals, then I suggest not just bypassing it. My Clifford alarm is designed for a manual, has been installed for 4 years now and I have never had a problem. If you already have the alarm, peripheral makes a great device to still get it to work. It is called the "Neutral Safety Switch" or NSS and works by monitoring the door pins. If a door is opened, it won't start. You will find it at the bottom of this link: https://peripheralelectronics.com/2002/security_bypasses.asp -------------
Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: February 06, 2004 at 6:43 PM
stephen, let me ask you, how does your clifford "know" that the car is not in gear? its been my experiance with manual specific RS's that they make you do the hokey pokey before the car is armed, so YOU make sure its in neutral. brake twice, key on off on, then arm etc... the idea being that if you do all that, you will be sure its in neutral... but never the clifford unit, and I was wondering how it "knows" your in neutral??
Posted By: bobrosco
Date Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:25 AM
Could you explain how the security bypass works in more detail. I don't understand how monitering the doors it could tell whether the tranny is in neutral. Thanks for the info.
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:44 AM
jgold47: When I am getting out of the vehicle and it is still running, I push a button on the remote. The alarm takes over the ignition portion so I can pull my key out. The engine is still running, and I am getting out of the car. This means that it would have to be in neutral. I close the door, arm the alarm and the vehicle's engine shuts down. If I disarm the alarm, it won't remote start just in case I accidently bumped it into gear. bobrosco: I must admit that I have yet to install one. But I have the unit at our shop. Here's the operation instructions listed in the manual, which I think will help you understand how it works: "To activate the NSS the car must be running with the e-brake off. Apply the e-brake Activate the remote car starters stop & go feature Remote the keys (the car should stay running) Exit the vehicle and close the door The NSS will shut off the engine The car is now ready to remote start The NSS will remain in "start mode" as long as no doors are opened on the vehicle. Once a door is opened the NSS will need to be reactivated." -------------
Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:51 AM
bingo...that makes perfect sense now....I appreciate you taking the time to explain it to me!!
Posted By: bobrosco
Date Posted: February 07, 2004 at 10:56 AM
Exactly what jgold47 said. Thanks for the explanation 
Posted By: rudbwoy69camaro
Date Posted: February 08, 2004 at 11:49 AM
Posted By: Topracer
Date Posted: February 08, 2004 at 7:57 PM
Steven Kephart wrote:
My Clifford alarm is designed for a manual, has been installed for 4 years now and I have never had a problem.
Steven - What model Clifford do you have? I am interested in adding something to my Cobra, but haven't had any luck finding it on Cliffords site. Thanks.
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: February 11, 2004 at 12:35 AM
Topracer wrote:
Steven - What model Clifford do you have? I am interested in adding something to my Cobra, but haven't had any luck finding it on Cliffords site. Thanks.
I have an old school Clifford Ace 7500. I bought it about 4 years ago when I worked at Circuit City. -------------
Posted By: S.I.Autosports
Date Posted: February 11, 2004 at 6:11 AM
I have seen people use a reed switch (used in home security) mounted to the shifter rod inside the console so that the two magnets only come in contact when in the neutral position. You can wire it to the hood safety switch.
Posted By: jgold47
Date Posted: February 11, 2004 at 6:42 AM
S.I.Autosports wrote:
I have seen people use a reed switch (used in home security) mounted to the shifter rod inside the console so that the two magnets only come in contact when in the neutral position. You can wire it to the hood safety switch.
that can work on some cars, it just depends on the layout of the console, etc...we have tried that on my old car (integra) and had no luck, I have also heard of trying that down at the linkage, etc.... but listen to my idea for a sec, I want your opinions.... 1 switch mounted by the shifter switched ground... other side goes to.... 2 relays, wired backwards of eachother, one normally open the other normally closed relay one 1. interrupts neutral saftey wire when open relay two interrups brake shutdown wire when closed. so....switch disconected or up.....NSW is conected, car can be remote started but brake shutdown is not active so you cant release the car...... switch connected....brake wire reconnects, allowing you to shut the rmote starter down, but the nsw is disconected so you cant remote start the car.... unless you flip the switch back the other way, which, if its by the sh*ter will undoubtedly be a reminder to put the car in neutral....what do you think???
Posted By: Steven Kephart
Date Posted: February 11, 2004 at 9:44 AM
S.I.Autosports wrote:
I have seen people use a reed switch (used in home security) mounted to the shifter rod inside the console so that the two magnets only come in contact when in the neutral position. You can wire it to the hood safety switch.
I have heard of that as well, but highly recomend against it. I used to work for Sonitrol installing alarms, and sometimes we used to have to replace those switches after a while. Their great for alarm triggers where if they fail, it just makes a lot of noise. But for this if it fails, it is much more serious. Just an FYI. -------------
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